Winter 2009 Anime

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1. SoRaNoWoTo - Lol @ wartime music. Can't really say anything about this one until I know exactly what the hell they're gonna do. I can say that there is one big reason I'm not going to enjoy this as much as I could, should I watch it: change in art styles. Originally, this was going to look kinda like like it does in the anidb picture for the art style and character designs... but they decided to fucking K-Onify it. I liked K-On's art style... in K-On. I absolutely fucking loathe the changes they made to this title. That alone makes me drop this rating. It seriously pissed me off.

I'd like to know where did you find out that it was ever supposed to look like the original character designs - from what I seen it seemed that from the start Mel Kishida's character designs were to be adapted to that particular style. Now whether is it a good thing or not, depends on personal preference - I don't mind either way. Just wondering whether it really was meant to be any different.

[lelangir]

moar hidasketch?

[relic2279]

moar hidasketch?

Your avatar is creepy.

[lelangir]

moar hidasketch?

Your avatar is creepy.

...Neko-sensei will have you marry him now.

[Havoc10K]

l think hes kinda cute, in a creepy way XD

[kureshii]

moar hidasketch?

Your avatar is creepy.

...Neko-sensei will have you marry him now.

K–k–k–k–kekkon-suru!?

[Stalker123]

well i also only see nodame contabile as a worthwhile series in their...

though i certainlt don't want to limit myself to only one series the whole season therefore i will try,
- Dance in the vampire bund, i'll take a definite scoop of this after reading so much positive rep here...
- Qwasar of Stigmata, i'll decide after watching the 1st ep... too much ecchi apparently
- Baka... will see
- Omamori Himari... will see

[xShadow]

I'd like to know where did you find out that it was ever supposed to look like the original character designs - from what I seen it seemed that from the start Mel Kishida's character designs were to be adapted to that particular style.

This is kind of late, but I wasn't really watching this topic.

Anyways... umm...
... because they're called the original character designs? I mean, generally.. they're called original because that's how they were supposed to look... you know... originally... as in... closer to intention of the author? I mean, you can call it "adapting", or whatever the hell you want, point is that it was changed, without any good reason.

It's kinda hard to NOT see that when you have two other examples of animes that were K-Onified from another art style. In general, Haruhi looked kinda close to what the protagonist of the anime we're discussing looks like, before she got K-Onified. Since they already did this to two other shows with similar effect, it's kind of hard to see any show that has the exact same art style as K-On (whereas it was supposed to have a different one originally) as anything but K-Onified. As for my source, I listed Sankaku. They're usually in the know about this stuff, and I would trust whatever they're saying (unless they're trolling... but this is a legit article so I don't think that's an issue) more than I would some random optimistic assumption that you were having.

So far, the only real reason I can see for turning Haruhi into the monstrosity that she is now is sales (as in, the company being greedy). This is further supported by the Endless Eight arc (unless you're a serious fanboy, you can't possibly see that as anything but disgraceful)... and also by the fact that K-On sold well. It was beaten by Bakemonogatari, but it still sold, and it sold well. It's really hard to see K-Onification as anything but an attempt to please the moeblob crowd that bought the shit out of K-On. Hell, put moeblob into google, and the second suggestion down (at least for me) was "K-On moeblob". That tells you that the two are closely associated.

Now, of course this is nothing but speculation, but I think that the evidence points quite clearly towards a certain direction. Maybe it's just me, but I really like her hair in the original artwork. It's better detailed and just looks nicer in general. One K-On is enough for me. One that doesn't even have Mio in it isn't worth a damn.

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*sigh*
First of all, you clearly don't understand what "original character design" is. It does not equate art style - So-Ra-No-Wo-To was meant to look like that from the beginning - that's what Toshifumi Akai's role in the project is. Mel Kishida was meant to provide original designs, not the way they would be drawn in. This is how this shit works, it's not the first nor the last time where characters in anime are drawn in a different style then the original character designs.

About the Sankaku article - it's pants-on-head retarded(like a lot of their articles) and isn't a "source" of any sort.  They just show a direction in which KyoAni as a studio goes recently. It doesn't have anything to do with copying anymore, this just one of directions anime design goes nowadays. Mainstream anime always copied and adapted previously popular designs, pretty much from the times of Osamu Tezuka.
Not to mention if anyone copied here, it would be KyoAni copying Kannagi, which is something that everyone miraculously forgets. And guess what? Kannagi and So-Ra-No-Wo-To are by the same studio! OH NOES! Animation studios making new shows look similar to their older productions? How could this happen!
/sarcasm

What I'm getting at, please do try to be more aware about how anime production works before trying to sound high and mighty like that.

