Author Topic: LED vs. Plasma vs. LCD (Read 7184 times)

Tatsujin · « **on:** October 12, 2009, 10:49:59 PM »

So the new beast just hit the market .. I don't know how while ago, but I saw it yesterday and I checked it out. Seems like it has a very high contrast ratio and doesn't suck so much energy like Plasma or LCD's. But, that's all I know so far. What other features does LED's have? The differences between LED and Plasma/LCD and advantage/disadvantages?

fohfoh · « **Reply #1 on:** October 12, 2009, 10:57:19 PM »

I'm not entirely sure about this statement... but LEDs have a slight sharper contrast ratio than many mid level LCDs. However, higher end LCDs still have a higher contrast ratio. (Or something like that)

morrefule · « **Reply #2 on:** October 12, 2009, 11:52:13 PM »

Oh Tatsu you just opened can of pain.... HT is my thing so here is the rundown.

LCD TV's (ex Sony Z5100 or Samsung B650)
Pros

Great at handling well lit areas
Sharp detail for PC use

Cons

Unless they are matte Finnished they can Glare with lights at all angles

(LG and Sharp use matte)

pixelation of the picture do to motion flow (120/240hz help but do not fix the issue)
Color loss when viewed from angels greater than 35 degrees off center
Uses bulbs

LED Edge Lit (ex Samsung B6000)

Hi Dynamic Contrast Ratio
Large color gramet
very thin normally less than 1.5 inches
Low power usage

Cons

Starburst reflections with direct lighting
Color distortion with fast moving objects
Color bleeding between light and dark objects
Low Native Contrast Ratio

LED Backlit (LG LH90 or Samsung B8500)
Pro's

Local Dimming gives you Sharp detail contrast between whites and Blacks
Low Power consumption
Very accorate Motion flow
High Dynamic Contrast Ratio

Con's

Low Native Contrats Ratio (brand depending)
Uses Blubs to project the pictures
Normally uses the same amount of power as an LCD
Can Glare with direct lighting causing color loss

Plasma (Ex Panasonic S)
Pro's

Extreamly high Native contrast ratio giving you very accorate color
Local dimming
0 distrotion on fast moving objects
Darker Blacks which gives you a more Natural coloration to all objects
Smooter standard definition pictures with minimal blocking
No color loss even at extream angels
Excellent for Dim and Darker rooms

Con's

Uses lots of power (except all panasonic S models and above use about the same as an LCD)
Bad reflection issues with direct lighting can interfer with the picture
Very Heavey a 50" can weigh 100lbs
Can Not be laid down flat

In summery from best to worse...

Best picture ~ Plasma, LED Backlit, LED edge Lit, LCD
Best Value per dollar ~ Plasma, LCD, LED Edgelit, LED Backlit
Most Universal Usage ~ LED Backlit, LCD, LED Edgelit, Plasma
Power Usage ~ LED Edgelit, LED Backlit = LCD, MOST Plasmas

FYI ~ if you get a TV 37" or over, don't even think about traveling with it laid down, unless it is an LED edgelit, because You can SHIFT a pannel in an LCD and you will break the glass in a Plasma. I have seen this happen way too many times before.

Edit ~ fixed typo

sdedalus83 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 13, 2009, 01:38:00 AM »

Led backlit and sidelit displays are still lcd displays. Real led televisions are for all intents and purposes nonexistent.

Tatsujin · « **Reply #4 on:** October 13, 2009, 01:48:38 AM »

I'll just go with Plasma then. Most have 600Mhz which is pretty damn high.

morrefule · « **Reply #5 on:** October 13, 2009, 05:23:37 AM »

Plasma is my personal Preference on what is out there today. You may use more power, but you get the best picture by far. If you were to ask me I would go with the Panasonic TC-P50S1, It is a great 50" pannel, you can also get it in 42", 46", 54", 58" and for the willing the 65" Monster. And trust me if you ever decide to professionally calibrate it, that thing is SWEEEEEET~!

FYI ~ the 600hz ratio is made up of 10 subpannels running at 60hz each(60 x 10 = 600 individual refreshes). This is what allows you to get the fluid motion across the panel and assist with the local diming of the pannel.

fohfoh · « **Reply #6 on:** October 13, 2009, 05:30:57 AM »

Get a newer plasma. Technologies have made it so that burn in is much more difficult, so it isn't really an issue. But yes, the color is quite nice.

Back in the day though, they said that plasma vs lcd. Buy an LCD for a place that is "brighter" (like upstairs) buy a plasma for a darker area (like a basement theatre).

I dunno if this is still true.

morrefule · « **Reply #7 on:** October 13, 2009, 05:45:14 AM »

@fohfoh

Pretty much holds true today, But with the newer plasmas you can put them in a decently lit room, as long as there is no direct lighting on the TV you will not get a reflection. Side and front lighting have no effect on it, but rear lighting behind the viewer does. And it shows up as a reflection off the pannel.

Burn In is really non existent with most newer plasmas. That started pretty much last year, with all the Panasonic, Pioneer (RIP ~ a Sad day in HT history), and Samsung Plasmas.

relic2279 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 13, 2009, 06:33:22 AM »

Laser TV's are supposed to be superior in nearly everything from what I've read. They're now on the market too:
http://www.retrevo.com/s/Mitsubishi-L65-A90-TVs-review-manual/id/23039ag208/t/1-2/
http://www.tvsreview.com/projection-tv/mitsubishi-l65-a90-projection-tv-review/

Tad expensive though. Next time I upgrade my TV, I'll be getting one of those.

