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sams88:

--- Quote from: Bob2004 on April 30, 2013, 02:16:05 PM --- (click to show/hide)Number 4 got me, too. If they'd just said "You nearly fucking killed us all, you idiot!" he'd probably understand why they were so angry at him, and everything would have been absolutely fine.

Also, number 1. Did the third impact actually happen? I thought it was started, then it was averted when Kaoru stabbed EVA-01 with that spear at the end of the second film. So Shinji caused the third impact, but it was averted before it killed everyone, and thus became known as the near-third impact. At least, that was the impression I had. All the damage to NERV HQ and New Tokyo 3 was caused by the angel Shinji was trying to rescue Rei from, before the near-third impact even happened. I distinctly remember the city all collapsing into the Geofront, or whatever they call that cavern, and the pyramid thing NERV used as its HQ being totally obliterated, at least.

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(click to show/hide)I remember the Spear was sent stuck in the moon because they used it Javelin style to destroy an Angel that was on orbit, I remember this from the show. As for the Third Impact thing does movie 2.22 include Seele attacking Nerve HQ ? Maybe that would explain some of the casualties, but then it wouldn't be Shinji fault.

flimsypeanut:
(click to show/hide)I think Third Impact DID happen, but it's separate from Shinji's Near-Third Impact. There's two distinct events, and I think between 2.22 and 3.33 Gendou managed to create the Third Impact. Because think about it, if there was only a NEAR-Third Impact, the one with Kaworu and Unit 13 wouldn't be called Fourth Impact right? And also, only Lilith's corpse exists now, which means that some Angel or a part of Adam reached Lilith and killed her, just like in EoE when big Rei got used to create the Third Impact and died in the process. Something like that?

I think Eva 01 was probably sealed by Kaworu in 2.22 when Kaworu got sent by SEELE, and the key point is the spear he used. Kaworu I think used Cassius and the one already used to keep Lilith in submission was Longinus. He assumed that Cassius and Longinus were both used on Lilith's body to create the Third Impact, but apparently two Longinus lances were used, just like in EoE, which meant that Cassius was still available for another Impact. I don't know though, this is all guesswork.

11. How does Ikari Gendou benefit from creating more and more Impacts? He is trying to complete Instrumentality by joining Adam to Lilith, but Lilith's body is dead, and the only soul of Lilith left is in Eva 01. Is he trying to save Cassius to use on Eva 01 to remake humanity and kill God?

jaybug:
Ya know, I'm not sure if I want to even try to watch these movies now. It seems like it's all the series all over again, but different. No unanswered questions are answered. Blargh!

flimsypeanut:
(click to show/hide)Whoa I think after some deep thought, and some reading of the manga, I think I understand a few points about Eva 3.33 that I think people might be interested in.

1) Unit 01 + Shinji's very strong emotions = Impacts! This was shown in Eva 2.0, the manga version, where Shinji tries to defend Asuka and gets desperate so he starts getting his Synchro rate up to 250%, and then, BAM! Third impact. In 2.0, save Ayanami for sheer emotional reasons, and BAM! Third Impact.
2) SEELE's scenario of Third Impact: unified souls into Chamber of Guf, resulting in Instrumentality for all of mankind. Materials: Eva 01 + emotional Shinji OR angel + Lilith.

3) Gendou's scenario: screw being child of God, I'm going to become God, so that I will never lose anything again, and I'll see Yui. Materials: First Angel + Second Angel = perfect being because of the Two Seeds of Life being combined into one, OR Eva 01 (Lilith's soul is inside) + Adam. If he does this, the Chamber of Guf will be able to return Yui, whereas in SEELE's scenario, it won't be the case.

4) In 3.33 particularly, Shinji did not create Third Impact, but rather awakened the Eva, and Third Impact was created afterwards using the awakened Eva, and then Eva was sent into space. I say this because Shinji was fighting on the Geofront and so the Near-Third Impact occurred on the Geofront, but the Third Impact's epicenter was said to have occurred in Terminal Dogma, where the dead Lilith was shown. I think Gendou created an imperfect form of Third Impact in Terminal Dogma using the awakened Eva 01 (imperfect because Misato and Asuka and the rest survived - also another reason why Shinji didn't cause Third Impact: they would have died instantly), and in order to prevent Gendou from using Eva 01 to create Fourth Impact, they captured it from space.

5) The two spears belong to Adam and Lilith. Longinus for Lilith and Cassius for Adam, and so each is required to bring about the Impacts if they use Adam or Lilith. But when Shinji and Kaworu go down to retrieve both and PREVENT Fourth Impact, they realize that they don't see both of them, which means that were Fourth Impact launched again, they couldn't stop it because Gendou has stowed away the other one. And also, emotional Shinji + awakened Unit 13 + Longinus lance = disaster, so then Kaworu dies to cut off half the power for Unit 13.

If there's anything wrong, lemme know. I wanna figure this shit out.

vuzedome:
So the manga version had more intricate details? Alright, that's where I'm heading next to figure this out as well.

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