Author Topic: LED vs. Plasma vs. LCD (Read 7195 times)

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 13, 2009, 07:35:27 PM »

I work at sears

i recently went to this conference that samsung/panasonic/sharp/lg/sony were trowing. . .

what i learned:

-LGs have "invisible speakers" . . .they use the entire screen as a speaker with magnets.
-LGs are cheap cause they are made entirely by LG.
-Sharp thinks they're cool with they're overkill of color satuartion.
-Sharp's quality tests are pretty nice
-Sony didnt really say shit except "were sony. . .nuff said"
-Panasonic. . .well. . .I seriously cant think how fucked up the guy was. .. sayig "look at this plasma on a dark seen it uses less electricity than a regular LCD" (well yeah fuckhead! all the pixels are off)
-good thing bout panasionic --> they gave me a free 2gb sd card.
-Samsung. . .well they just introduced all theyre B seires (b600-8000) with LED edgelit. and theyr new camera with a front LCD display

good things bout LEDs:
-low power consumption (only sony's VE series can beat it. . .i believe)
-edgelits are pretty thin and light.
-they look amazing ,. . .incredible whites and blacks. . .altough as someone mentions theres like this gradient that forms between really bright/dark colors.
-hard to notice but as you get close to the center you have less light (cause its edgelit)
-they're the newest thing out there. . .customers just want to buy them cause of that.

plamas:
-greater image, they have pure black since they can actually shut down a pixel locally.
-bad thing?. . .they have crystal screen which means GLARE!
-customers are still thinking bout burnt ins and ghosting and lifetime. Plasmas have a higher lifetime now. many have "shifting pixels" which basically eliminiates burning and ghosting.
-more electrity. . .yeah thats true.
-600 mhz ?? thats kind of not true. . .that number is just an exageration (LG told us that),. . .he said its a fake number used for selling. Its actually equivalent to 120hz. . .prolly inbetween 120 and 240. . .the thing is that since its a plasma there are like layers or something. . .so
this is wrong but take it as an example:
10 layers @ 60hz = 600 hz

-ill have to recomend the best plasma ive seen is the Samsung 8 series. amazingly thin (like the LEDs). . .amazing graphics.

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comparing samsung to sony (i considre them the besT) .. .
-samsung has a better color gama
-sony has more greyish colors, tho if you're looking at people close ups, like interviews and such. . .the sony looks a lot more real while the samsung looks too pinkish.
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Quote from: morrefule on October 12, 2009, 11:52:13 PM

FYI ~ if you get a TV 37" or over, don't even think about traveling with it laid down, unless it is an LED edgelit, because You can SHIFT a pannel in an LCD and you will break the glass in a Plasma. I have seen this happen way too many times before.

Edit ~ fixed typo

as far as i know LCDs arent that fragile when it comes to laying them down. . .you can actually transport them in your trunk just there. . .

plasmas (since they use small gas tanks) when they are laid down the gas spills out and you have a ruined plasma tv that cannot be returned to your nearest sears store.

morrefule · « **Reply #21 on:** October 13, 2009, 09:02:18 PM »

Quote from: GoGeTa006 on October 13, 2009, 07:35:27 PM

Quote from: morrefule on October 12, 2009, 11:52:13 PM

FYI ~ if you get a TV 37" or over, don't even think about traveling with it laid down, unless it is an LED edgelit, because You can SHIFT a pannel in an LCD and you will break the glass in a Plasma. I have seen this happen way too many times before.

Edit ~ fixed typo

as far as i know LCDs arent that fragile when it comes to laying them down. . .you can actually transport them in your trunk just there. . .

plasmas (since they use small gas tanks) when they are laid down the gas spills out and you have a ruined plasma tv that cannot be returned to your nearest sears store.

Pretty much spot on with everything you said, and I agree. I will fight with you a bit on the laying of Large LCD's down flat though. Granted they are very well built and hard to bust, but laying it down for transportation in a vehical can cause pannel shift. This is where the actual LCD shifts on angle causing the image to be lopsided or bleed into the side of the screen. I have seen it happen on numerous occations. Normally with larger LCD's 46" and bigger, but I have seen it once on 37" LCD's. I do see a lot of Samsungs, but that's because they have the largest market share of the LCD market by far.

P.S. - don't you love the Sony Reps, and I talk about Fanboys.

LOL

fohfoh · « **Reply #22 on:** October 13, 2009, 09:19:45 PM »

In all honesty, the mid-range overlaps constantly between brands. Model X from company Y might be just as great as Model Y from company Z. However, the difference lies in the fact model X was built 2 years ago and now down priced, and model Y was built last year.

