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RPG's dying?
fohfoh:
--- Quote from: kardz on January 05, 2010, 05:41:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: TorturdChaos on January 04, 2010, 01:27:42 AM ---Personally I think they are dying out. I guess I should clarify what I think of when I think RPG - because a lot of games list don't stick with me as RPG's. I'm thinking of the Final Fantasy's, Shadowhearts, Star Ocean, Chrono Trigger & Cross - and Kingdom Hearts (more or less) - games like that. While I love diablo 2, I don't really consider that style of game an RPG - nor do I consider Oblivion or Dragon Age an RPG - although I'm not sure what to call them. Nor are Devil May Cry or God of War style games and RPG in my opinion. More of an Action Adventure.
I actually was just thinking the the other day - man I haven't seen a good RPG in a long time. maybe its just that my definition of RPG hasn't changed since I was 13 or so and first played FF7 and was hooked. But I have agree my idea of a good classic RPG hasn't been put out in a while, and its rather depressing... :(
I mean when i look up RPG on GameFAQs i do see Baldur's Gate, Aion, Diablo 1,2 &3, Dragon Age, Fable and so forth- but that doesn't stick in the classic RPG category with me :(
EDIT
Also -
Making a clone of the mechanics of a game does not guarantee a great RPG (not hit or top seller, but great. It may be a top seller just because its riding the success of its predecessor)
Take Legend of Legia for example - first was was great IMO. The whole Arts system of combat was well thought out, and different from anything around at the time - and I think is what really made the game, without the Arts system it wasn't a block buster game. If they had tried the same game with a standard turn bases system, I think it would have failed.
Now take Legia 2. New story, same combat mechanics. But the story felt kinda lack luster i guess. Didn't hold up to the first one. Same innovative combat system, but not as great of a game.
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alskndlsandslandasd s.a,ndsa
What the fuck did I just read?
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Words.
So explain your confusion with the English language if you have them.
Futaba:
--- Quote from: kyanwan on December 28, 2009, 07:47:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Futaba on December 24, 2009, 10:03:39 AM ---RPGs will never die. People like GRINDAN FOREVER too much. RPGs with cool next gen graphics are going to take a while to make because there's an expected 40+ hours of gameplay for most RPGs, not 6-8 like most other stuff that gets cranked out.
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WHAT? May I remind you, one of the most lived, most epic, most perfect, most imitated RPGs of all time, was invented IN THE UNITED STATES by none other than the father of the ultimate RPG - Gary Gygax - yes, I speak of D&D. D&D had infinite storyline - it's not about grinding, it's about enjoying the story, having some fun - having character depth. 6-8 hours of gameplay is NOT a game. People are too un-creative these days.
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What does this have to do with my post at all? I said it takes a lot more time to crank out next-gen graphics over a 40+ hour videogame AND have good writing and lore development for decent immersion, and that easy-to-make 6 hour action games are all the rage these days because they are easy to make.
You just started yelling about the U.S. and DnD for no real reason.
Oh and an infinite storyline means you are grinding forever. If not for levels, then for gear, moniez, rank, land, TO SAVE THE WORLD etc. The playstyle of an RPG is a grind, no matter what kind you play. You choose your class, develop your playstyle as you level, and repeat the same basic strategy on every enemy you encounter. You always encounter lots of small enemies and some sort of boss enemies. The storyline is not at the forefront 100% of the time, because you can't have a game be completely story and have anyone still care about it at 50+ hours. That's called a visual novel, not a game. The story is there is there so you feel immersed and the grind is fun for you. You feel like so-and-so on whatever mission to save whatever and discover something cool.
kardz:
--- Quote from: fohfoh on January 05, 2010, 06:56:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: kardz on January 05, 2010, 05:41:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: TorturdChaos on January 04, 2010, 01:27:42 AM ---Personally I think they are dying out. I guess I should clarify what I think of when I think RPG - because a lot of games list don't stick with me as RPG's. I'm thinking of the Final Fantasy's, Shadowhearts, Star Ocean, Chrono Trigger & Cross - and Kingdom Hearts (more or less) - games like that. While I love diablo 2, I don't really consider that style of game an RPG - nor do I consider Oblivion or Dragon Age an RPG - although I'm not sure what to call them. Nor are Devil May Cry or God of War style games and RPG in my opinion. More of an Action Adventure.
I actually was just thinking the the other day - man I haven't seen a good RPG in a long time. maybe its just that my definition of RPG hasn't changed since I was 13 or so and first played FF7 and was hooked. But I have agree my idea of a good classic RPG hasn't been put out in a while, and its rather depressing... :(
I mean when i look up RPG on GameFAQs i do see Baldur's Gate, Aion, Diablo 1,2 &3, Dragon Age, Fable and so forth- but that doesn't stick in the classic RPG category with me :(
EDIT
Also -
Making a clone of the mechanics of a game does not guarantee a great RPG (not hit or top seller, but great. It may be a top seller just because its riding the success of its predecessor)
Take Legend of Legia for example - first was was great IMO. The whole Arts system of combat was well thought out, and different from anything around at the time - and I think is what really made the game, without the Arts system it wasn't a block buster game. If they had tried the same game with a standard turn bases system, I think it would have failed.
