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Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« on: December 21, 2009, 05:02:02 PM »
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After doing some research and stuff, I decided to probably go with the Core i5. I'm definitely not going to be running two cards, so I think this is probably the optimal choice. I'm working at college right now, so what I have available to spend is a little bit up in the air. I'm basically trying to build something at a budget system price... that performs a bit better than a budget system. I also want it to last me a while. I don't mind getting some extra ram, but I don't wanna be screwing around with the parts in it every 2 months or so. I want to not have to screw with this thing for at least a year. This is also meant to be a good gaming computer. Now, I don't need to be able to play the newest crap at BLAZING HIGH SPEEDS for an entire year, I just wanna be able to reasonably play any new stuff that comes out, for a while. I don't mind upgrading the graphics card after like a year.

So far, this is the preliminary list. I'll be giving it a lot of thought, and everything here's up for debate, so feel free (in fact, I encourage it) to contest any of the choices.

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131604
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128405
(cost is about the same, feature set is slightly different; probably going with the ASUS board)

About 100 dollars

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215

200 dollars (there's not really much to contest here, it's the only CPU available for this board besides an i7, which I think is overkill for any kind of gaming)

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260
100 dollars. Corsair always looks good, to me. Price looks good, too.

PSU (supposing I find out that my old PSU fizzed out and actually doesn't work):

Cheaper (Will probably be enough to power this set):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008&cm_re=psu-_-17-139-008-_-Product

Expensive (May be a bit overkill for this, since i5 is very efficient; not sure):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005&cm_re=psu-_-17-139-005-_-Product


After some suggestion, this looks better:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004

About 50-100 dollars (40-79 with rebates). The second PSU is actually the one I used in my old PC. If it still works, I see no reason to replace it, since it's a really nice PSU.

GFX Card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130435
About 115 dollars. I'm pretty sure that there's an ATI that's slightly better than this, for the same price. I'm really not sure if this is the thing I should be getting, considering I want the gaming performance to last. This'll probably be the thing I want the most suggestions on.


Leaving this for last, but right now I'm eying the ATI line. Specifically:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102864&cm_re=ati-_-14-102-864-_-Product
The 5770 line looks good. However, prices may go down as something better is released, and I can afford to wait a bit on this.

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133087
75 dollars (50 with rebate)

This case looks better:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066

There's one thing missing, and that's a DVD drive, so I can install an operating system (mine's been busted for a while). The cost of one is rather trivial, but I'll add it in anyway.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118031

about 20 dollars

Oh, and for the sake of completion, some thermal compound for the CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007

9 bucks

Comes down to a little over 600 dollars, I think (there's some rebates to take into account, maybe). Everything else depends on whether my old PSU still works or not. The amount of money I have to spend on this (my budget) depends only on how much I need to spend on this to get a decent system. After that, all of my job money's going to be saved for assorted things, because my computer is really the only thing I need to buy, for a long time. I think the i5 basis is a perfect choice because it overclocks like a monster, and I doubt I'd have to be replacing it for a few years. As for a monitor, I have an old one that works. I'm not much of a "spend money on the monitor" person, so I prioritize everything else.

So now I just need some input on this, and any input is appreciated.

Thanks
« Last Edit: December 23, 2009, 07:29:21 PM by xShadow »

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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2009, 06:40:37 PM »
I would strongly advise against the 400W PSU.

Why not get a ATi 4770. Those cost the same and I think they have the same flops. The RAM bandwidth is problably lower, but unless you love your AA it should be a problem.

I also advise against a thermal Take case. I have an Armor and of the 5 cases I've worked in, it is the worst by far (this includes 2 mini towers, 2 mid towers, and this full tower). The edges are sharp, and the fans that come with it started dying within 2 weeks. I've had to replace all the fans. I'd suggest an Antec if you are looking to save money. Other wise, get a Lian-Li.

One last thing, unless you have a good reason to get a full ATX mother board, I'd buy a mini. With the exception of the last two I've purchased, all the ones I had were full ATC mother boards. With the exception of the DFI mother board (best one I ever owned) I didn't need ANY of the extras the board offered over its mini brothers.

[edit] Nope the RAM is not significantly slower (less then 10% difference), but the GPU is about 90% faster. They cost the same.