Sony isn't bad, but most time, their affordable TVs are usually something that was built several years ago to be higher end, and now the price is down because it only qualifies as mid class and people want to get rid of it. It's not the model is bad, but you're comparing a tv that was built 2-3 years ago with the specs of one built last year. (Same specs) guess what, the newer one is going to do a hell of a lot better than the old one. (It's going to be slightly cheaper too)

Regarding transportation... don't lay the fucking thing flat. There's so many more chances of you dropping something on it, or having something underneath that puts pressure on your screen that fucks it up ON TOP of the fact that it's not good for the components.

Tatsujin · « **Reply #23 on:** October 13, 2009, 10:57:28 PM »

Quote from: fohfoh on October 13, 2009, 09:19:45 PM

In all honesty, the mid-range overlaps constantly between brands. Model X from company Y might be just as great as Model Y from company Z. However, the difference lies in the fact model X was built 2 years ago and now down priced, and model Y was built last year.

Sony isn't bad, but most time, their affordable TVs are usually something that was built several years ago to be higher end, and now the price is down because it only qualifies as mid class and people want to get rid of it. It's not the model is bad, but you're comparing a tv that was built 2-3 years ago with the specs of one built last year. (Same specs) guess what, the newer one is going to do a hell of a lot better than the old one. (It's going to be slightly cheaper too)

Regarding transportation... don't lay the fucking thing flat. There's so many more chances of you dropping something on it, or having something underneath that puts pressure on your screen that fucks it up ON TOP of the fact that it's not good for the components.

Next year Sony's releasing a new Bravia that will have new features, and will have features that will only work with the PS3. PS3 is getting 3D technology around fall of 2010. So I'm debuting to wait till next year or purchase one in the upcoming months (holidays).

Viseroid · « **Reply #24 on:** October 13, 2009, 11:33:36 PM »

Reasonably priced LCD (~1300 USD) have contrast ratios that usually top off at 5000:1 (dynamic contrast is another story). A similarly priced plasma has a contrast ratio of 40000:1. However, there is the issue of the half life of plasma screens and etc. If you want a screen that is going to undergo extremely heavy use I'd get a LCD. However, you have no idea how beautiful deep black looks. Plasma is the one for me :).

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 14, 2009, 04:02:32 AM »

Quote from: Tatsujin on October 13, 2009, 10:57:28 PM

Quote from: fohfoh on October 13, 2009, 09:19:45 PM
In all honesty, the mid-range overlaps constantly between brands. Model X from company Y might be just as great as Model Y from company Z. However, the difference lies in the fact model X was built 2 years ago and now down priced, and model Y was built last year.

Sony isn't bad, but most time, their affordable TVs are usually something that was built several years ago to be higher end, and now the price is down because it only qualifies as mid class and people want to get rid of it. It's not the model is bad, but you're comparing a tv that was built 2-3 years ago with the specs of one built last year. (Same specs) guess what, the newer one is going to do a hell of a lot better than the old one. (It's going to be slightly cheaper too)

Regarding transportation... don't lay the fucking thing flat. There's so many more chances of you dropping something on it, or having something underneath that puts pressure on your screen that fucks it up ON TOP of the fact that it's not good for the components.
Next year Sony's releasing a new Bravia that will have new features, and will have features that will only work with the PS3. PS3 is getting 3D technology around fall of 2010. So I'm debuting to wait till next year or purchase one in the upcoming months (holidays).

yup. . .forgot to mention that DISH was also at that meeting. . .
they also promoting new LAN-HDMI cables that are "3d tv ready"

that makes me believe that 3dtv is closer than i tought. . .

Quote from: morrefule on October 13, 2009, 09:02:18 PM

Pretty much spot on with everything you said, and I agree. I will fight with you a bit on the laying of Large LCD's down flat though. Granted they are very well built and hard to bust, but laying it down for transportation in a vehical can cause pannel shift. This is where the actual LCD shifts on angle causing the image to be lopsided or bleed into the side of the screen. I have seen it happen on numerous occations. Normally with larger LCD's 46" and bigger, but I have seen it once on 37" LCD's. I do see a lot of Samsungs, but that's because they have the largest market share of the LCD market by far.

