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darkjedi

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Robots
« on: December 06, 2009, 09:46:37 AM »
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The next stepping stone once they can fully emulate human movement is the AI that will make these robots do mankind's dirty work. Then will come the I-Robot age... oh yeah.  8)
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Offline Reape

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Re: Robots
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2009, 09:53:50 AM »
Better yet than just to develop robots to help us would be to merge or replace our own brains with computers and become robots ourselves. In the end technological beats biological in every single area and would allow ourselves a much wider experiences too as well as the possibility to more easily shape our own personalities the way we want them to be.
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Re: Robots
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2009, 09:59:46 AM »
We can have both. We can have both pure robots and humans augmented with cybernetics.

On another note, what must we do if there are humans who refuse to be integrated into a robotic society?

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Re: Robots
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2009, 10:03:25 AM »
what must we do if there are humans who refuse to be integrated into a robotic society?

Allow them to live as they see fit. Would be pretty cruel to force anyone to do that if they thought it equated to death, losing themselves or anything like that. It's not like we have to force anyone to become a cyborg, but rather just give them the possibility to do it.
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Re: Robots
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2009, 11:28:16 AM »
AI researchers are going to be the death of the human race if the bioengineers don't beat them to it.
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Re: Robots
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2009, 11:38:57 AM »
Citations please!

This is how robots should work. Hehehe!
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Re: Robots
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2009, 12:05:58 PM »
On another note, what must we do if there are humans who refuse to be integrated into a robotic society?
Obviously, the robotic overlords will know what to do when such a situation arises. No need to question.

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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2009, 12:07:52 PM »
Matrix redux! ok x3

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Re: Robots
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2009, 04:22:02 PM »
Citations please!

This is how robots should work. Hehehe!

I can sense the Robocop thing happening with those things.

Robot: "Lower your weapon"
*Human lowers weapon*
Robot: "Lower your weapon, this is a final warning"
Human: "But I already did that!"
*Robot splatters the human all over the place*

Then again I guess if they point those things towards North Korea, they will not hit any friendly targets, only hungry refugees occasionaly.

This may sound brutal, but human.... at least Korean lives have less price tag than those robots, so I doubt that you will have many of those things any time soon.
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Re: Robots
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2009, 06:45:52 PM »
Better yet than just to develop robots to help us would be to merge or replace our own brains with computers and become robots ourselves. In the end technological beats biological in every single area and would allow ourselves a much wider experiences too as well as the possibility to more easily shape our own personalities the way we want them to be.

I've yet to see a camera that can compete with the human eye.   Both can do different things, some better than the other,  but I'd rather be blind than be a guinea pig for the current science of  camera based  vision.

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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2009, 09:24:38 PM »
^^
We plan to deploy this to A'stan first for field practice.

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Re: Robots
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2009, 09:46:53 PM »
its extremely silly to be trying to focus on humanoid robots, as its pretty much a fact the humanoid shape is inferior when scaled and difficult to reproduce with robotics.

Which is why you get a robot that can barely walk and its an "achievement"  the reason we dont have a majority of the companies in the world making humanoid robots or trying to develop for it is because its a waste when you can develop other things to be more effective and functional for cheaper.


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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2009, 09:45:38 AM »
Humanoid robots can lead to artificial appendages that are compatible with humans in the future, leading to humanity's benefit. Not very silly. Robotics scientists know the stuff they are working on and how they can benefit mankind.

To make an example, a running robot could yield a pair of artificial legs that could enable a quadriplegic to run again.

Oh and, powered armor or exoskeleton stuff for soldiers too.  8)

Robots like Mahru can already emulate human arm movement to a limited degree. Same thing can be used for like, an exoskeleton or a separate robot unit for a construction worker lifting heavy objects by himself without use of other heavy equipments, etc beside soldier stuff if they are more streamlined.
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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2009, 02:24:40 PM »
currently its not the appendage that would be limiting the ability to attach robotic limbs to a human, but rather the ability to program it to communicate and function with the human brain.


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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2009, 05:40:55 PM »
That is where robotics researches branch.

It's wrong to assume that they are focusing only on limbs just because videos of them are the only ones we've seen. It only means that they have progressed into a fully demonstrable level. (making robot arms move as fluid as a man's arm can be)

Focusing solely on cybernetics is not very productive also. The apparatus that will be manipulated by the cybernetics should achieve some level of usability first so that cybernetics itself will develop use.

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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2009, 05:57:44 PM »
the hard part isnt getting the motors to work, its getting a power source for them and making their programing function.

The reason why the humanoid designs are a particular pain is because of how fail the human bodies design is from a standpoint of physics.
Thats why midgets and giants within the human species fail miserably as it is.

Specifically the most difficult part other then power supplies = getting the thing to maintain full balance while moving at any kind of normal pace which is why bullshit like asimo or w/e move slow as fuck. Robotics being attached to people have far less hurdles to jump over as far as the balance issue goes, however power issues and communication is still extremely limited.

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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2009, 06:48:01 PM »
There are robotics scientists who are working on cybernetics.

Again, It's only that the results of their cybernetics research is not yet fully demonstrable, and that's why we are led to think they are only focusing on locomotive robotics.

It also again means that demonstrability of locomotion was easier to achieve than the demonstrability of cybernetics - not that they are neglecting cybernetics - and it's pretty obvious too why that is the case. Even when we study our own physiology we understand the... 'physicals' more than we understand the 'psyche', like how we understand the muscles, skeletons etc better than we understand the brain. Our study of robotics seem to be subject to the same phenomenon. It's only natural that the study of simple humanoid/bipedal locomotion in robotics is progressing by many paces faster than the study of cybernetics when we inherently know more about the former than the latter.

Btw, the study of power sources... what field of study does that belong to? As in, could it be called 'power source technology' like 'information technology', etc.
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Re: Robots
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2009, 07:04:46 PM »
Hmm... this reminds me Festo Bionic Learning robotics:

Water penguin & air penguin 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5JHMpLIqO4

And Honda Asimov's learning capabilities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rqO5eiP7_k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dv0wJDwtuw

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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2009, 09:17:57 PM »
Non humanoid robots, no matter what the purpose, are so much cuter than those creepy fucking things.



Don't you just want to cuddle with it?

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Re: Robots
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2009, 03:00:48 AM »
Better yet than just to develop robots to help us would be to merge or replace our own brains with computers and become robots ourselves. In the end technological beats biological in every single area and would allow ourselves a much wider experiences too as well as the possibility to more easily shape our own personalities the way we want them to be.

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If so i'm glad to not be the only one on these forums.