Tatsujin · « **Reply #9 on:** October 13, 2009, 10:30:33 AM »

Quote from: morrefule on October 13, 2009, 05:23:37 AM

Plasma is my personal Preference on what is out there today. You may use more power, but you get the best picture by far. If you were to ask me I would go with the Panasonic TC-P50S1, It is a great 50" pannel, you can also get it in 42", 46", 54", 58" and for the willing the 65" Monster. And trust me if you ever decide to professionally calibrate it, that thing is SWEEEEEET~!

FYI ~ the 600hz ratio is made up of 10 subpannels running at 60hz each(60 x 10 = 600 individual refreshes). This is what allows you to get the fluid motion across the panel and assist with the local diming of the pannel.

Avoiding Panasonic ...

LGs or Sonys.

Klocknov · « **Reply #10 on:** October 13, 2009, 10:43:01 AM »

You are forgetting about Samsungs there Tatsu...

Tatsujin · « **Reply #11 on:** October 13, 2009, 11:42:00 AM »

Quote from: Klocknov on October 13, 2009, 10:43:01 AM

You are forgetting about Samsungs there Tatsu...

Yup, that shit too. Not going to touch that.

K7IA · « **Reply #12 on:** October 13, 2009, 12:14:40 PM »

Quote from: Tatsujin on October 13, 2009, 11:42:00 AM

Quote from: Klocknov on October 13, 2009, 10:43:01 AM
You are forgetting about Samsungs there Tatsu...
Yup, that shit too. Not going to touch that.

One of my friends recently bought a Samsung LCD (had money and selected a good one) but had to replace it with a Sony due to an audio sync problem while watching (LG) DVD through an HDMI connection.

He replaced it just because the shop owner said the 1 sec delay (and increasing during play) was O.K. and Samsung was selling this model like chips

and the problem would be gone if he bought a Samsung DVD player.

But I don't know whether it would be right to say entire Samsung LCDs are faulty

Klocknov · « **Reply #13 on:** October 13, 2009, 12:22:11 PM »

@enginarc: A one second audio delay is horrible, and to have to match it with their products is not worth it. They make good displays for the most part, they just don't cut the par when you are looking for an all around great display.

K7IA · « **Reply #14 on:** October 13, 2009, 12:33:57 PM »

Quote from: Klocknov on October 13, 2009, 12:22:11 PM

@enginarc: A one second audio delay is horrible, and to have to match it with their products is not worth it. They make good displays for the most part, they just don't cut the par when you are looking for an all around great display.

yeah that was the case, the reason he bought it was because the image was brilliant, but the problem is some problems just pop-up when you use a product. He had to invite the technical service at his home and make them watch just to prove it. (seriously)

Klocknov · « **Reply #15 on:** October 13, 2009, 12:47:31 PM »

For picture Samsung is the leading group at the moment, but for the usage I notice that Sony and LG are doing way better. Samsung is like the current Hitachi.

morrefule · « **Reply #16 on:** October 13, 2009, 01:49:37 PM »

Quote from: relic2279 on October 13, 2009, 06:33:22 AM

Laser TV's are supposed to be superior in nearly everything from what I've read. They're now on the market too:
http://www.retrevo.com/s/Mitsubishi-L65-A90-TVs-review-manual/id/23039ag208/t/1-2/
http://www.tvsreview.com/projection-tv/mitsubishi-l65-a90-projection-tv-review/

Tad expensive though. Next time I upgrade my TV, I'll be getting one of those.

I can't wait for those things to hit market, I have seen 2 of them, and they are AMAZING!!

Quote from: Tatsujin on October 13, 2009, 10:30:33 AM

Avoiding Panasonic ...

LGs or Sonys.

Why are you avoiding Panasonic? If you are going for Plasma They are the #1 Plasma Manufacture in the World.

If you are going with an LG go with the LT90 LED Backlit. The thing is beautiful. Just use external speakers for it sometimes doesn't lip sinc very well. If you are looking at Sony the Z5100 is a great tv. A little pricy, but one of the best LCD"s out on the market outside of th XBR9 and Samsung B750. Check out the Sharp AQUOS LC-52D85U, It is a wonderful TV for the money. Geat color, and sharp detail and it uses a natural 120hz which gives it one of the better motion flows in LCD's.

fohfoh · « **Reply #17 on:** October 13, 2009, 03:12:51 PM »

If I had to compare LCDs...

Last year's Aquos' are superior to samsung.

This years samsungs are superior (slightly) to the current Aquos.

However, anything below a Series 5 is kind of crappy and the Aquos is still better. (as well as a few other brands)

Drew · « **Reply #18 on:** October 13, 2009, 06:23:05 PM »

Samsung > All.

Real men don't use built-in speakers anyway.

morrefule · « **Reply #19 on:** October 13, 2009, 07:15:27 PM »

Quote from: Drew on October 13, 2009, 06:23:05 PM

Samsung > All.

Real men don't use built-in speakers anyway.

Samsung comment = Fail
Speaker comment = Win