P.S. - don't you love the Sony Reps, and I talk about Fanboys. LOL

mmm really? . . .thats news to me then. . .ive sold some 55" samsungs and plenty of tvs over 46" and. . .well I dont go and load it into their cars but. . .from what i hear of their car descriptions they place it in the trunk. . .and i dont see any cars that can fit a vertical tv in the trunk.
mmmm news to me. . . IVe seen the plasmas ruined by that. . .but never LCDs

=== scenario 1 ===
-Hi sir how can i help you?
--yes. . .umm i will like to return this tv. . .it doesnt work
-oh really? what was wrong with it?
--ammm well the image doesnt work, the screen looks all weird
-ok let me go check (i cant just take it like that) . . .BINGO. . .the guy laid it horizontally
-amm sir ill call a manager. . . (and i just leave the manager to tell the customer thats a no-no)
and the customer just threw away 600-1200 dlls.

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relic2279 · « **Reply #26 on:** October 14, 2009, 04:18:30 AM »

Quote from: GoGeTa006 on October 14, 2009, 04:02:32 AM

they also promoting new LAN-HDMI cables that are "3d tv ready"
that makes me believe that 3dtv is closer than i tought. . .

Mitsubishi's HD laser TV is already 3D ready. And on sale. Expensive though. 5-6k

http://www.retrevo.com/search?q=Mitsubishi+L65-A90&rt=sp

morrefule · « **Reply #27 on:** October 14, 2009, 04:21:31 AM »

GoGeTa - If you want I got a really good story for you, PM me if you want to hear about a nice tv incident I had...

Quote from: relic2279 on October 14, 2009, 04:18:30 AM

Quote from: GoGeTa006 on October 14, 2009, 04:02:32 AM
they also promoting new LAN-HDMI cables that are "3d tv ready"
that makes me believe that 3dtv is closer than i tought. . .

Mitsubishi's HD laser TV is already 3D ready. And on sale. Expensive though. 5-6k

That TV is Nice too. I just don't like the Glasses. They are still a pain in the butt... But the TV is AMAZING! I saw it playing Ice Age 2, the Detail was spot on.

Klocknov · « **Reply #28 on:** October 14, 2009, 04:53:26 AM »

Forget wearing the glasses, who needs them! I can see 3d enough without, never noticed that I was missing much without the glasses compared to with.

kenshin-dono · « **Reply #29 on:** October 20, 2009, 03:57:20 AM »

http://www.avsforum.com/

your friend

one thing i will mentino about LED tvs. I heard there was some problem with some kinda paint flaking off the lights or something in the early models.. cant remember what brand it was. Im hoping thats fixed now?

I too am sad about Pioneer getting outa the plasma market. A new Kuro or whatever its succesor was was going to be my next tv but i guess thats not gonna happen now =( I agree with Morreful that Panasonic is one of the better plasmas out there now that pioneers gone. Not sure why youd avoid that

I mostly use my TV for gaming so next time im going to have to seriously hook both the ps3 and xbox up and play a lot of different games.

I need something next time around with NO input lag, and NO motion blur. It seems like a lot of DLPs and LCDs claim they have no motion blur, but in order to do that you have to activate motion blur features that add to input lag! thats fine for movies but for games its a HUGE no no. So your left with either input lag, or motion blur that gives you a headache with prolonged play >_<

Are plasmas really truly free of motion blur? I always assumed they were but never tested it. Zero input lags a must as well. I remember several LCD people claiming that the newer stuff has no discernible blur or lag for gaming, but i find that hard to believe. I remember a lot of people claiming certain models had none when i ws last looking for a tv and they definatly did. What a casual gamer considers lag vs what real lag is for hardcore games is very different i guess. I wish i could just use a computer monitor but they dont make them big enough =P Why have computer monitors been great for years as far as blur and delay but TV's are still so ass? i dont get it

oh ya, and everyone says burn ins kinda a thing of the past with plasmas but i was always wondering about something. If you watch a lot of 4:3 stuff on it (ps1 xbox1) isn't that still a problem? you got those black bars on the side afterall.

let us know what you finally settle on tats.

Honestly i think this whole 3d stuff is BS. The junk in theaters is exactly the same crap they had when i was a little kid, it hasnt' changed. I dont get why its so big, its just a friggin gimick. These suposed steroscopic 3d things seem like bunk to me as well

fohfoh · « **Reply #30 on:** October 20, 2009, 04:32:54 AM »

AFAIK my current plasma doesn't have much motion blur... but it's starting to show slightly with newer games. But then again, my plasma has been with us for like... 4 to 5 years now.

bloody000 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 20, 2009, 07:17:17 AM »

Hate input lag? Get a CRT then.
Input lag on digital displays is not going away anytime soon. probably never.

vuzedome · « **Reply #32 on:** October 20, 2009, 11:05:04 AM »

From what I learned through my friends' past experience with LG....
L.G. = Low.Grade.

kenshin-dono · « **Reply #33 on:** October 21, 2009, 12:17:17 AM »

Input lag is damn near non existant on some types of high end displays. My understanding is Plasmas are suposed to be good for it and LCD's when theyre made well (computer monitors have like none) Some are pretty bad though. I had an old samsung DLP that bugged me

and get real. CRTs are friggin dead

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 21, 2009, 12:48:11 AM »

sharp has a gaming mode.
the vyper drive or something like that!

