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Takeshi:
--- Quote from: furuoshiki on November 30, 2009, 07:27:34 PM ---On that note both men and women ARE allowed to complain of soreness as a result of doing activities such as working out and playing sports.
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Such kind of pain is just hilarious to have. I've been doing sports quite a while. Attended a sports college and man did we work out/run/burn calories. But when I go back to training again I get this, of course, pain, but it's just hilarious to have since it really limits my movements. I just really love having a laugh about it. I'd go like:
- "Haha, holy crap this hurts!" ;D
Yes, I'm not making any sense. I know. Pain, who wants that, but I like to feel active.
My answer would be, between women and men, that (some) women are more sensitive.
isukianime:
--- Quote from: darkjedi on December 01, 2009, 05:10:34 PM ---I heard that women evolved to have more tolerance against heat and coldness at least. It had something to do with women being the carrier of babies.
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also false. women feel hotter/colder than men.
furuoshiki:
--- Quote from: isukianime on November 30, 2009, 11:59:58 PM ---
--- Quote ---Women feel pain more than men, more often and for longer periods of time, researchers claim.
Despite the popular belief that men are wimps when it comes to dealing with pain and the female experience of childbirth gives women the upper hand, scientists found that the opposite was true.
Several studies have now concluded that not only do women report more pain during their lives, they also experience it in more parts of the body, more often and ... (cont'd)
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-354638/Women-feel-pain-men.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4641567.stm
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This research has been somewhat confirmed by my personal experiences. This is exactly what I was thinking. I think the research results are true (because I trust the BBC almost as much as an academic journal). In fact I have used some reports published by the BBC maybe not in my Senior Thesis paper but certainly in regular reports that we have to do throughout the school year so I feel they are legit.
--- Quote from: Neco on November 30, 2009, 10:31:40 PM ---I have never, in my life, come across a person or a group of people or one gender that continually whines about some kind of "pain" on a daily or weekly basis - that is NOT rooted in some kind of diagnosed medical condition, or general soreness from physical activity.
Neither have I! Until somewhat recently. None of my family suffers from these problems. But after I graduated High School and went to College I started seeing more females in informal situations which is where I heard the first instances of the whining I explained in the original post.
Maybe they just want attention, or maybe you are over analyzing the situation or unknowingly misrepresenting what they are actually complaining about..
I used to tend to over-analyze but it's become sort of like the Healthcare debate. It's everywhere! And you can't avoid it.
What exactly are these people saying to describe the reason the are in pain and how often, and does it always change?
Example:
Jennifer(an acquaintance):
10/29: Ohhh my stomach hurts :(
10/31: My head hurts :(
11/1: My feet ache :(
11/5: My back hurts :(
Maria (co-worker):
11/8: My arm is numb :(
11/11: My toes are cold :( (wearing open toed shoes in November)
11/12: My back hurts :( (favorite among women in their 20's? no they generally don't have big boobs.)
11/15: My thighs are chapped :( (cheap stockings?)
11/17: My fingers are numb :(
11/18: My head hurts :(
Please compare this with two of my guy friends:
Zürick (yes his name is weird.):
10/31: Aw shit man, my balls ache. I need some sex. Let's order a hooker man.
11/1: My stomach hurts man. NO MORE THAI FOOD!
11/7: Yo my feet are killing me man. Maybe I need some of that Glutamine shit.
Mark:
11/2: Fuck man. You got anything natural for a hangover? What about that Tumeric stuff? I hear it works better than Asprin.
11/5: Ah my dick is raw. Too much jacking off.
Please notice the focus on the SOLUTION OR CAUSE to the pain as opposed to focusing on the problem itself.
Also women tend to get diagnosed for medical problems more than men do, because men are afraid to talk about stuff even with their doctors. This is more common among older men, I think younger men are more educated now about their health and are seeing doctors like they are supposed to, WHEN THE ISSUE WARRANTS PROFESSIONAL HELP. However, there in lies the distinction. It could also be that women are more prone to worry and be hypochondriacs than men, since they remember a lot of things that we simply forget. This leads to skewed stats for medical conditions, and also could account for why women may in general, be more expressive about their pain. Or it could be that women are just more expressive about even minor things such as small headaches.
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Very important excerpts from the article that are 100% true:
Women focus on the emotional aspects of their pain, which makes it worse, while men tend to focus on the physicality.
"Women who concentrate on the emotional aspects of their pain may actually experience more pain as a result, possibly because the emotions associated with pain are negative."
"Women tend to report to pain at lower thresholds than men. We know that we have far more women attending pain clinics than men too.
"More research needs to be done. It's hugely important because most of the drugs we use in pain have been tested on men. :o There is some evidence that women respond better to different pain killers than men."
Wow I didn't know that last part! No wonder popping a pill may not work for women sometimes. I've always recommended pain killers but they have always declined. Maybe it is because the pain killers are actually less effective for females than it is for males. Perhaps they also need to address the psychological component of the pain as well? :-\
To play devil's advocate here's a rebuttal from one of the commenter's on the article:
"There's no way that anyone can accurately assess anyone else's pain. How can I convey to you how much I hurt in a way that really lets you know?"
This is bullshit because: Basically a child or baby let's the parent know it's in pain by crying (in those old enough to voice their pains, whining or complaining). Hence you do know how much pain a person is in because they are telling you verbally. (If they are mute then that's a different story entirely) This is why I am concerned regarding females because I don't know if they are just groaning about feeling sluggish or are really in some sort of debilitating pain.
I don't think that Men remain silent when they are in pain just to appear manly. However, instead of focusing on words, we focus on actions. Men will go to the Doctor and typically find out what is wrong if the pain is bad enough. My grandfather has never told my grandmother about any of his health issues. But now that he has dementia and is in a nursing home we have been privy to his medical file and he has seen the Doctor on numerous occasions regarding pains throughout the years.
So it may in fact be a fallacy that older men just "ignore" pain altogether or refuse to seek treatment for it.
I guess this means that Men go to the Doctor...You just won't know until they are either dead or mentally incapacitated! LOL
fohfoh:
Soccer 101.
Walk it off.
If that doesn't work, rub some dirt in it.
In all honestly, I'm quite certain I ignore most of my pain. I get annoyed that pain hampers my physical performance and find ways to try and get my body to use other areas/muscles to absorb impact so that it's less painful and I can keep up my performance. I recall partially tearing a ligament. The pain was nothing. The fact I felt like I was clogging up walk ways and stuff because I was moving slow was more of an issue for me.
For females though... isn't there also the issue of Fibromyalgia? Though this one is more rare.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibromyalgia
vuzedome:
pain, Pain.... Pain? PAIN!! pain.... palin.... Palin? Palin!? PALIN!!
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