[xShadow]

*sigh*
First of all, you clearly don't understand what "original character design" is. It does not equate art style - So-Ra-No-Wo-To was meant to look like that from the beginning - that's what Toshifumi Akai's role in the project is. Mel Kishida was meant to provide original designs, not the way they would be drawn in. This is how this shit works, it's not the first nor the last time where characters in anime are drawn in a different style then the original character designs.

It's fine if you wanna talk particulars. I don't give a flying fuck about them. I liked the original character designs better, and I don't care if that's the way they were slated now, or then, I wish they wouldn't have ORIGINALLY DECIDED TO DO IT IN K-ON STYLE, after making the original character design look like THAT. End of story.

Also, some sources would be nice. Where are you getting that "it was meant to look like that from the beginning"? More like, they "decided to make it like that because it was popular, rather than following the light novel's character designs?" (that's my interpretation) It's like you're switching around meanings to better make your point.


But again, I don't give a shit about your nitpicking. I preferred the original character designs being used.

Not to mention if anyone copied here, it would be KyoAni copying Kannagi, which is something that everyone miraculously forgets. And guess what? Kannagi and So-Ra-No-Wo-To are by the same studio! OH NOES! Animation studios making new shows look similar to their older productions? How could this happen!
/sarcasm

If you look at K-On's manga on onemanga.com, you'll see that the damn thing pretty much already ALREADY LOOKED LIKE THAT (kind of the same with Lucky Star; it doesn't suffer that much degradation from this change). This is NOT THE CASE with this anime. Don't compare the two. Furthermore, I could give less of a fuck about who copied who first or last, I don't like what they did here. I don't like how her character design looks different from what their output is, end of story.

About the Sankaku article - it's pants-on-head retarded(like a lot of their articles) and isn't a "source" of any sort.  They just show a direction in which KyoAni as a studio goes recently. It doesn't have anything to do with copying anymore, this just one of directions anime design goes nowadays. Mainstream anime always copied and adapted previously popular designs, pretty much from the times of Osamu Tezuka.

... Dude, I don't care about your opinion of Sankaku. Nor do I care about any of the rest of that. In my opinion, they should have found an artist that could draw more similarly to the original character designs. I think it's bad that they didn't. If this studio usually output stuff like this, then I'd prefer it if the anime had been handed to another studio.

What I'm getting at, please do try to be more aware about how anime production works before trying to sound high and mighty like that.

Wow, this just made my day. This is coming from you, who should by now be notorious for literally trying to shove your opinions up other peoples' asses.

Lemme just summarize here:

• I don't give a shit if this is how they slated the anime to be designed originally. I (note that I acknowledge that I'm just stating my opinion, not shoving it down your throat; I don't understand where you're getting "High and Mighty" from, since I'm not pretending I actually know anything about this) think it's better if it had been slated to be designed closer to the original character design's art style.
  
• No, I don't give a shit if this is a recurring thing in anime. That doesn't mean I like it.
• This is just a bad change in MY opinion.
• I don't give a shit about how much you don't like Sankaku.
• The stuff I said in my last post was MY interpretation of events.
• No, I don't give a shit about how YOU interpret events.
• This is my opinion of the show. I'm not shoving it down your throat.
• Yes, I know you like mudkips.
• To reiterate, I don't like how her character design looks different from what their output is, end of story.
  
• If that's how the studio does it, then I wish it had gone to another studio.
• I'm not going to keep debating with you on this. I don't give a shit about how much you disagree with me. I pretty much spent this entire post clarifying my interpretation of the events, and my opinion on what happened. If your interpretations/opinions are different, then by all means you can have them stay different. Stop shoving them down my throat, 'kay?

/discussion on this (at least for me, you can go on rambling if you want, because even if it had been in the original art style, this thing doesn't deserve that much debate about it)

Edit: quick add in on the Lucky Star tidbit.

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Well, can't say shit after

/discussion

that, can I?
I'll just clarify one thing that you seem to keep missing:

"decided to make it like that because it was popular, rather than following the light novel's character designs?"