[edit2] Another problem with the TT Armor I have. It seems like their should be a bunch of room inside, but when you are working inside it, it seems smaller then you would expect. Its also bulky.
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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2009, 12:08:13 AM »
Either motherboard looks fine to me for the same price, although the Asus P7P55 LX being an ATX board would limit you in your choice of cases if you ever decide to go for a mini-tower case.

I also hear there're some differences betwen the VIA onboard audio on the P7P55 and Realtek onboard audio on the UD2, can't remember which fared better but you might want to look it up (although this is moot if you're using a sound card, of course, or don't care that much about minor differences in audio quality).

As an alternative to the P7P55 LX, there's also the P7P77-M, a microATX version of the P7P55 motherboard that isn't any less fully featured (apart from having 1 less x16 slot and 2 PCI slots, and also missing digital audio-out), although at the moment it's priced slightly higher and doesn't come with free shipping.

You might also want to look out for combo deals, there're usually some that combine motherboard/RAM/case with an i5. If it gives you better savings, consider going for it.



The CX400 is a fine PSU... if you're not doing any gaming, or are gaming with a low-power graphics card. If you intend to go mid-end or high-end on a single graphics card and you plan on pushing your build, I'd suggest a VX550 as a cheaper alternative. You'd hardly miss the fewer connectors, and the overall design is still the same (internally or externally).

And if you can reuse the TX650, by all means do that, it is a good PSU, and assuming your misadventures didn't do anything to it, it should still be serviceable.



In the <$70 range for ATX computer cases I'd readily go for an Antec Three Hundred (I'm not too fond of Lian-Li's budget designs, although I'd agree that they are really good). If you want cheaper than that, Cooler Master has a nice selection of budget cases (the Elite series; I'm personally not too fond of their Centurion series, but it might be to your liking).

I haven't included any microATX-only cases or slimmer cases in the above considerations, But if you do decide that you won't need an ATX board and don't mind spending a little more on the case, I'm always partial to a Silverstone TJ-08. It's a beautiful plain-jane mid-tower (microATX only) that should be sufficient for minimalistic needs
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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2009, 04:29:06 AM »
That GPU, CPU, and mother board together will surely use over 300W unless its always idle. Maybe not the 620W suply, but I think the 520W should be considered. A good power supply may have a price tag, but so does a one that may blow. I, personaly, don't want that extra load. I myself am considering getting another PSU (estimated peak usage is about 600W). Remember the actual power usage is greater then the TDP.

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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2009, 02:26:11 PM »
Alright, after looking over what you guys told me about, I'm revising my selections in a bit (I'm probably just going to update it in the original post, when I get around to it). It's been a pretty big help.
This post is actually ending up to be a bit long (well, not that long, but it's not small), so I think I'll separate some stuff out into spoiler tags; it'll probably make it easier to read.

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Now, a few things I want some clarification on:
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Also, I forgot to say this, but I don't need any hard drives, since my old computer's hard drives have been working fine for years now... and they're still quite serviceable.

Completely irrelevant, but...
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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2009, 03:52:43 PM »
Looks like a good i5 build, but needs 500W+ PSU, since you did mention upgrading the GPU in the future (and probably you'll add a couple of HDD too, like everyone else does). I'd also change the GPU card to a nVidia 250GTS, which costs about the same as a 9800GT (more "muscle" but also a bit higher power req).

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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2009, 04:32:45 PM »
As for those mother boards you asked about, I wouldn't buy either of them, personally (too expensive).

As for saying that Lian-Li cases have poor air flow, they don't. They are wonderful. They are also expensive.



That 5770 is a nice card for the price.

Here are two pages that I think may help with buying a video card.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units

They both give a summery of tech specs for GPUs.

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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2009, 04:41:25 PM »
Some examples:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128403
That one is probably priced so high because (unlike some/most 1156 boards) it seems to be able to fully support running 2 graphics cards in crossfire or sli. Is this incorrect, or is there something else, too?
The UD6 is Gigabyte's top-of-the-line P55 motherboard, and comes with almost all the bells and whistles that an overclocker has come to expect: 20+ power phases, 10 internal SATA ports, SLI connectivity, dual gigabit LAN ports and so on. Most of this stuff is stuff that your typical DIY computer builder or light overclocker won't need (even if they've been conditioned to think they need this stuff).

