Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

[Fool010]

BUT~~ I will totally disagree that he was a "cardboard cutout." Sure, he wasn't around for a very long time, and sure, you might not have grown as attached to him as other characters, but the night before they went into battle, he admitted to others that he too was scared, but he found a lot of his courage in Simon, and that he had his own reasons to fight.

Yup, I remember the scene with Yoko especially. That's the single moment he behaved like a real human being, but I somehow felt it was too little, too late. Had he been a bit more fleshed out, instead of being primarily a loudmouthed yelling idiot, then his loss would've been devastating. Had he grow from an immature kid acting thoughtlessly into the guy who does what has to be done, knowing what it may cost him, then I would've been moved. I mean, he's never been scared before because he had nothing to lose. And everything ends just as he realizes there's more to life than fighting and "being a man", isn't it terribly unfair ?
More than a (supposedly) "charismatic role model", isn't he a guy who got cut short just when his life offered him more than he ever dreamed of ?
How come no one brings up how much he lost, and concentrate only on what his loss meant to his companions ?

Unfortunaterly, it happens only once in the series and I do think it hasn't been prepared well enough.

I mean, weren't we all meant to feel like Simon ?

Which brings me to my main gripe. There's an obvious spiritual filiation joining Simon and Kamina, but why had Simon to turn into a second rate imitation of the former Kamina, instead of becoming the man Kamina could've been if he had lived on ?

[BrownMasterV]

Which brings me to my main gripe. There's an obvious spiritual filiation joining Simon and Kamina, but why had Simon to turn into a second rate imitation of the former Kamina, instead of becoming the man Kamina could've been if he had lived on ?

Because he wouldn't have been able to wear those FABULOUS star sunglases!

[deathman]

He was good for the people that are appealed to these kind of people.....well yeah that loud yelling idiot was in fact a hero.If you dont think so well go ahead ..but he will be epic for some others for eternity.

[GoGeTa006]

Light's death in Deathnote is pitiful, Kamina's ain't ;z

Kamina's death is epic! Its sad, but it really gets to you. its not "bleh" plus he creates the giga drill breaker at that moment.

and I love the "create-your-attack's-name-on-the-spot" type of thing

like at the end when the guy goes "MY-WIFE-IS-THE-BEST-IN-THE-UNIVERSE---SWIIINGG!!!"

and the most epic of epicness is how they defeat the final antagonist. . .with the first ever called lagann attack (lagann impact)

EPICNESS! the final battle scene and the way all the gurren laganns are shown again and only the simplest part is the most important one. . .
TOTAL ANTI BLEH EPICNESS!

[Fool010]

Nice for you, but loud and over the top isn't epic enough for me. I'm probably no longer juvenile enough to be thrilled by that.

[AceD]

Yea, sophisticated moeblob is far more thrilling.

[Fool010]

Not remotely as much as failed sarcasm  

It's kinda odd how series like TTGL and Code Geass have that aura that puts them -supposedly- above all criticism.

[deathman]

Not remotely as much as failed sarcasm  

It's kinda odd how series like TTGL and Code Geass have that aura that puts them -supposedly- above all criticism.

Man i still dont understand why the fuck if you werent impressed by the show you keep posting here..let us have the Kamina worshipping.

[Eseuldor]

Not remotely as much as failed sarcasm  

It's kinda odd how series like TTGL and Code Geass have that aura that puts them -supposedly- above all criticism.

Man i still dont understand why the fuck if you werent impressed by the show you keep posting here..let us have the Kamina worshipping.

So, only people who were impressed and subsequently loved the show are allowed to critique it? WTF kind of e-cult is this? Your religion doesn't allow open discussion. I suggest you open your eyes.

[deathman]

Not remotely as much as failed sarcasm  

It's kinda odd how series like TTGL and Code Geass have that aura that puts them -supposedly- above all criticism.

Man i still dont understand why the fuck if you werent impressed by the show you keep posting here..let us have the Kamina worshipping.

So, only people who were impressed and subsequently loved the show are allowed to critique it? WTF kind of e-cult is this? Your religion doesn't allow open discussion. I suggest you open your eyes.

