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Re: New HDD RAPTOR. 1st time.
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2009, 03:05:33 AM »
Been using 750gig Caviar Blacks since I put together my last system.  No problems whatsoever and the speed is worth it.  But if I did more research, probably would have spent more for the 1TB.  Reason is that they use denser platters, which gives a slight performance increase  .. 1ms?  Well, they were sold out anyways.

But if already have a system full of green drives, I still think the Raptor is a viable option for a substantial speed increase.  If using it just for the OS and some apps, you really don't need it that big.  Because if happen to get a much larger one, probably will end up filling it with junk, defeating the purpose of having a clean efficient OS drive.

Unless SSDs changed the last few months, I'd wait on them.  Their performance is of the future, but I wonder if it's worth the extra maintenance.  Firmware upgrades requiring another bootable OS to install, plus need to back up the data each time.  Performance drops as it gets filled....but just deleting doesn't work so well.  And many reports of people not getting the full potential out of them, unless with constant tweaking and maintenance...and some just can't seem to get it to work optimally.  They are the best if want the cutting edge.

But with a Raptor you just connect and forget.  And as an OS drive, might have to do a defrag once in a blue moon.

SSDs are the way of the future, but for now they still have their problems. Raptors are becoming less and less attractive for some people these days, with regular consumer drives getting pretty damn fast. Though their RAT is still something to note. They're also NOISY.

Like I said, a Caviar black and shortstroke it.
For people who like numbers, quick google turns up...:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/short-stroking-hdd,2157-2.html
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=328561

Comparing 1.5TB/2TB drives and 1TB and under drives is like comparing apples to oranges. Lots of storage but slow, or not a lot of storage but fast. Pick one.

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Re: New HDD RAPTOR. 1st time.
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2009, 03:41:47 AM »
Intel finally got TRIM support on their 34nm X-25 series (labelled with the G2 suffix), so I went and got myself an 80GB X-25M G2 :D (~250USD total including shipping to Asia)

It's still in the mail somewhere, and I'm in no hurry to receive it since I'm too busy to have much time to play with it, but I hope it performs as well as what I've been reading in reviews. There won't be much data on it anyway (how much anime can you put on an 80GB disk?), I have an NAS for that, and I have regular backups so data integrity is not an issue.

For raw data throughput, a Raptor is not going to lose to an SSD by any significant margin. Where SSDs really shine are when it comes to access times and random read/write operations. If you've been doing fine so far with a platter-based HDD, you're not going to lose out by buying a Raptor (you still get a speed increase anyway, just less of an increase in some aspects as compared to an SSD); it all depends on what you're looking for in a drive, I guess.

I had other reasons for getting the X25 as well; silence and mechanical robustness, among other things. Hopefully lower temperatures as well. But most importantly, the price finally fell enough for me to take the leap (I had been waiting for the price to drop below 250USD). Newegg stocks it for $289, but I found it cheaper elsewhere; it was selling for $10 more than the WD Raptor 300GB on Newegg ;)

Actually, I have been waiting on SSDs for quite some time too. Early reports of slowing performance, bugged controllers that were optimised for sequential throughput but not random read/write, as well as the crazy price, put me off them (although always with an eye out for news). With the release of the Intel X-25M G2, I felt it was finally time to leap. Much progress has been made with SSD drives this year, and most opinions (from my own reading) agree that the Intel drives are the best overall, followed closely by the Indilinx-based drives (OCZ, Patriot, SuperTalent etc).

TRIM (i.e. SSD cleanup) is still not fully supported in software just yet (Windows 7 and Linux already have OS support for it though) so for most people it might not be time to leap yet, but at least firmware-wise the Intel X25-M G2 already has it. Some of the Indilinx drives implement it in an OS-independent manner, with the controller self-cleaning when idle; this has its advantages and disadvantages.

Personally I'm looking towards setups with more SSDs for system OS and files, and a bunch of WD Caviar Greens or similar low-powered drives for multi-terabyte network storage (once you go beyond 10 drives, spinup current becomes a factor for consideration). I might get a few performance-oriented platter-drives for holding huge files that I'm working with (going to start happening more often, with renders, photography and possibly some encoding involved in my projects list), but otherwise I won't have as much need for them.

Just think of it the same way we think of multi-level caches in memory ;)
L1&L2 cache <--> SSDs
Main system RAM <--> HDDs

They each have their advantages and shortcomings, pick whichever fits your needs (or budget) better.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2009, 05:19:47 AM by kureshii »

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Re: New HDD RAPTOR. 1st time.
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2009, 04:36:13 AM »
An SSD probably is a hell of a lot more fun in a laptop than a desktop though. That's just my guess.

Sure you can slam them in some server setup thing... but in all honesty... you have an e-penor for a week and then get bored.

In a laptop, you continually are reminded at school of how great it is. KEKEKEKE battery life + KEKEKEKE! Boot up time! KEKEKEKEKE! Instant applications so I don't wait a good 12 seconds to begin writing notes in my 20 page long doc. etc.
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Re: New HDD RAPTOR. 1st time.
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2009, 05:10:46 AM »
Yeah, definitely, although I'd rather put it in a desktop; most of the heavy multitasking I do that puts the strain on the system would be done on a dual/triple-monitor setup, which is best managed with a desktop. I am thinking about putting another one in the laptop, although that really depends on how willing I am to shell out another $200 for an OCZ Vertex 60GB... ($130 for the 30GB version).

Opening apps near-instantly is a big win on any laptop though. I don't notice startup time much since I only ever put it in standby; If I reboot it or shutdown I do so when going for a coffee break or when going to sleep. And I'm not nearly mobile enough to notice my pathetic battery lifetime anymore (damn Li-ion battery technology...)

Anything gets old after a week, really. Once I get accustomed to the SSD I'll be raging about platter-based HDD bootup times xD
It's amazing how quickly we get used to nice things, I remember looking at my 24" LCD the second day after I bought it and already it felt like it had been there for a month...
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Re: New HDD RAPTOR. 1st time.
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2009, 12:18:46 PM »
Sure you can slam them in some server setup thing... but in all honesty... you have an e-penor for a week and then get bored.

Tell that to Myspace  :D

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Re: New HDD RAPTOR. 1st time.
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2009, 02:52:31 PM »
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Many datacenters have huge tracts of unused floor space, because their power systems reach capacity long before they run out of racks. In reducing the amount of hardware in MySpace's datacenter by 50 percent, SSD has just made this problem that much worse.

Seems here like they should have spent that massive amount of money on something more power related than to upgrade past everyone else..
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