If you ever feel you have need for such a motherboard, you might as well go for the P55A-UD6 instead, which is only pricier by the cost of shipping, and comes with USB3 and SATA 6Gbps for futureproofing.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121385
... Now this I'm completely kind of baffled by. Are a few extra ports worth twice the price, or is it just that there's something else that I'm not seeing here? <.<;
I'm just wondering if there's any real gain for me in purchasing a more expensive one. Otherwise, I think I'll stick with the ASUS board.. but I also want to make sure that I'm not missing out on something important.
It's an Intel board; for some reason, all of Intel's boards for the higher-end chipsets seem to be priced higher than the competition. The only advantage I see an Intel board having over the competition is the use of an Intel network chip, which are generally acknowledged to be better (by however small an amount) than the usual Marvell/Realtek network chips. And if you believe Intel's engineering department to be better than those of other motherboard manufacturing companies, that may play a part too.

In my opinion, Intel P55 boards above $150 are already in the overpriced range. Unlike P45 boards where you're actually paying for the northbridge (P45) + southbridge (ICH10) chip, when you buy a P55 board you are only buying the P55 chip (which is a southbridge, known in marketing terms as a Peripheral Controller Hub). The southbridge generally costs much less than the northbridge, since it does less work (I/O wise; the northbridge handles memory and PCIe graphics transactions while the southbridge handles networking, storage and PCI + some PCIe transactions, which is generally a smaller load).

Technicalities aside, you're paying the same price as a P45 board even though you're getting one less chip (and it's a pretty important chip too; if you're wondering why you don't need this chip on a P55 motherboard, it's because it's been integrated into the CPU). For that reason alone, even a $100 P55 motherboard is already overpriced.

Add to that an additional storage controller (which gives 4 SATA ports in addition to the 6 already on the P55), HD audio chip, MOSFET coolers (those showy heatsinks around the CPU area, which you generally do not need if you have decent cooling in your case or are an extreme overclocker) and SLI branding, and you have a "high-end" motherboard that is really just a southbridge with lots of third-party addons (and which isn't even capable of triple-SLI without a PCIe bridge chip).

While it is true that a good motherboard is essential to system stability, $200 is way too much to be paying for a motherboard that only has a southbridge. The Gigabyte P55M-UD2 is proof of this, and in fact, it can still afford to be cheaper; I suspect the main reason it isn't priced at $80 is to avoid cannibalising into sales of P45 motherboards. This isn't something that motherboard makers can't really do much about, since Intel sells them P55 chips for slightly less than the price of a P45+ICH10 (and the P55 is nothing more than a tweaked ICH10).

So anyway, no, you do not benefit from buying a pricier P55 motherboard, not when you've already picked a motherboard that fits your needs very well for ~$105 anyway. I base this conclusion on your declaration that you won't be using more than 1 graphics card, and you don't sound like the kind of person who would be trying to break 5GHz on an i5 (which is currently impossible, anyway).



Lastly, contrary to popular belief, you won't actually need a 500+W PSU; in fact, if you can accept the idea, a good 450W PSU is already sufficient for your needs.


Anandtech.com

You can easily see that any of the single-GPU cards gives a system power draw under 400W, even when under load. You will probably want to add another 100W for dual-GPU cards (e.g. GTX295, and ATi X2 cards), but otherwise these numbers are generally valid (you might want to include your own safety margins).

I can't remember if Anandtech's power consumption numbers are consumption-at-wall or DC consumption only, but even if we assume a minimum PSU efficiency of 80% (which is valid if you're using an 80plus-certified PSU; the Corsair PSUs certainly are), system power consumption of 320W means you're just clear at 400W. A 450W PSU will give you 50W of "breathing space" at load; you can go for 500W if you like a bit more "breathing space", but do note that most of the well-built power supplies let you draw more power than they are rated for, for short periods of time, so you're already covered for transient power spikes.

Why should/shouldn't you use a higher-rated PSU then? This isn't necessary reading (even if I like to think it is), so I'll put it in spoiler tags.

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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2009, 05:21:57 PM »
As far as a video card is concerned, just wait for Nvidia to release their next line of products.  That should bring the 5770 and 4890 down to about $150, and you might see some deals on the 5850 in the $200 - $225 range.

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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2009, 04:46:38 PM »
ATI often have better hardware bang for the buck, but software/driver problems keep me with nVidia.
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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2009, 01:52:06 AM »
I currently have an nVidia 9600gt. I took a chance and bought an open box item at New Egg. It turns out that it worked well and I got all the parts that are normally included. Had it not been for that, I would have either purchased another ATi card or simply used my onboard video.

