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RPG's dying?
TorturdChaos:
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--- Quote from: TorturdChaos on January 04, 2010, 01:27:42 AM ---Personally I think they are dying out. I guess I should clarify what I think of when I think RPG - because a lot of games list don't stick with me as RPG's. I'm thinking of the Final Fantasy's, Shadowhearts, Star Ocean, Chrono Trigger & Cross - and Kingdom Hearts (more or less) - games like that. While I love diablo 2, I don't really consider that style of game an RPG - nor do I consider Oblivion or Dragon Age an RPG - although I'm not sure what to call them. Nor are Devil May Cry or God of War style games and RPG in my opinion. More of an Action Adventure.
I actually was just thinking the the other day - man I haven't seen a good RPG in a long time. maybe its just that my definition of RPG hasn't changed since I was 13 or so and first played FF7 and was hooked. But I have agree my idea of a good classic RPG hasn't been put out in a while, and its rather depressing... :(
I mean when i look up RPG on GameFAQs i do see Baldur's Gate, Aion, Diablo 1,2 &3, Dragon Age, Fable and so forth- but that doesn't stick in the classic RPG category with me :(
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Also -
Making a clone of the mechanics of a game does not guarantee a great RPG (not hit or top seller, but great. It may be a top seller just because its riding the success of its predecessor)
Take Legend of Legia for example - first was was great IMO. The whole Arts system of combat was well thought out, and different from anything around at the time - and I think is what really made the game, without the Arts system it wasn't a block buster game. If they had tried the same game with a standard turn bases system, I think it would have failed.
Now take Legia 2. New story, same combat mechanics. But the story felt kinda lack luster i guess. Didn't hold up to the first one. Same innovative combat system, but not as great of a game.
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What the fuck did I just read?
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So explain your confusion with the English language if you have them.
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Did you even notice the part where I highlighted?
He just pretty much generalized that JRPG's are the only RPG's, & P&P rpg based games aren't "RPG".
Jesus christ the amount of pure ignorance in that post is enough to make any gamer who wasn't born in the 00's rage. I'm not a fanboy and I think all fanboys should really go on and suck a cock or something, I enjoy JRPG's as much as WRPG's.
RPG's aren't about the fancy FMV's and stupid beautifully rendered cut scenes, it's about role-fucking playing. I "enjoyed" most of the FF titles but let's be honest they've been cranking out the same generic hashed up shitty plot for way too many games now but fanboys are too busy eating up anything that comes out SE even if its bad therefore SE really doesn't need to change their shit if they can sell million of copies of a terrible game.
FFXIII came out recently in Japan and so far most reviews are pretty negative citing it as the most linear and the only good parts are unlocked after 30 or so hours of gameplay which is pretty much near the end of the game. Basically you're put in a straight path and can't explore, can't backtrack, there's no towns you move from point a to z in a straight path.
tl;dr - dishes and chores.
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"He just pretty much generalized that JRPG's are the only RPG's, & P&P rpg based games aren't "RPG"."
I wasn't saying that is the definition of RPG that everyone has to use nor is that all the RPG's out here, but those are the style of games that come to mind when I think of an RPG. FF7 was the first RPG I played - I loved it. It was like playing through a book. It had me hooked on that style of games, that sub-section of RPG's. So when someone says RPG - that style of game is the first thing to pop into my mind. Oblivion, dragon age, diablo, MMO's - all of those are still in the RPG category, and I enjoyed some of them, but they are not what come to mind when you mention RPG. I know my idea of an RPG is a very narrow portion of what is traditionally categorized as RPG - but its what I like to play.
This guy put it a lot better than i can:
--- Quote from: flyawave on January 12, 2010, 08:20:12 PM ---the problem is that some of us were given snes games and told "This is an RPG!" and others were given FF and told "This is an RPG!" or shown Elder Scrolls Oblivion and told... you can see where I'm going.
I see two broad RPG types: the "play your story how you want" type and the "This is a story, play through it" and both have advantages over each other. this can apply to other genres as well. eg. metal gear is of the latter category or Fallout which comes under the former, but the main trend is that JRPGs are almost always the latter and to be honest I prefer it that way
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So yes I like JRGP's. That is what comes to mind when anyone mentions RPG. Those are the type of RPG's I like to play. And to answer the original question of this thread, I see that that JRPG seem to be dying out - and from re-reading the whole thread again, that seems to be general consensus.
Sosseres:
I am of the opposite opinion of rpgs dying out. They are genre merging with shooters/action/arcade and so on. The stories in those are starting to become very good while allowing a high grade of customisation. They are essentially an rpg with most of the tactic/strategy taken out in favour of a higher pace of action.
There are still RPGs being made, a decent amount, but the cost of producing them compared to many other genres means fewer games are released now. The ones that are released are generally high quality. At least that is my opinion.
flyawave:
I was first shown a jrpg as my first rpg so as torturdchaos says it's the type that comes to mind... so yeah, jrpg's (and strategy rpg's like ff tactics or langrisser or advancedwars) are dying in favor of (in my opinnion) less enjoyable fpsrpg's etc (fallout is an exeption to the rule that fps+rpg dont mix)
--- Quote from: TorturdChaos on January 04, 2010, 01:27:42 AM --- It was like playing through a book.
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and that's why it's AWESOME
Carnivus:
After playing ME2,I can say it is dying out,at least at the beginning of this year.The RPG system was totally toned down to a simple one,ME1 had a great system.I feel that EA had some involvement,I really don't see Bioware doing this.Everything that made ME1 great was castrated or completely removed in ME2.It really darkens my judgement of the overall game,since I love to see what happened to characters after some time.
But now I'm just dissecting a game that deserved better.
Too many shooters appear each year,but RPGs?Just 1-2.That's why they're so good,because they're rare,good and the most recompensing and over-whelming games out there.I am,of course,talking about Western RPGs,since my history with JRPGs revolves around Pokemon games.
Nikaido:
I really didn't like FF 11's system. The whole, having to walk up to your enemy thing annoyed me. I'm one of those people who plays games for the story first. Gameplay is second on the list.
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