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RPG's dying?
kostya:
--- Quote from: AceHigh on December 12, 2009, 03:32:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: kostya on December 12, 2009, 01:26:56 AM ---It depends on which Final Fantasy he is talking about.
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Any of them, JRPG is like a graphic novel book, they usually have good stories, but you have no freedom of choice whatsoever and end up playing an adventure game that strictly follows the main story and has RPG stat building element.... oh and you have so many annoying long ass cinematics, that sometimes you wonder: "Wow this battle looks good, it would be more fun if they let me do that instead of watching it".
So call it whatever you want: Interactive graphic novel, adventure game with oversized swords, trigger of an epileptic seisure, but don't call it a role playing game, because the only role play you do is to navigate through a maze of fucking confusing skill systems that give the same effect as drinking gazolene and watching at excell spreadsheets at the same time. (Damn that last quote is good, from my favorite game critic, Yahtzee)
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As I said, it depends on which FF you are talking about. They were sane (though linear). It changed when FF7 came out. They did the crazy thing and replaced game play with graphics. It sold VERY well. They tried it a couple more times and it worked again. Then they tried to take all the game play out at once in Final Fantasy: the Spirits Within. That did not work well, so they are working to slowly phase out game play and improve the graphics.
Among very recent games, there are several very good JRPGs. Nostalgia plays like a remake of Skies of Arcadia complete with ship based battles. Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road is fun and very stylistically unique.
kardz:
--- Quote from: Carnivus on December 12, 2009, 11:27:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: kardz on December 12, 2009, 07:49:49 PM ---It's not really dying, it's just fall and winter quarters are the time for hyped generic games to make their way into the market and gobble up $$.
Casual gamers dig FPS genre and other fast paced action games over long and complex RPG's right now. If you like CRPGs/JRPGs and can't wait then start playing the ones that you might have missed or overlooked in the past.
RPG isn't dying, you're just not looking hard enough.
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Shooters are dead since Crysis.Nothing close to it appeared in nearly 3 years.The only one close to it was Dragon Rising.Dead Space was interesting the first half hour,after that it got boring.I really don't have anything worth mentioning to add.FEAR was good.The first one,because it caused an impact.After that,they added nothing but 2-3 guns and 2-3 enemies.
So a great genre,FPS,are nothing but empty shells for mindless killing and stereotypes.As for RPG's,who briefly make 2-3 games a year on PC,they a lot more appreciated.I mean,the hype around ME2 is gigantic.Not to mention the hundred mods for Oblivion IV.Fallout 3 and Dragon Age didn't do bad at all.The witcher was also very enjoyable.
So,I can say that RPG's are the best games.Period.It has all other genres,but also it has it's own borders.Fallout 3 and ME-shooters,FF-strategy-like and of course,its own bladed fights,The Witcher,Oblivion IV and Dragon Age.
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I never said any of the recent release of games were any good.
People pay 50 bucks for overhyped generic shooter number 35323213213 just for the sake of playing something new.
Nothing like charging you 50 dollars for a game which is pretty much a mod of HL2 source engine and then coming out with a "new" game for another 50 bucks less than a year later.
shabutie:
--- Quote from: kardz on December 13, 2009, 04:48:28 AM ---Nothing like charging you 50 dollars for a game which is pretty much a mod of HL2 source engine and then coming out with a "new" game for another 50 bucks less than a year later.
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Why do I get the feeling this is directly aimed at Left 4 Dead?
^_^
AceHigh:
--- Quote from: Jesta23 on December 12, 2009, 06:22:28 PM ---
Hah.
All of those negatives you just listed are what I enjoy most about these games.
Give me a linear, interactive graphic novel, with oversized swords, and a complex skill system and I will love that game.
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Great... good for you.
But why the fuck do people continue to label them as role playing games? Hell, if you want an involving storyline, try playing The longest journey and Dreamfall, both have linear story which is awesomel, but it is not labeled as RPG because it is not one. Hell, japanese "rpg" are more comparable to monkey island games, rather than real rpg games.
oh and the skill system is not complex, but just have an annoying gui. For example fallout has a skill system with 18 skills, traits and attributes and it was still on one page. For that matter Arcanum has a normal skill + technological and magic disciplines and it all was fit well and I never had to use time to find stuff. Oh well it might be like that because japanese make their game for consoles, but a fucking maze on a skill deck is just stupid.
--- Quote ---Play an SMT game.
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Surface-mount technology? Sequential manual transmission? Simultaneous multi threading? Statistical machine translation?
--- Quote ---Yes but did it never happen to you to find yourself screaming at the screen for some odd choice of the lead character.That's why today's RPG's are with choices,so that when you don't like what's happening there,you think how idiot you were and try to repair the situation.You have taken a decision,and now you must live with its consequences.
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Ah, that must be reffered to "The Witcher". There you don't see the consequence of your actions until much further in game, so save/reload won't work there. Simply love that game.
Penthero:
--- Quote from: AceHigh on December 13, 2009, 09:20:34 AM ---
--- Quote ---Play an SMT game.
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Surface-mount technology? Sequential manual transmission? Simultaneous multi threading? Statistical machine translation?
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I think he means Shin Megami Tensei.
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