I have heard of ATi's problems with their drivers, but I haven't seen them. Even in Linux I didn't have trouble. The installation of the ATi provided drivers went smoothly, where as the nVidia drivers never worked (I used the Ubuntu provided drivers and still am). The ATi drivers, in both Windows and Linux gave me fewer problems then the nVidia drivers. It took me throughout last semester, and a whole day of my break to get AA to work with NWN2 and Warcraft III (in Windows). I still don't know what I did, just that I did it. The ATi drivers simply worked. Do know that NWN2 is a "made for nVidia" game.

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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2009, 12:42:14 PM »
Alright, folks. After reading the most recent comments, there doesn't seem to be much against my current RAM, CPU, Motherboard, and Case choices, so I decided to go ahead and combine these into my (beta version) shopping cart on Newegg.

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Supposing my old graphics card and PSU still work, I think this set should work just fine, until I get a new graphics card. Most of the debate here is involving the graphics card and PSU anyway.

Anyways, it looks really good. That case is pretty much unbeatable for me, because it includes like 4 fans out of the box, and the fans look like they're pretty decent quality, too (though I wish they'd lose the damn lights; at this rate, I guess I'll have to put some kind of tent over it when I go to sleep. >_>). It has a 10 dollar shipping fee (notice how everything else on my list is free shipping), but eh what the heck... 4 extra fans > 10 dollar shipping fee.

I'm kinda skeptical about putting the PSU on bottom, but I guess it'll work...


One thing, though (this issue is unavoidable, so I don't think it's a problem with the build, really): how many gigs of RAM does Windows 7 support, in 32 bit mode? I'm kinda wondering whether I should go 64 bit... but then again 64 bit has some compatibility problems with games. I'm just wondering if I'll be able to use it to its full extent...

Other than that, the only thing that worries me is that I don't see that many i5 builds out there at all. Most people go for an i7 or Phenom, which kind of makes me wonder... oh well.

Well, unless anyone has some pressing objections to this set, I'm going to order this stuff a bit later today. *Crosses fingers and hopes old PSU still works okay*

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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2009, 02:03:46 PM »
PSU on the bottom actually works well. I have that case, well, Antec 300 none of this illusion stuff, and it's ok, but don't expect top notch build quality. I actually got mine to replace an Antec P160 and the quality of that case far supersedes the 300, but then again I guess it cost more. Also, when it comes to lights, it's amazing what a knife or a pair of scissors can do, snip the cable, and no more light - simple as. Though you can unplug them mostly anyway.

32 bit addressing can account for 3-3.5GB of RAM once GPU RAM is also addressed. For a new build, forget about 32 bit and go for 64, if anything you can dual boot for the few things that won't work, but these days we might as well embrace the future.

As for the i5 vs the i7... The i7 will cost more, and for gaming I wonder how worth it it is. As I do rendering, CAD work and stuff like that an i7 is justified (personally I wouldn't bother with a Phenom). But for gaming, the i7 is just epeen. Overall you've spec'd a pretty cheap machine. I would, however always recommend a decent Corsair PSU - you wouldn't need more than a 550 (already overkill), but a solid PSU is the basis of any good system.


What I would really recommend, instead of coming here and asking a bunch of anime nerds who like to pretend they know hardware when they really don't, head over to the forums at overclockers and post your build on there, where you will actually recieve solid advice from people who know what they're talking about.
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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2009, 02:12:25 PM »
That case is pretty much unbeatable for me, because it includes like 4 fans out of the box, and the fans look like they're pretty decent quality, too (though I wish they'd lose the damn lights; at this rate, I guess I'll have to put some kind of tent over it when I go to sleep. >_>).
You can remove the fans, duct-tape over the LEDs and then replace them. That should make them much dimmer.

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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2009, 04:54:37 PM »
I would wait a bit until the Core i9 comes out because the Core i7 will drop in price. Also Nvidia is coming out with their new 300 series. That will drop more prices.

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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2009, 09:36:49 PM »
I would wait a bit until the Core i9 comes out because the Core i7 will drop in price. Also Nvidia is coming out with their new 300 series. That will drop more prices.

Well the problem with that is that we can say that about any line of cores: they're soon gonna release something that's better than it is. If I wait now, I'll be ready to buy an i7 and they'll be ready to release an i11 or something and it'll be better to hold off and get an i9...

I don't think I wanna screw with that. Unless there's a really good reason to get an i7 over an i5, I don't think I'm going to hold out for one. If I need more speed, I'll overclock the i5 a little bit.

