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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2009, 07:40:45 PM »
I only checked this thread because of the e-mail of the report I got. In Chiyachan's defense, I see nothing I'd consider to be rude or inappropriate.

As for CCS in 1080p, eww. Even if it did exist (or does in upscales) I doubt it would look good at all. It's not a show that would benefit from having 1080p remasters or upscales. It's fine in 720p

As already linked, Sakura-Sanctuary has released episode 1 BD. KAA has also released the first 2 episodes and are moving extremely slow at it. Hopefully Sakura will be able to release a little faster than KAA.

I doubt u watched alot of anime in 1080p quality but I can't judge that without knowing for sure.
Some examples that generate great substantial quality changes includes gundam 00, code geass R1 and R2, full metal panic, and even snow white. 
Plainly speaking, it's fine to have better quality for shows that were made in 1998.

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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2009, 08:41:00 PM »
http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss267/ClassickxD/cardcaptorsakura1080p1.png

Finally, I've finished downloading the 480p version with the english subtitles and mux it together to give a great 1080p quality with the subtitles. It's shown in a better example with this picture. I didn't have time to change the resolution in the photo on my laptop. People that want to see it in better quality should change their monitors to 1440x900 pixels.
Actually, you should take the screenshot at the video's native resolution.  If you're scaling it with software, then us rescaling it back to its original resolution isn't going to be an accurate representation.
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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2009, 09:00:42 PM »
http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss267/ClassickxD/cardcaptorsakura1080p-1.jpg

I've changed my laptop resolution to 1360x768 to give the best video's native resolution for my 1440x1080p video. The native resolution should be really close to the quality the 1080p video can give.

EDIT: I'm having a little problem remuxing my 2 versions of cardcaptors. I combined both versions of text for episode 1 and it worked well but tried doing the same thing with episode 2 and the voice was out of sync with the 1080p verison. Need some help please.
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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2009, 10:11:37 PM »
Stop using VLC, or try using the screenshot feature that is *in* VLC. If that doesn't work(or is giving you the above results), then use Media Player Classic and use the same image function in the File menu, which will give you a pixel perfect image.

If you want to re-sync subs, you can use Aegisub. I'm not sure if there is a smaller program you can use for that.

Remember when you resync the subs, you have to account for lead-in and lead out (which is already there) and try to make sure there are no scene bleeds.
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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2009, 12:21:18 AM »
Someone explain to me why it makes sense to watch 1440x1080 at 1360x768. If you're going to watch a 1440x1080 video, you should really watch it at its resolution of 1440x1080. Now it's just being downscaled (and it doesn't even look all that good to me). If it looks best at 1360x768, then it's really not much better than the 720p version... and gives people the false impression that it actually looks good at 1440x1080
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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2009, 01:07:30 AM »
I only checked this thread because of the e-mail of the report I got. In Chiyachan's defense, I see nothing I'd consider to be rude or inappropriate.

As for CCS in 1080p, eww. Even if it did exist (or does in upscales) I doubt it would look good at all. It's not a show that would benefit from having 1080p remasters or upscales. It's fine in 720p

As already linked, Sakura-Sanctuary has released episode 1 BD. KAA has also released the first 2 episodes and are moving extremely slow at it. Hopefully Sakura will be able to release a little faster than KAA.

I doubt u watched alot of anime in 1080p quality but I can't judge that without knowing for sure.
Some examples that generate great substantial quality changes includes gundam 00, code geass R1 and R2, full metal panic, and even snow white.  
Plainly speaking, it's fine to have better quality for shows that were made in 1998.

I've seen enough anime in 1080p to know which series can probably benefit from having it and which don't. Your examples of Gundam 00 and Code Geass are kind of pointless considering they had HD releases from the start (R2 did anyway). A series has the potential of looking better upscaled to 1080p if it's coming from a 720p source rather than if it's coming from an outdated DVD source, or an upscaled BD release which I'm pretty sure Full Metal Panic was (I could be wrong though...they may have remastered it for the BD release).