So you come to a gurren lagann thread where you know the majority liked it and you are like ''Meh Gurren Lagann wasnt good i did not like Kamina he was a retard....''also it is common in a thread about an anime for people who actually liked it to write their impressions..well you cant to state your opinion no one stopped you but is it necessary to do it here???write a review of it and you know say whatever you wish to.

[Fool010]

So you come to a gurren lagann thread where you know the majority liked it and you are like ''Meh Gurren Lagann wasnt good i did not like Kamina he was a retard....''also it is common in a thread about an anime for people who actually liked it to write their impressions..well you cant to state your opinion no one stopped you but is it necessary to do it here???write a review of it and you know say whatever you wish to.

Damn, we're going against the holy dogma of Gurren Lagann ... we're heretics !

Should I expect a mob with pitchforks to come knocking at my door and burn me on the stake ?

Either you allow all opinions to be expressed, or you allow none.

[Eseuldor]

Not remotely as much as failed sarcasm  

It's kinda odd how series like TTGL and Code Geass have that aura that puts them -supposedly- above all criticism.

Man i still dont understand why the fuck if you werent impressed by the show you keep posting here..let us have the Kamina worshipping.

So, only people who were impressed and subsequently loved the show are allowed to critique it? WTF kind of e-cult is this? Your religion doesn't allow open discussion. I suggest you open your eyes.

So you come to a gurren lagann thread where you know the majority liked it and you are like ''Meh Gurren Lagann wasnt good i did not like Kamina he was a retard....''also it is common in a thread about an anime for people who actually liked it to write their impressions..well you cant to state your opinion no one stopped you but is it necessary to do it here???write a review of it and you know say whatever you wish to.

Every thread I post in, I post my own personal feelings. You know, cause it's a discussion board maybe? If the only discussion you want is discussion that praises the show, then why the hell would you need to even discuss it if everyone felt the same way?

TTGL LOVERS UNITE! SILENCE ALL NAYSAYERS.

In the year of the dragon lots of men disappeared. Quietness is kept and won't be back next year.

[ramezrh]

So you come to a gurren lagann thread where you know the majority liked it and you are like ''Meh Gurren Lagann wasnt good i did not like Kamina he was a retard....''also it is common in a thread about an anime for people who actually liked it to write their impressions..well you cant to state your opinion no one stopped you but is it necessary to do it here???write a review of it and you know say whatever you wish to.

Mate this isn't a w*nk over TTGL thread it is a TTGL discussion thread. Negative criticism is perfectly valid. What are you so threatened by anyway it's not as if someone having a negative opinion of a show you like makes you stupid for liking it. It just means you have different opinions. Besides I think that Esueldor has a point. Now don't get me wrong TTGL was a fantastic fun action packed shows and remains one of my favorite hot blooded Anime to this date. However

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Kamina was an idiot and died pitifully after overextending himself. And underestimating his enemy.

I always thaught that was rather the point of him plot wise.

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He opened Simon's head to the both the need for courage and indirectly the need for reserve and the ability to accept other views on life than his own. I think that is what ultimately allowed Simon to forgive Rossui towards the end of the series.

For that "aspect" of Simon's personality we have Kamina and his

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heroic but pointless death

to thank.

[Eseuldor]

For the record, I never once even said the show was completely retarded or that I completely disliked it in it's entirety. I will admit that in my opinion it is completely over-hyped and completely over fanboy'd but it's not a complete and utter fail. I did, and will re-assert, my belief that Kamina was stupid and died in a stupid way no matter how heroic people try to make it seem.

The show, as a whole, was an ok watch. Definitely not worthy to hit any of my top list however. Maybe if Simon hadn't gone into emo mode for the entirety of the middle portion of the show it would have been better to me.

But you make one comment about a character that didn't even last to the halfway mark and some people get so damned butt hurt over it you would think there own fucking pride was heart punched. To think anything different from the fanboys immediately puts you into the dunce chair free to look on the ants...

[deathman]

For the record, I never once even said the show was completely retarded or that I completely disliked it in it's entirety. I will admit that in my opinion it is completely over-hyped and completely over fanboy'd but it's not a complete and utter fail. I did, and will re-assert, my belief that Kamina was stupid and died in a stupid way no matter how heroic people try to make it seem.