In the conference they xplained that TV's have to process the image trough 2 processors before sending it to the monitor (or sopmething like that). . .this vyper drive skips both processors and just goes straight to the output.

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Sharp Aquos LC37GP1U 37" 1080p LCD Gaming HDTV
The 37" AQUOS LC37GP1U is a dream come true for game players. This is the first LCD-TV designed from the ground up to be optimized for today's state-of-the-art video games. The newly developed Vyper Drive game mode eliminates any perceptible lag between the video game and the TV. Side mounted terminals provide easy connections to games. A custom remote control includes an innovative "Game" button that quickly jumps into Vyper Drive and activates the side terminals. Six 1080p-compatible Terminals (3 HDMI, 2 component, 1 DVI-I) ensure the images from your new game console's 1080p outputs will be as clear as possible. Finally, the LC37GP1U incredible 6ms response time and 8500:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio, combined with Full HD 1080p resolution, provide the best picture quality money can Buy. The LC-37GP1U model includes special features that enhance the game-playing experience, including a "game mode" which optimizes the picture quality for game-playing and a custom-designed remote control that allows the user to quickly "jump" into the game mode and access the side-placed terminals for easy connections to video games. The game mode provides a newly developed "Vyper Drive" feature, which reduces lag time between the game console and the TV to be virtually imperceptible. This 37-inch panel boasts 8500: 1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio for deep blacks and crisp picture quality; enhanced Fine Motion video circuitry for faster pixel response time of 6ms; and wide viewing angles of 176 degrees, so users can view the television from virtually anywhere in the room. It also includes Sharp's proprietary 4-wavelength backlight system that provides a wider color spectrum to achieve deeper, more vivid reds than was previously possible. Additionally, the GP1U series include three HDMI inputs (with one on the side) as well as two HD component terminals (one on the side), all of which are compatible with 1080p signals from the latest video game devices. The LC-37GP1U features Full HD 1080p (1920 x 1080) resolution and 10Wx2 audio for an unparalleled high-definition viewing and listening experience.

* 37" FULL HDTV 1080p LCD-TV For Gamers
* 8,500:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio
* Special "Vyper Drive" Game Mode Reduces Lag Time
* Side Terminals for Easy Game Connections
* Custom Remote Control with "Game" Access Button

morrefule · « **Reply #35 on:** October 21, 2009, 02:14:24 AM »

I love Sharp. the Vyper Drive is pretty notch. But if I ever decided to for some rediculously odd reason to buy an LCD or LED at the moment. I'd buy a sharp. They are like looking through a window, and don't oversturate colors, which messes with my eyes lol

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #36 on:** October 21, 2009, 04:13:47 AM »

Quote from: morrefule on October 21, 2009, 02:14:24 AM

I love Sharp. the Vyper Drive is pretty notch. But if I ever decided to for some rediculously odd reason to buy an LCD or LED at the moment. I'd buy a sharp. They are like looking through a window, and don't oversturate colors, which messes with my eyes lol

you're crazy man! The sharp aquos I have behind the register looks unreal! it looks like they completely over-saturated colors that really LOOKS PRETTY but looks like extremely unreal. (i mean extremely). . .

morrefule · « **Reply #37 on:** October 21, 2009, 04:19:07 AM »

What sharp do you have back there...? Normally sharps have a really natural color and a matte finish which gives them great color and detail. Unless someone decides to set them on Vivid. then they look like total shit

I love the 65U and 85U series. they are spot on.

Proin Drakenzol · « **Reply #38 on:** October 21, 2009, 05:04:19 AM »

I love my Sharp TV.

I hope it's okay by itself in my room.

I miss you 42" LCD TV. You're so much better than the shitty little 12" CRT TV we have in my shop.

ratfire666 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 21, 2009, 05:08:51 AM »

My new 23" LG LCD monitor is pretty nifty not because of the great color display or shiny design, but its really because of the power button, display source (VGA,DVI and HDMI), & menu are non existant. Instead theyre touch buttons like in a touchscreen monitor. You touch the power icon to turn the monitor on.

Got it for 230 at Frys.