I don't have to watch 1080p anime anyway to be able to tell that going by the screenshots you've posted so far, they are pretty bad looking. I'll agree it's fine to have better quality versions of old shows such as Cardcaptor Sakura, but the keyword there is BETTER quality. Just taking Cardcaptor Sakura and making upscaling it to a better resolution doesn't mean it is going to be better quality, which I don't think your 1080p upscales are. I think KAA's 720p BD rips trump them by far.

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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2009, 01:37:50 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution

According to the wikipedia page talking about Display resolution,"accepting a 1920×1080 input on a display with a native 1366×768 pixel array"
would require your resolution to be changed according what benefits the actual size. Not everyone that has a computer can get a monitor that can display
1080p videos on the best scale. Scaling down to the native pixel would give the true graphics of the video.




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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2009, 01:44:44 AM »
I mildly disagree, although the screenshots doesn't provide an adequate view for the video itself, it surely shows that theres a version of cardcaptor sakura which I surely but truely proved my point. Also taking screenshots from a laptop that can only have a resolution of 1440 x 900 potentially limits the graphic capability the video can show. I got the download from another legitimate website but I'm sure it's been tested to be a passing grade for it to be uploaded on torrent.

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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2009, 01:46:14 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p

Link the right article next time. Who cares what your screen resolution is; we want the image at source resolution, i.e. 1440x1080. We want to know what the image will look like on a screen that can display the image at its native resolution, and not downscaled to a monitor that cannot.

If you want to offer an encode for smaller monitors, make a downscaled SD version (like Dragon80 does). Don't make a 1080p offer, it looks terrible.

And no, if it looks terrible downscaled, I don't think it'll look much better at native resolution.
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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2009, 01:51:26 AM »
Surely the video would look better at 1440x1080 source resolution but I can't tested it without a 19" monitor or greater. It's also quite fine seeing an anime at 1080p with downscaled resolution since it doesn't affect the quality tremendously.

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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2009, 01:58:11 AM »
You can take screenshots of 1080p videos in its native resolution. namaiki outlined the process for you already.
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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2009, 02:11:27 AM »
http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss267/ClassickxD/CardcaptorSakura1.jpg

I got the screenshot using MPC and is in jpg format.

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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2009, 02:23:55 AM »
Please stop failing.
1) Don't use jpg. Use png because it's going to look like crap on jpg so it doesn't even help your case
2) The fact is that just because YOU can't display 1440x1080 in its full glory, doesn't mean that OTHERS won't watch it at 1440x1080. If it looks TERRIBLE at 1440x1080, then it's useless because it's going to look TERRIBLE to those who can display at 1440x1080. They aren't going to downscale it.
3) Even the screenshots that you took that are downscaled don't look all that good
4) Please stop failing.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2009, 02:26:32 AM by Nazo »

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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2009, 02:29:03 AM »
Do you get what your saying? No one on this forum has a copy of cardcaptor sakura in 1080p that means I wouldn't care if any would want to watch it because they don't have a copy. Second, photobucket changes all png pictures to jpg. Can you please stop complaining if you're not planning to help. You fail for not doing anything to solve this issue.
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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2009, 02:32:24 AM »
Then don't use photobucket. There are other sites that allow png.
Also, you don't understand that we want to see it at 1440x1080. It doesn't matter what your resolution is. If we can't see it at 1440x1080 then we can't tell how good the video is.
If it looks crap at 1440x1080 then we don't want it. Just because a video is at 1440x1080, it doesn't mean that it wasn't upscaled from something a lot smaller in the first place and that some of those pixels are just made up.

