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Mikan

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Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« on: October 31, 2009, 03:19:17 AM »
Argh! So, Im going to dual boot, off a External. If possible Windows on my primaryHDD and a linux system (Ubuntu) on a 250g IDE... teeny issue with that though, I will be using ubuntu for just music & video and working on internet. any other OS thats better for that? I heard ubuntu/Linux is awesome and isnt heavy on the cpu.

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2009, 03:22:14 AM »
Go use a Mac if you won't learn how to use Linux.

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2009, 03:29:07 AM »
In terms of community support, prepackaged software, and ease of use, Ubuntu is your best option.
Another option you might want to consider is to make a persistent live flash drive.  It saves all your settings, can have new applications installed, and will run pretty well while also giving you the ability to boot from pretty much any relatively modern x86 machine.
Check out http://www.pendrivelinux.com/create-a-ubuntu-9-10-live-usb-from-cd/

You could also set it up the same way on a small partition of your external drive and keep the rest available as storage for both operating systems.

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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2009, 03:34:32 AM »
Go use a Mac if you won't learn how to use Linux.

My Macbook confuses me to no end... Even tho Ive had it for, 5 months so far. So! I shall learn how to use Linux  ;)

@sdedalus83, Im going to try that see how it works

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2009, 03:44:55 AM »
Argh! So, Im going to dual boot, off a External. If possible Windows on my primaryHDD and a linux system (Ubuntu) on a 250g IDE... teeny issue with that though, I will be using ubuntu for just music & video and working on internet. any other OS thats better for that? I heard ubuntu/Linux is awesome and isnt heavy on the cpu.
That's odd, since to my knowledge Windows is still the most user-friendly OS for multimedia playback and gaming. Also, with regards to CPU usage, I doubt there will be too much difference between Ubuntu and Windows 7; W7 has been optimised for power consumption and shouldn't be as taxing on a computer system as Vista was. And Ubuntu not being CPU-heavy is a myth; it all depends on how you use it. If you decide to go and enable most of the Compiz effects and basically use Ubuntu the way many people use Windows, it is just as CPU-heavy. That said, if you finally decide to try out Linux, more power to you.

On a final note, I am going to strongly discourage you against booting off an external drive. If it's a thin system like Puppy Linux or DSL (Damn Small Linux), perhaps it's not such a major issue. A fully featured Linux distro like Ubuntu is going to have many more files than a thin system, all of which will be accessed in quite a random manner. This means that the higher latency of an external drive is going to severely impact your experience, especially when accessed over USB.

I'd suggest getting a speedy 8-16GB flash drive (i.e. thumbdrive) for the OS and your applications, and perhaps another external (the 250GB IDE drive) for larger files and documents. The lower latency of Flash should help things out quite a bit (still won't be as speedy as a native internal install though), and you won't be crippled by the small storage space of a thumb drive.

You're free to go ahead and boot off the IDE, of course, just wanted to make sure you're aware that it may be much slower than you wished.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2009, 03:48:09 AM by kureshii »

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2009, 03:50:03 AM »
Argh! So, Im going to dual boot, off a External. If possible Windows on my primaryHDD and a linux system (Ubuntu) on a 250g IDE... teeny issue with that though, I will be using ubuntu for just music & video and working on internet. any other OS thats better for that? I heard ubuntu/Linux is awesome and isnt heavy on the cpu.
That's odd, since to my knowledge Windows is still the most user-friendly OS for multimedia playback and gaming. Also, with regards to CPU usage, I doubt there will be too much difference between Ubuntu and Windows 7; W7 has been optimised for power consumption and shouldn't be as taxing on a computer system as Vista was.

On a final note, I am going to strongly discourage you against booting off an external drive. If it's a thin system like Puppy Linux or DSL (Damn Small Linux), perhaps it's not such a major issue. A fully featured Linux distro like Ubuntu is going to have many more files than a thin system, all of which will be accessed randomly. this means that the higher latency of an external drive is going to severely impact your experience, especially when accessed over USB.

I'd suggest getting a speedy 8-16GB flash drive (i.e. thumbdrive) for the OS and your applications, and perhaps another external (the 250GB IDE drive) for larger files and documents. The lower latency of Flash should help things out quite a bit (still won't be as speedy as a native internal install though), and you won't be crippled by the small storage space of a thumb drive.

You're free to go ahead and boot off the IDE, of course, just wanted to make sure you're aware that it may be much slower than you wished.

If Ubuntu and W7 arent that different, Im still going to go with Ubuntu, because... Windows 7 kept hanging on me therefore I downgraded to XP again. If thats the case I suppose I will just dual boot and store all my files on the external.