The show, as a whole, was an ok watch. Definitely not worthy to hit any of my top list however. Maybe if Simon hadn't gone into emo mode for the entirety of the middle portion of the show it would have been better to me.

But you make one comment about a character that didn't even last to the halfway mark and some people get so damned butt hurt over it you would think there own fucking pride was heart punched. To think anything different from the fanboys immediately puts you into the dunce chair free to look on the ants...

Thats enough man thats enough... i dont care anymore  what you post here i am off this thread it is pointless to continue discussing this.End of story and lets forget.....Kamina still was the hero though

[Fool010]

Thats enough man thats enough... i dont care anymore  what you post here i am off this thread it is pointless to continue discussing this.End of story and lets forget.....Kamina still was the hero though

Due note has been taken, you don't want to discuss. You just want to share your unconditional, uncritical, limitless admiration for the series with like-minded people.

[AceD]

I think most people forget TTGL is ultimately a Parody...

[pipitugaboy]

Ok.. I love the series by a lot.
And I even found it lame that Kamina died etc...
So saying this from someone who actualy finds this anime AWSOME!!!

Thats enough man thats enough... i dont care anymore  what you post here i am off this thread it is pointless to continue discussing this.End of story and lets forget.....Kamina still was the hero though

It's an discussion thread.. Like many said... Try to convince them why you like it.. And try to persuade them with ur thoughts =P But at the same time. Respect their opinion about it.
Ye sure you can look away.. But saying it's a pointless discussion because they don't like it, isn't really respecting an opinion.
This goes for everyone here btw. Not just him. >_>

Have fun in posting.. Not something like this. O_O

*Back on topic*

Kamina's death
I don't get you people.. Saying that he goes head in first (Yes he does that...) and dies because of that.... (Cuz he didn't).

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Kamina was an idiot and died pitifully after overextending himself. And underestimating his enemy.

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heroic but pointless death

I'm sorry but he was just sitting there enjoying the little victory.. And then he got butt****
Yes u can say that he did his attack at the end and then died... But he would've died anyhow doing that or not.
It's not like he died because of that.

Imo, yes it's sad he died.. But it was needed for Simon to stand alone for a chance.
But I don't find it an "Over-the-head-dumb-stupid-heroic-epic-dead"
As he was not fighting anymore when they came with the sneak attack.

I think most people forget TTGL is ultimately a Parody...

TTGL Parody

[deathman]

I said that i back off from the discussion because i dont want to continue this ''Kamina was epic'' '' No he wasnt'' thing..i did not mean that the discussion is pointless i meant that my discussion with Kamina haters or maybe Kamina-was-not-that-great guys is pointless because of the difference between opinions and as i stated before ''opinions are like assholes ..everyone has one.''So yeah i wont continue this discussion..also look at my upper posts i have stated my opinion i try convincing them but they have a different point of view so yeah....also some of them are flaming.. so guys yeah stay cool....i did not call your mothers whores by saying that Kamina was a hero.

[Irkan]

Heh, seeing TTGL as serious business 

I'll happily admit to loving it, but then again, I'm rather cheap when it comes to shows and if it has big explosions and ridiculously over the top action, I'll at the very least like it. So as TTGL is possibly one of the most over the top shows out there, while having lots of pretty colours to boot...

That said, it is lacking in the character department. Kamina is awesome, in a brash, loud-mouthed sort of way, but he's more a device than a character. And as a device, he works well, by giving the other characters an ideal and dream (and they do idolize a single aspect of him. It just so happens that that's also the only aspect we've been treated to throughout the series). Yoko is there, and ?. Never really see her do much, expect

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Kiss the guy about to die

, now do we? Most other characters get so little screen time you barely get to know them. Given his upbringing, Rossio (mrrk, forgot spelling), is probably the most developed character next to Simon. It's just too bad that the things Rossio believes in just doesn't work in the TTGL universe.
So there's Simon left, and in my opinion he gets some half-way decent development, turns into a pretty badass character who I'll cheer for all the way and that's it.

Now, back to the fights and the explosions, I'll be cheering those on all day long while characters and plot can go hang! Come to think of it, guess TTGL is a bit like The Expendables