Windows 7 / XP * Anime = X

[kureshii]

And why would anyone seriously install Windows 7 Home on a server... o.O

Even if for some reason you do need Windows on a server, I'm sure there's a Server edition without artificial restrictions for that. So server boards aren't even a consideration for Win7 installation.

(And besides, if you can afford server hardware, I doubt the license cost will mean much to you.)

[Kuroshima]

Sorry sorry, I'm posting from phone. I'll be more specific.

[Goroshi-sama]

too bad I dont have Win7
but my friend has it and did you know:

-if you have the CCCP codecs you can watch anime on windows media player.. and its definitely better than the MPC or at least what I've seen on my friend's computer..

thats one of the reasons why I want Win7..

[Neco]

I have zero problems with CCCP and MPC Home Cinema  on Windows 7 x64 Ultimate

[Neco]

And why would anyone seriously install Windows 7 on a server... o.O

Even if for some reason you do need Windows on a server, I'm sure there's a Server edition without artificial restrictions for that. So server boards aren't even a consideration for Win7 installation.

(And besides, if you can afford server hardware, I doubt the license cost will mean much to you.)

You way underestimate what the Enthusiast consumer will do..  I mean these are people that will pay $500+ for a Video card.  Buy those insanely priced new CPU releases that can go up to $1,000,  etc.   Buying a $500 motherboard wouldn't mean anything to them if they wanted it.

ECC aside, there's nothing wrong with using a server mobo if you can get the performance you want out of it.  What OS you use doesn't even come into the equation as for as what motherboard to buy.

I'm not quite sure what point you were trying to make though..  Someone mentioned that they didn't know of any 32GB motherboards, so I just posted a link to some.


Still they have 24GB Intel  mobos on the consumer market,  and on the AMD side,  ECS  (roflcopterskates)  claims 32GB support on their Phenom board (although only tested to 8GB).

There are plenty of benefits beyong 8GB of RAM.  Mainly if you like to use RAM Drives for fast access of data where the performance shows a real benefit.  I won't pretend I know what most people use them for on a serious level, however.

[fohfoh]

I built an i7 server with windows 2008 server. Does that count as putting win 7 on a server?

[Xiong Chiamiov]

The main issue I'm looking at is RAM. Home Premium limits to 16GB.

Between my SLIed Video cards, and 4x 2GB Ram chips (I got them VERY cheap) I'm already more than 2/3 of the way to that limit. Yes it's useless on my XP, I know, Like I said VERY cheap.

I really don't understand having more than 1 gig on a workstation (although I suppose 2 is allowable if you run vms or do a lot of say, video editing).  I wouldn't use more than 16 gigs even in a highish-end server.

I suppose the fact that I'm operating very comfortably on a 20-gig hdd says something about my views on 16 gigs of ram, though.

I used to think that too until the upgraded my work PC from 1GB to 2GB. Even with XP it made a very noticeable difference. For gaming, 4GB is definitely as low as I would go. Bumping up from two to four made a HUGE difference for me.

No, you don't understand.  I'm not using swap at all, meaning that adding more RAM would do nothing more me.

1 Gig is nothing. I have had my IDE (Dr. Scheme if anyone cares) use more than that (it had a tiny memory leak and was editing several large files of code with contextual highlighting turned all the way up). Windows 7 uses a good 700 Megs if I recall correctly (I have not had it running without an anti-virus, mTorrent, Trillian, WinAmp, Last.fm, several large PDFs, and Firefox with dozens of tabs open in several months so I forget).

That's one of the reasons that I despise Dr. Scheme and refuse to use it, even while writing Scheme.  I prefer to ditch poorly-written software, rather than buy more hardware to accomodate it.

I built an i7 server with windows 2008 server. Does that count as putting win 7 on a server?

Only if windows 7 is the same thing as window 2008 server.

[mgz]

too bad I dont have Win7
but my friend has it and did you know:

-if you have the CCCP codecs you can watch anime on windows media player.. and its definitely better than the MPC or at least what I've seen on my friend's computer..

thats one of the reasons why I want Win7..

ewk i have win 7 RC
i cant fucking stand wmp i will occasionally use it for music since the keyboard controls only function on wmp

but as far as playing anime being better then MPCHT i sincerely doubt it.

[Lunarchild]

I built an i7 server with windows 2008 server. Does that count as putting win 7 on a server?

Not really. Windows server 2008 R2 might get close though.

[Natheria]

You way underestimate what the Enthusiast consumer will do..  I mean these are people that will pay $500+ for a Video card.  Buy those insanely priced new CPU releases that can go up to $1,000,  etc.   Buying a $500 motherboard wouldn't mean anything to them if they wanted it.