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2009, 05:05:03 AM »
Just dual boot on the same HDD. It's not hard. Never use the windows install until necessary. Randomly open it to update or w/e if necessary. If you have a 300 GB HDD, 20 for linux, 25 for windows (maybe as a buffer) then have 250GB fat32 or something that can be accessed by both sides.

Or if really necessary. Use your SD card slot, stick in a crappy SD and then load linux on it.
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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2009, 05:23:18 AM »
My hdd is 160.

2.5 SATA

(sucktop)

im cleaning out my pc to make a good sized partition.

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2009, 06:17:42 AM »
Linux will probably be more efficient with space. Windows just flops out everywhere it sees free space.

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2009, 08:29:53 AM »
Also another thing to check out is MINT. its a well polished distro like ubuntu.

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2009, 02:15:50 PM »
Go use a Mac if you won't learn how to use Linux.

My Macbook confuses me to no end... Even tho Ive had it for, 5 months so far. So! I shall learn how to use Linux  ;)
If OSX confuses you....I don't see you fairing much better with Linux

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2009, 04:05:38 PM »
Under no circumstance would I recommend running Ubuntu, or any other Linux from a flash drive of any type. Flash drives are good for seek-times, and small transfers. This makes them good for stuff like paging, but they still suck for running the OS and applications as they fail miserably compared to a regular HDD.

If you want the best experience from both, partition your HDD and dual-boot proper ;) and don't try that Windows install method for Ubuntu. :P

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2009, 04:16:02 PM »
I tried installing and also just loading Ubuntu from a DVD where I had just burned the image file I had downloaded from the official website. Nothing worked. I would choose "install" or "just run without any effect on your computer". The DVD would run for maybe 5 minutes and then go silent while nothing happened on the screen for those 5 minutes.. I installed Win7 again. The only reason I tried to do so was that my math teacher praised Ubuntu as being the closest Linux alternative to Windows XP. I gave it a go.. meh... does anyone know what went wrong? Should I just have let it run further?

Sorry for "stealing your topic", Mikan. :P
« Last Edit: October 31, 2009, 04:50:32 PM by Takeshi »

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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2009, 04:18:45 PM »
I tried installing and also just loading Ubuntu from a DVD where I had just burned the image file I had downloaded from the official website. Nothing worked. I would choice "install" or "just run without any effect on your computer". The DVD would run for maybe 5 minutes and then go silent while nothing happened on the screen for those 5 minutes.. I installed Win7 again. The only reason I tried to do so was that my math teacher praised Ubuntu as being the closest Linux alternative. I gave it a go.. meh... does anyone know what went wrong? Should I just have let it run further?

Sorry for "stealing your topic", Mikan. :P

Check your dvd? I burned a dvd of it and it works fine for me. look on TPB and try a iso from there for ur proccesor. see it that does it.

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2009, 04:26:15 PM »
I have a dual startup for around half a year now. I use windows when I want to play Pangya and openSUSE for all else. It was kind of a problem to update my Nvidia drivers, but once i had it, the video runs A LOT better than in windows. I can see transparent windows with video moving around from desktop to desktop without lag,   and really belive I have a good PC. You should first download a few live CD's to see which Linux distribution you like, and be ready to use the forums to solve all your issues. Have fun and accept that we cant live without windows, but we will keep trying!!!!

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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2009, 05:13:52 PM »
I have a dual startup for around half a year now. I use windows when I want to play Pangya and openSUSE for all else. It was kind of a problem to update my Nvidia drivers, but once i had it, the video runs A LOT better than in windows. I can see transparent windows with video moving around from desktop to desktop without lag,   and really belive I have a good PC. You should first download a few live CD's to see which Linux distribution you like, and be ready to use the forums to solve all your issues. Have fun and accept that we cant live without windows, but we will keep trying!!!!

I heard there was a Project named Venom Linux that had Windows support or something o.o

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2009, 01:00:01 AM »
Actually instead of going Ubuntu, I would recommend Linux Mint, an Ubuntu derivation customised for video playback.
It will give you less trouble with h.264 then Ubuntu might...

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2009, 01:02:09 AM »
Actually instead of going Ubuntu, I would recommend Linux Mint, an Ubuntu derivation customised for video playback.
It will give you less trouble with h.264 then Ubuntu might...

Mint 5 or Mint 9 now is the question.

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2009, 01:37:49 AM »
5 is LTS, but Gloria I would have to say of course...
And might even want to wait a while, Helena should be out soon...

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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2009, 01:41:58 AM »
5 is LTS, but Gloria I would have to say of course...
And might even want to wait a while, Helena should be out soon...

Read something about LXDE bieng cancelled for now.


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