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AceHigh:

--- Quote from: AntiPaladin on December 05, 2009, 12:32:19 AM ---There's no way you could build a ship to carry multiples of something as large as a Zubr. Each one is the size of 4 LCACs, and that's the entire load for a Whidbey-class LSD. You'd need something the size of a small island to haul 2-3 Zubr, which would limit its use for amphibious assaults.
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That gives me an idea.... modify Nimitz class as a huge LSD? I am sure it could fit at least 2 Zubr if a few docks are constructed.

Proin Drakenzol:

--- Quote from: darkjedi on December 05, 2009, 02:21:41 AM ---and political prejudices and idealism shouldn't stand in its way.

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Yeah, G-d forbid the fact that we have fundamentally opposing political agendas stop us from underwriting the military expansion and/or upgrading of a once hostile, still not too friendly power!


...Do you try to be retarded, or is it just a native talent? Because either way you're definitely a prodigy.

AntiPaladin:
A Zubr alone is 200' long, and a Nimitz is 1100'. There's no way you could modify a Nimitz to carry multiple Zubr. The best you could hope for is something akin to a giant wing, hollow inside, that the Zubr nest inside of. Then you've just created the world's largest, slowest, most defenseless target, because you would have nothing left over for any kind of defensive systems or even basic seaworthiness, since the thing would tumble in rough seas. Now you're stuck with a giant mound that has to stay towards calmer, coastal waters and needs a large bodyguard escorting it the entire way - in short, you've just made an even bigger Zubr that gains you nothing.

@Proin - I think jedi was kind of touching on that idea, he just didn't say it very well. If we could satisfy all 3 conditions (selling ships, making money, not helping bad people) then there's no reason not to do so just because we don't like them. However, we can't satisfy all 3 conditions, so it's not because of politics, it's because we'd be supplying someone we don't like (and vice-versa) A better example of what I assume he's talking about would be if we refused to sell Hanna Montana dolls to Iran just because we don't like them, even though there's a market for them, we'd make a profit, and it doesn't alter the balance of power.

Proin Drakenzol:

--- Quote from: AntiPaladin on December 09, 2009, 01:41:27 AM ---A Zubr alone is 200' long, and a Nimitz is 1100'. There's no way you could modify a Nimitz to carry multiple Zubr. The best you could hope for is something akin to a giant wing, hollow inside, that the Zubr nest inside of. Then you've just created the world's largest, slowest, most defenseless target, because you would have nothing left over for any kind of defensive systems or even basic seaworthiness, since the thing would tumble in rough seas. Now you're stuck with a giant mound that has to stay towards calmer, coastal waters and needs a large bodyguard escorting it the entire way - in short, you've just made an even bigger Zubr that gains you nothing.

@Proin - I think jedi was kind of touching on that idea, he just didn't say it very well. If we could satisfy all 3 conditions (selling ships, making money, not helping bad people) then there's no reason not to do so just because we don't like them. However, we can't satisfy all 3 conditions, so it's not because of politics, it's because we'd be supplying someone we don't like (and vice-versa) A better example of what I assume he's talking about would be if we refused to sell Hanna Montana dolls to Iran just because we don't like them, even though there's a market for them, we'd make a profit, and it doesn't alter the balance of power.

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Successfully selling Hanna Montana dolls to Iran, if it were a successful endeavor, would alter the balance of power because it would allow us to exert greater cultural influence over Iran.

Not that there's a good analogy available. Military hardware isn't something you sell to someone you don't like or don't have an overwhelming offsetting advantage if you do sell to them. "Making a profit" is actually a pretty pathetic reason for a government to do something.

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