THIS IS NOT AN ADAPTATION OF A SERIES OF LIGHT NOVELS for crying out loud.
Or anything else. It's an original anime project through and through, on which from the start(at least since staff list was announced) the one doing character design was Toshifumi Akai. I even found Mel Kishida listed as just doing "character draft", but dunno if that's how it was said in japanese.
Could comment on the rest too, but whatever.
If you don't like the style, cool - I'm not a fan either. But don't go around giving other people misinformed idea that it was supposed to look differently.
Also, hey people, am I literally trying to shove my opinions up other peoples' asses? Guess I'll try harder, then!


Alternate version of this post:

HURR DURR

U MAD?

[xShadow]

Actually, I edited that "light novel" part out at one point. I think I accidentally pressed CTRL+Z a few too many times, one time, and left that in there on accident. That part you're quoting wasn't supposed to be in the post. Just clarifying.

And yes, I'm an angry man. VERY, VERY ANGRY. GTFO.

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Actually, I edited that "light novel" part out at one point. I think I accidentally pressed CTRL+Z a few too many times, one time, and left that in there on accident. That part you're quoting wasn't supposed to be in the post. Just clarifying.

Ooooh really?

And yes, I'm an angry man. VERY, VERY ANGRY. GTFO.

Get the fuck out? Oh no. I'm here to stay, dear.
Also, only after I finished writing my previous post I realized that you're the same dude that was flaming in the Umineko thread! I knew all that nerdrage seemed familiar.

[Havoc10K]

make loli, not war !

[xShadow]

Actually, I edited that "light novel" part out at one point. I think I accidentally pressed CTRL+Z a few too many times, one time, and left that in there on accident. That part you're quoting wasn't supposed to be in the post. Just clarifying.

Ooooh really?

Yes.... really.

... Well, you obviously you're not going to believe that (it's not in your benefit to), and I'm not going to try to make you, because I quite frankly don't give enough of a shit to really try to convince you at this point. If you want that little mental edge that badly, go ahead and have it.

In other words, yes, I totally made that comment to save e-face...!!11! I admit it?!! >_>;

And yes, I'm an angry man. VERY, VERY ANGRY. GTFO.

Get the fuck out? Oh no. I'm here to stay, dear.
Also, only after I finished writing my previous post I realized that you're the same dude that was flaming in the Umineko thread! I knew all that nerdrage seemed familiar.

Yeah, I'm extremely pissed right now, so you better start running before I get out my knife and <insert stuff here>; I'ma find out where you live, and Mr. T's gonna be pitying you like a foo' when I get done...

<insert more hateful stuff here>

No, really, what's funny is that you're actually assuming I'm actually pissed just because I type like that when I'm arguing with someone online. In case that light bulb in your head didn't tick (not surprised, here), by the way, I was being sarcastic.
I didn't think it'd be hard to tell, but some people obviously need help. And I'm a nice guy.

Now, you're probably going to reply with something like "lol yeah right". Go ahead; you can have your last word. Go on, be the BIG MAN in the topic (lol). I'm finished here.





Anyway, all that fun (it was, a little) idiocy aside, I just noticed something major. When I looked at the Winter 2009 list, all I only looked at the easy-to-read picture (y'know, the one where the text wasn't blurred to shit...). I didn't think they'd be different, but then I realized that some series' screenshots were actually different. So, there's a few more things I'd probably like to take a look at now:
Lezzee....

1. Utawarerumono OVA (99/1) - I loved the show, so I'm definitely gonna be hitting this up.

2. Halo Legends (90/10) - Mainly because my friend would bug me about watching it all the time if I didn't anyway. >_>; He's been watching all these random trailers and crap about it. I stopped playing the actual Halo games a while ago (never thought I would...).

3. Dante's Inferno (75/25) - I saw a youtube clip, and it actually looked alright. However, as for all animes coming from games, being suspicious isn't a bad thing...

4. Kaito Reinya (??/??) - There's a catgirl involved here. I prefer to postpone judgment until I see the finished work.

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make loli, not war !

<3
And, because I absolutely have to get the last word:

herp derp

lol yeah right 

Also, you're really cute when you're being all defensive <3

[Duki3003]

Keep on topic or lock!
Both of you, I will warn you only once. You should know what comes next...

Edit: Or do you want to find out?

[Lupin]

updated the image on the 1st post with chartfag's v3

[Takeshi]

updated the image on the 1st post with chartfag's v3

It certainly doesn't look like v3 with that v2. Here's the link for v3 if anyone cares: http://chartfag.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/winter-09-10-v3fixed.jpg

[sungman]

denp taki na kanojo loos interesting....the last ova came out like....a year ago, I wonder if anyone will even remember it.

Oh and who the hell is subbing Durarara?