ECC aside, there's nothing wrong with using a server mobo if you can get the performance you want out of it.  What OS you use doesn't even come into the equation as for as what motherboard to buy.

I'm not quite sure what point you were trying to make though..  Someone mentioned that they didn't know of any 32GB motherboards, so I just posted a link to some.

Just because there are people out there that are silly enough to waste thousands of dollars on hardware that is 5% better than what is considered "normal high end" dosen't mean we should consider them as a factor in a real world argument. They don't buy that hardware for better performance. They buy it because it makes their epeen look bigger.

There's nothing essentially wrong with using those parts for a PC, except that it's a complete waste of money and hardware potential. Do you see many people running around driving a gold plated Lamborghini with a jet engine attached to the back?

Still they have 24GB Intel  mobos on the consumer market,  and on the AMD side,  ECS  (roflcopterskates)  claims 32GB support on their Phenom board (although only tested to 8GB).

There are plenty of benefits beyong 8GB of RAM.  Mainly if you like to use RAM Drives for fast access of data where the performance shows a real benefit.  I won't pretend I know what most people use them for on a serious level, however.

The only reason i mentioned mobos at all was to reinforce my initial point that there is no reason to consider a 16gig ram cap as an issue for Win7 (wasen't really all that important enough to go research although i didn't remember ever seeing a normal mobo with more than a 16 gig capacity). By the time we see situations that call for over 16gigs of RAM on a PC, Windows 8 or 9 will already be out.

I'd also like to see some good examples of situations that really call for over 8 gigs of ram, even if you preload a shit ton of data 8 gigs is a lot of pre loading!

[sdedalus83]

8GB wouldn't be enough to run a gaming PC from a ramdisk.  Even 32GB would limit you to only a few games

[Kuroshima]

My foxconn mono can handle 16 gB
p45 chipset.

[kureshii]

My foxconn mono can handle 16 gB
p45 chipset.

... just like 99.5% of mid-range 4-RAM-channel motherboards released in the past year or so?

The 16GB RAM limit should not be an issue for anyone who can't afford the Pro/Ult license. If you can afford a motherboard with 8 RAM slots or 4 sticks of 4GB RAM, you can afford a better version of Windows 7.

And if you really can't afford Windows 7, why not think about using Linux? No RAM limit. If you don't like Linux there's always BSD, OpenSolaris...

[vuzedome]

Server mo/bo, two Corei7s, 6x2x4=48GB DDR3 RAM.
What more could you ask for.

[kureshii]

You can't put 2 Core i7s on a server mobo; Core i7s only have 1 QPI link. You're looking at Nehalem-EPs or EX, and those are Xeons, not Cores.

And if you're looking at a server/workstation mobo, you can get anywhere between 4-9 slots of memory per socket, not just 6. Although you'll need ECC memory for that, so forget about your typical epeen-desktop budget.

Show me someone who puts Windows 7 Home on his/her server mobo, and I'll show you an idiot. W7H RAM limit should not be an issue.

P.S. and by the way, that setup you envision isn't complete without a Quadro FX and/or a complement of Teslas. Geforce? Nobody of sound mind wastes a setup like that on just gaming (unless you're using those Geforces as budget CUDA compute cards).

You way underestimate what the Enthusiast consumer will do..  I mean these are people that will pay $500+ for a Video card.  Buy those insanely priced new CPU releases that can go up to $1,000,  etc.   Buying a $500 motherboard wouldn't mean anything to them if they wanted it.

I should've clarified; I meant that nobody would install Windows 7 Home on a server/workstation (and hence run into the RAM limit). If they can afford a $500 motherboard and the corresponding processor, they should easily be able to afford an appropriate OS version.

[Kuroshima]

Well I'd say windows 7 and xp are both anime worthy:thumbsup:

[Malific]

Okay one final question here.
If I get a copy that has the Multi-Cultural Language Support thingy.

Is the language based on install or User Account?

Because if this allows 3 computer licenses as stated previously, a copy will most likely end up on my in-laws computer. Now my in-laws first language is German, and of course all their kids' first language is english. So will it be possible to have accounts in German AND accounts in English on the same PC?

[Lunarchild]

Okay one final question here.
If I get a copy that has the Multi-Cultural Language Support thingy.

Is the language based on install or User Account?

Because if this allows 3 computer licenses as stated previously, a copy will most likely end up on my in-laws computer. Now my in-laws first language is German, and of course all their kids' first language is english. So will it be possible to have accounts in German AND accounts in English on the same PC?

If you are running a version that has access to MUIs (enterprise or ultimate) you can set it based on user account. Otherwise it's based on install.