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Offline Duki3003

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2009, 01:58:44 AM »
So? LXDE is canceled but why would you want that...
There is just no official date set for the release of 8 yet, but it should happen this month...

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2009, 02:00:51 AM »
So? LXDE is canceled but why would you want that...
There is just no official date set for the release of 8 yet, but it should happen this month...

I guess im going to wait then if theres going to be an update soon, no point to get it now then update it in a few weeks

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2009, 02:09:06 AM »
With a debian based distro, the way you upgrade your OS is apt-get dist upgrade, not reformat, reinstall.  Get really used to constant updates.

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2009, 02:11:09 AM »
With a debian based distro, the way you upgrade your OS is apt-get dist upgrade, not reformat, reinstall.  Get really used to constant updates.

ooh i see thats good

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2009, 07:23:14 AM »
Yes to everything everybody has said.

With a debian based distro, the way you upgrade your OS is apt-get dist upgrade, not reformat, reinstall.  Get really used to constant updates.
...except that most people I know do reinstalls for new versions (on Ubuntu, at least), because everything breaks doing a dist upgrade.  Now, if you're using a rolling-release distro, then yes, you make sure to never go more than a few days without upgrading.

I do not feel that Ubuntu is technically the best distro for beginners to linux, but it is by far the most popular, so it is quite easy to get assistance with it.  Although, when I was last around the forums, the asker-to-answerer ratio was getting pretty high.

Do you enjoy tinkering?  Do you enjoy reading manuals?  If not, then linux doesn't really have much to offer you - yes, it has no price and yes, we like to push cool open-source stuff but really, you'll only be really happy with it if you're looking for extreme flexibility.  For instance, before using linux, I was using an alternate file manager and shell on Windows, because I thought that explorer kinda sucked.  If you like explorer, then I don't really see the point of linux for you.
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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2009, 09:40:08 PM »
I have been using Linux for over 10 years by now (was forced to install it on the second year at University), and after having tested over 100 distros/versions through time, Ubuntu is the friendliest one. I have been using it fulltime for 5 years now (since 5.04, previously I had dual booting), and the only one that came close was the old Mandrake (I ended up choosing Ubuntu because it detected and configured my sound card whereas Mandrake couldn't do it, even though visually was more appealing with KDE).

All Linux distros have wireless problems due lack of open source drivers, so if you are on notebook or use wireless, better to stick with Windows unless you want to tinker around. And the lack of games and friendly media editing tools is visible, so if you are needing those, you should probably stay in Windows. Dual booting is nice to test it if you are a newbie, but after a while, you need to choose whether switch over or remove it from your system.

Sometimes thing break under Ubuntu, I won't deny. For example, to upgrade to 9.10 I had to reboot twice since the first time most applications crashed when opened. But I have tried upgrading others (Fedora, I am looking at you) that mess all your system with broken dependencies everywhere, so much I had to fully reinstall. And unless you are a developer, Debian isn't useful (update cycles are extremely slow, usually year and half or higher). Unless you want to be Gentoo-ish and download the packages yourself, trying to keep your system up to date but hoping not to break dependencies when replacing libraries, don't use it.

Back when I installed my first Linux (Slackware 2 if I recall correctly) I had to use xf86config and manually set my monitor's vertical and horizontal refresh :P Linux advanced a lot, but there are still visible problems.

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2009, 09:59:36 PM »
All Linux distros have wireless problems due lack of open source drivers, so if you are on notebook or use wireless, better to stick with Windows unless you want to tinker around.

While you might find the occasional laptop with an odd configuration, most wireless network cards and 3G modems now work without any tweaking or driver installations, a far cry from Windows XP and Vista.

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2009, 04:53:10 AM »
All Linux distros have wireless problems due lack of open source drivers, so if you are on notebook or use wireless, better to stick with Windows unless you want to tinker around.

While you might find the occasional laptop with an odd configuration, most wireless network cards and 3G modems now work without any tweaking or driver installations, a far cry from Windows XP and Vista.

Ubuntu version 6 had issues with that. Wifi worked out of the box, but then updates would break it.
But after trying 8 and 9, I can safely say that 99% of the time, wifi will work. It's the most important component because it's internet and that part will aid you to fix almost any troubles you can find.

But yes, wifi isn't much of an issue any more.

Ubuntu is indeed a little more friendly than most others. So if you have questions frequently, I'd suggest jumping there to get your feet wet before trying other distros.
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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2009, 05:08:17 AM »
Im going to give a 1 week run of ubuntu and 1 week run of MINT on my desktops (old ones) theyre the same model, different CPU's, so i can atleast tell performance difference (Only difference is athlon 2.8ghz > pent4 2.66 ghz ) I love customizing my pc  and the manuals I dont mind! :) the more you know the better.

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2009, 05:44:57 AM »
Im going to give a 1 week run of ubuntu and 1 week run of MINT on my desktops (old ones) theyre the same model, different CPU's, so i can atleast tell performance difference (Only difference is athlon 2.8ghz > pent4 2.66 ghz ) I love customizing my pc  and the manuals I dont mind! :) the more you know the better.
If you're really not afraid of man pages and want more customization, then you'll eventually be heading towards Arch, Slackware, Gentoo, Sourcemage, one of the BSDs, or the like.  But one step at a time, young one.
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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2009, 05:25:51 AM »
I use my laptop for Ubuntu but only 20gigs off the 320gigs. The reason is I dont see a reason to use Linux to watch videos and listen to music because windows does fine with that. Also Mikan you have an i7. It shouldnt matter lol.

I use Ubuntu to learn how to get into wireless networks

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2009, 05:36:05 AM »
Gnome and kde are the heavier window managers on ubuntu...
I haven used Linux in a while -_-
when I did. I haf no issues installing necessary drivers for hardware because my hardware is really mainstream (nvidia) and generic wireless pci adapter.
On Fedora my I was actually able to play a 1080 p video on CPU only... Where windows xp could not. Vdpau would make it even easier.
It's fun to dink around with.
Oh and I'm new here. ;)
great place here

windows DOES fine with video playback.... Once I set up my gpu offloading.

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Re: Ubuntu, Linux...all confusion.
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2009, 07:50:26 PM »
I've been using Linux for about three and a half years myself, most of that (April 2006-October 2009) spent on various versions of Kubuntu. I got tired of the arbitrary six-month updates and a bit too much hand-holding, so I'm now on Debian testing. It's not broken... yet. I would recommend starting on Ubuntu though, it's a good introduction for beginners.