Now take Legia 2. New story, same combat mechanics. But the story felt kinda lack luster i guess. Didn't hold up to the first one. Same innovative combat system, but not as great of a game.
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alskndlsandslandasd s.a,ndsa
What the fuck did I just read?
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Words.
So explain your confusion with the English language if you have them.
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Did you even notice the part where I highlighted?
He just pretty much generalized that JRPG's are the only RPG's, & P&P rpg based games aren't "RPG".
Jesus christ the amount of pure ignorance in that post is enough to make any gamer who wasn't born in the 00's rage. I'm not a fanboy and I think all fanboys should really go on and suck a cock or something, I enjoy JRPG's as much as WRPG's.
RPG's aren't about the fancy FMV's and stupid beautifully rendered cut scenes, it's about role-fucking playing. I "enjoyed" most of the FF titles but let's be honest they've been cranking out the same generic hashed up shitty plot for way too many games now but fanboys are too busy eating up anything that comes out SE even if its bad therefore SE really doesn't need to change their shit if they can sell million of copies of a terrible game.
FFXIII came out recently in Japan and so far most reviews are pretty negative citing it as the most linear and the only good parts are unlocked after 30 or so hours of gameplay which is pretty much near the end of the game. Basically you're put in a straight path and can't explore, can't backtrack, there's no towns you move from point a to z in a straight path.
tl;dr - dishes and chores.
Sosseres:
I like linear games. With choices during the linear path. The opposite taken to far makes games like oblivion that is no fun at all, for me.
fohfoh:
--- Quote from: kardz on January 09, 2010, 08:49:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: fohfoh on January 05, 2010, 06:56:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: kardz on January 05, 2010, 05:41:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: TorturdChaos on January 04, 2010, 01:27:42 AM ---Personally I think they are dying out. I guess I should clarify what I think of when I think RPG - because a lot of games list don't stick with me as RPG's. I'm thinking of the Final Fantasy's, Shadowhearts, Star Ocean, Chrono Trigger & Cross - and Kingdom Hearts (more or less) - games like that. While I love diablo 2, I don't really consider that style of game an RPG - nor do I consider Oblivion or Dragon Age an RPG - although I'm not sure what to call them. Nor are Devil May Cry or God of War style games and RPG in my opinion. More of an Action Adventure.
I actually was just thinking the the other day - man I haven't seen a good RPG in a long time. maybe its just that my definition of RPG hasn't changed since I was 13 or so and first played FF7 and was hooked. But I have agree my idea of a good classic RPG hasn't been put out in a while, and its rather depressing... :(
I mean when i look up RPG on GameFAQs i do see Baldur's Gate, Aion, Diablo 1,2 &3, Dragon Age, Fable and so forth- but that doesn't stick in the classic RPG category with me :(
EDIT
Also -
Making a clone of the mechanics of a game does not guarantee a great RPG (not hit or top seller, but great. It may be a top seller just because its riding the success of its predecessor)
Take Legend of Legia for example - first was was great IMO. The whole Arts system of combat was well thought out, and different from anything around at the time - and I think is what really made the game, without the Arts system it wasn't a block buster game. If they had tried the same game with a standard turn bases system, I think it would have failed.
Now take Legia 2. New story, same combat mechanics. But the story felt kinda lack luster i guess. Didn't hold up to the first one. Same innovative combat system, but not as great of a game.
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alskndlsandslandasd s.a,ndsa
What the fuck did I just read?
--- End quote ---
Words.
So explain your confusion with the English language if you have them.
--- End quote ---
Did you even notice the part where I highlighted?
He just pretty much generalized that JRPG's are the only RPG's, & P&P rpg based games aren't "RPG".
Jesus christ the amount of pure ignorance in that post is enough to make any gamer who wasn't born in the 00's rage. I'm not a fanboy and I think all fanboys should really go on and suck a cock or something, I enjoy JRPG's as much as WRPG's.
RPG's aren't about the fancy FMV's and stupid beautifully rendered cut scenes, it's about role-fucking playing. I "enjoyed" most of the FF titles but let's be honest they've been cranking out the same generic hashed up shitty plot for way too many games now but fanboys are too busy eating up anything that comes out SE even if its bad therefore SE really doesn't need to change their shit if they can sell million of copies of a terrible game.
FFXIII came out recently in Japan and so far most reviews are pretty negative citing it as the most linear and the only good parts are unlocked after 30 or so hours of gameplay which is pretty much near the end of the game. Basically you're put in a straight path and can't explore, can't backtrack, there's no towns you move from point a to z in a straight path.
tl;dr - dishes and chores.
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I know that, I wanted to know what you didn't tear him a new asshole instead of just going "What?"
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