Graphics card is another story, though. I'm not getting one of those until later, so I probably will wait until Nvidia/ATI release their next offering, if it's not too far in the future.

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What I would really recommend, instead of coming here and asking a bunch of anime nerds who like to pretend they know hardware when they really don't, head over to the forums at overclockers and post your build on there, where you will actually recieve solid advice from people who know what they're talking about.

Umm... plenty of you folks have already built computers yourself, and I know many people here do know what they're talking about... otherwise this topic wouldn't have many constructive comments (and it does). You did make me "lol", though, because that is kind of true in a way (I'd end up getting more constructive responses somewhere like that). I just feel more comfortable asking here, though. >_>;

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Overall you've spec'd a pretty cheap machine. I would, however always recommend a decent Corsair PSU - you wouldn't need more than a 550 (already overkill), but a solid PSU is the basis of any good system.

Well, the PSU that I'm hoping isn't messed up is my TX650, which is a good 650 watt corsair PSU. If it is totaled, I'll probably get that 550 watt PSU I listed up there. Maybe a 500 watt, if it's much cheaper. Depends on the graphics card I end up choosing later.

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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2009, 12:46:33 AM »

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What I would really recommend, instead of coming here and asking a bunch of anime nerds who like to pretend they know hardware when they really don't, head over to the forums at overclockers and post your build on there, where you will actually recieve solid advice from people who know what they're talking about.

Umm... plenty of you folks have already built computers yourself, and I know many people here do know what they're talking about... otherwise this topic wouldn't have many constructive comments (and it does). You did make me "lol", though, because that is kind of true in a way (I'd end up getting more constructive responses somewhere like that). I just feel more comfortable asking here, though. >_>;

you may get more posts, but I highly doubt they'd be all that constructive.

Overall your machine looks like a fairly solid low-end build.

Big thing I'd recommend is a Creative X-Fi audio card. Not necessarily the top of the line one, but for about $60 more you can get a decent sound card that will boost performance more than simply getting the next processor up when it comes to games and such not.

I would also recommend AGAINST getting a Sony anything. Their consumer electronics and computer parts are complete fucking garbage.
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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2009, 01:11:02 AM »
You would get fewer people like me who only now is recognising that the power consumption states I've seen are not for the video cards themselves, but rather for the whole system.

Ignore my comments about PSUs aside from "bad power supplies also come with a price tag".

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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2009, 08:22:04 PM »

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Umm... plenty of you folks have already built computers yourself, and I know many people here do know what they're talking about... otherwise this topic wouldn't have many constructive comments (and it does). You did make me "lol", though, because that is kind of true in a way (I'd end up getting more constructive responses somewhere like that). I just feel more comfortable asking here, though. >_>;

you may get more posts, but I highly doubt they'd be all that constructive.

Overall your machine looks like a fairly solid low-end build.

Big thing I'd recommend is a Creative X-Fi audio card. Not necessarily the top of the line one, but for about $60 more you can get a decent sound card that will boost performance more than simply getting the next processor up when it comes to games and such not.

I would also recommend AGAINST getting a Sony anything. Their consumer electronics and computer parts are complete fucking garbage.

Yeah, I've already decided that I was gonna get an audio card. However, that's gonna be later.

About the Sony, if you look at my current shopping cart picture you'll see that I actually replaced it with another drive that's a DVD burner, too, in case I needed to maybe burn a DVD some time.

Now, I didn't quite get around to buying it yesterday (I got busy for some reason), but I'll seriously be buying it today.

On a side note, is it really gonna be THAT low end? I mean, I've accepted the fact that it's cheap and it's not gonna be blazing fast. Oh well, what I bought is what I'll get, I guess. I hope I can run stuff decently on my new POSmachine.

You would get fewer people like me who only now is recognising that the power consumption states I've seen are not for the video cards themselves, but rather for the whole system.

Ignore my comments about PSUs aside from "bad power supplies also come with a price tag".

Not a big deal, considering I wasn't seriously considering a new PSU (yet).

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Re: Need some suggestions on building a new computer
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2009, 09:06:21 PM »
4 GBs of RAM and intel Quad Core is more than enough to play ANY game, graphics card will be your bottleneck by a significant margin.

It's slightly better than my home machine (Q6600) and I consider that a decent machine, basically.
all i can think of when i hear that garbage is just pounding guys in the ass