Edit:
Photobucket does allow png (i'm using a free account so it should work for anyone)... so I have no idea what you're talking about.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y149/MoyaNoKaze/TsubasaFan.png

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If it looks good we'll take it, but if it doesn't, then we won't and there's no point in wasting people's time if it looks bad.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2009, 02:41:59 AM by Nazo »

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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2009, 02:48:45 AM »
http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss267/ClassickxD/cardcaptorsakura11080p-1.png

What are you talking about? Please learn to read from the beginning.
I told u, I can't give u my word on how good the photo turns out unless I have a 19" monitor and that which I don't. The best I can do is load another photo in png format.


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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2009, 03:02:23 AM »
Nevermind. Forget it since you're not really reading all of what I'm saying and this whole thread is a lost cause anyway.

Here's the thing:
If you're just going to remux it yourself and not offer it here, then by all means go ahead and do it. Base on all your screenshots, it was like you wanted to either prove that it was good quality at 1440x1080 in preparation of offering it after doing muxing. That might be where any misunderstanding began. But since you can't even do a screenshot at 1440x1080 then it's a moot point.
If you do want to upload it here, assuming that you mux it in properly, we'd need actual screenshots at 1440x1080 or else it's pointless. That is all. If you don't want to... then that saves us the trouble of dealing with this any further.
Also, pay attention to namaiki's advice when it comes to muxing subs in. The rest is manual work of any shifting of subs due to videos not being exactly the same length.

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But seriously, realize that just because there is a video out there at 1080p, it doesn't mean that it SHOULD be at 1080p. To take an extreme case, I could take a 160x90 video and stretch it to 1080p but that doesn't mean it's better at 1080p. And some people on the internet are stupid enough to upscale when they shouldn't and/or suck at encoding so, again, just because a 1080p exists out there (and it's not real 1080p since it's fullscreen anyway) doesn't mean it should. Also, if you can't even display at 1080p then don't even try to take screenshots that are smaller since it can't show it in full glory and are virtually useless. And nice excuse on photobucket there. ::)
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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2009, 03:06:27 AM »
Sigh... look, we know there are bluray rips of CCS floating out there on the internet. There have been, for some time too. The problem is, we don't know what they look like. An offer was made for it sometime back, and it was rejected because, simply put, it looks horrible (at 1080p). So we made the decision to wait for a fansub group to encode and retime it (if necessary), trusting that said fansub group knows what to do with the bluray raws (of course, we will wait for screenshots of the actual encodes to see).

The screenshots look decent at 1024x768. Great, so they're about DVD-quality at 1024x768... which would be dandy if you're offering it a 1024x768 encode. But you're not. So we don't know what it actually looks like at 1080p, and without knowing that we cannot, on our conscience, make further judgement. Pretty much any bluray rip will look at least decent at 1024x768 resolution (if it doesn't look good even at XGA resolution... let's not think about that). That's not enough to say it looks good at 1080p though.

tl;dr, show us images at the source resolution, or this request will not even be considered. It's alright if you can't view the full image at native resolution, because some of us can, and we want to know what it looks like then. Until we've seen a good 1080p screenshot, we remain unconvinced that a 1080p should be allowed.
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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2009, 03:16:17 AM »
http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss267/ClassickxD/cardcaptorsakura11080p1.png
http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss267/ClassickxD/vlcsnap-2009-10-24-00h22m17s151.png

@Nazo - The photos I showed on photobucket was the real image I shot using the ability of the screenshot view in MPC. You cant get a picture perfect photo with 1440 x 900 resolution on a laptop.
EDIT: You're a lost cause for just plainly stating "I just started using photobucket and had no idea it cant handle jpg images."

@kureshii - As I said before, I read namaiki's post and I did what It was instructed. My laptop resolution can only go up to 1440 x 900 pixels.
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Re: Cardcaptor Sakura
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2009, 03:21:46 AM »
Ah, I see... I forgot that Photobucket resizes images to keep within 1MB filesize (or within whatever resolution you choose, which certainly doesn't go up to 1080p).

Try uploading it on Imageshack. You won't need an account to do so.