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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2010, 08:14:19 AM »
It also uses less ram.

Not realy, after 5minuts of surfing it still eat 150mb RAM ;P so no diffrent for me
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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2010, 08:53:25 AM »
Not realy, after 5minuts of surfing it still eat 150mb RAM ;P so no diffrent for me

I'm heavy on the tabs. I think i have 30+ right now open + chatzilla. The usual memory it would eat was around 310mb. Now it's eating around 210.

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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2010, 08:59:35 AM »
It frolicks with about 80MB to about 120MB with little usage.

Chrome is about 13MB to about 54MB.

It's the difference between a full browser vs a webkit.
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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2010, 09:27:49 AM »
I keep going back and forth with chrome and firefox.

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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2010, 09:35:33 AM »
I am curious what you guys/ladies think of these themes.  i have been playing with a few of them and while they are kinda cool looking i'm not sure that they aren't too distracting.

strangely enough typed in safari.

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I also have a few marked in my favorites, I like the fact you can make your own as well ... I have not done that yet.


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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2010, 09:36:16 AM »
I dunno... FF still feels like the most "solid" internet experience. Chrome is pretty awesome, but it's still sort of wobbly at times.

Not sure why even though Chrome is supposed to be higher in compatibility.
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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2010, 03:45:37 PM »
Thing is macs just haven't been the same since they switched from Motorola chipsets to Intel. I mean back in the day, macs were the only computers that could handle large scale video production. These days almost any video production you can do in a mac you can do in a PC, especially with Adobe Premiere. Although I do have to admit that Final Cut Pro will 9 times out of 10 be the superior video editing software of it's kind.

If you're playing with a toy computer sure.  

I guarantee if you're on a well designed PC - it'll crush mac.  Crap - if you factor out the design costs and get one in a ratty looking boxy beige case - you can get twice the computer in a PC than you ever could with a Mac.   ( Though you couldn't comfortably shove the PC up your ass ... the Mac though with all its sexy curves, some KY and that thing will give you hours of fun. [ fyi - I just said Mac design is superior, very good looking.   PCs are a hodgepodge all over the place who knows what you're getting. ] )

*cough*

Anyways - 2.x treated me good.  3.0 was ok ... but every so often I'd find it hogging memory like nuts - not cool.   3.5 disgusted me.   So far ... from a little use, 3.6 seems better than 3.5 - but I need more time to really decide.

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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2010, 04:09:25 PM »
i think what he is referring to is the PPC chips ran the old adobe software, and a few other industry specific titles MUCH faster then the intel/amd counterparts did. Which is why its popularity among graphic designers and the likes.

Currently it is equal or worse then a good windows pc since the highest end of a windows pc is much nicer

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« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2010, 04:26:39 PM »
I honest to god preferred 2.X to 3.5, though.
Really?  I found the entire 2.x branch to be slow as fuck, and was much happier with 3.x (and 3.5 especially).

Nothing like the days of Firefox 0.9, though.

It's not particularly that 3.5 is slower in general, it's just slower at what I need it to do. I don't know if it's just me, but try opening 100+ unique tabs. Then, tell it to bookmark them all. Now watch it sit there for about a minute or more.

It's stuff like that, mainly. It just seems like they didn't do tabs very well. Firefox 2.X didn't sacrifice the amount of CPU/RAM that each tab takes up in order to make the whole program in general run faster. This was extremely convenient for having a lot of tabs open.

Oh, and another thing.

The bookmarks toolbar is really annoying. Usually, I go around reading manga on onemanga.com and then I bookmark the latest chapter in the drop down box arrow thing on the right side (in other words, at the top of the drop down list). Usually, this means just dragging the link over to the right of the bookmarks toolbar.

Well, you can't do that in 3.5. Apparently, there's this funny little thing they implemented where there's an invisible divider that determines whether the link you just dropped down on the toolbar will go to the VERY BOTTOM of the dropdown list instead of the very top. This is annoying as fuck. Imagine having like 300+ links in your toolbar and for some reason the links you're trying to put at the top of the list just magically end up at the bottom. Naturally it's annoying. I didn't have this problem in 2.X. So now, I have to pay attention to where I'm dropping every single link. You have to drop it nearly right on top of the last visible item in your bookmarks toolbar. Why some dumbass made it work that way, I don't know.



In case someone wants to ask, yes, I do regularly surf with over 100 tabs open. I have set Tab Mix Plus to be extremely tab-heavy.

So, does anyone know of a 64-bit version of firefox?

[Edit] NVM, Found this on their wiki http://wiki.mozilla-x86-64.com/Firefox:Download#Firefox_3.6
Unfortunately, there's no full version there. Only RC2 is available.

Why a 64 bit version? The 32 bit one works just fine on 64 bit systems (at least it works fine on my W7 install...).

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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2010, 05:05:59 PM »
It's not particularly that 3.5 is slower in general, it's just slower at what I need it to do. I don't know if it's just me, but try opening 100+ unique tabs. Then, tell it to bookmark them all. Now watch it sit there for about a minute or more.
Do you know of a browser that doesn't lag when you try to bookmark 100+ tabs? Because I don't.

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Well, you can't do that in 3.5. Apparently, there's this funny little thing they implemented where there's an invisible divider that determines whether the link you just dropped down on the toolbar will go to the VERY BOTTOM of the dropdown list instead of the very top. This is annoying as fuck. Imagine having like 300+ links in your toolbar and for some reason the links you're trying to put at the top of the list just magically end up at the bottom.

Open your bookmarks, press the home key to navigate to the beginning of the list, and the end key to go to the bottom. TIL.


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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2010, 06:38:13 PM »
It's not particularly that 3.5 is slower in general, it's just slower at what I need it to do. I don't know if it's just me, but try opening 100+ unique tabs. Then, tell it to bookmark them all. Now watch it sit there for about a minute or more.
Do you know of a browser that doesn't lag when you try to bookmark 100+ tabs? Because I don't.

I don't understand why it would. All a bookmark is... is a link. If you save an HTML file full of 100 links in Microsoft Word, would you get one minute worth of lag? No. That's retarded. I've actually looked at what the bookmarks file in your profile looks like (I've been transferring this profile I'm using across some number of computers now), and all it is is an HTML file. If Firefox has that much trouble appending some 100 categorized links to it, on a good processor, then I think they need a restructuring of that piece of code, because it must be horribly inefficient. I mean, all it does is add a new bookmark folder and shove them all in there. There's something wrong here.

As for your question, I don't know of another browser that has the capability to bookmark all tabs, so I can't test it out.. though I imagine if I could do it with Google Chrome, the results would be better.
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Well, you can't do that in 3.5. Apparently, there's this funny little thing they implemented where there's an invisible divider that determines whether the link you just dropped down on the toolbar will go to the VERY BOTTOM of the dropdown list instead of the very top. This is annoying as fuck. Imagine having like 300+ links in your toolbar and for some reason the links you're trying to put at the top of the list just magically end up at the bottom.

Open your bookmarks, press the home key to navigate to the beginning of the list, and the end key to go to the bottom. TIL.


That's a workaround. There's no excuse for something this counterintuitive to be in the program to begin with. Also, if I just take a random distribution of links and scatter them across the top and bottom of a list, how much less efficient do you think it's going to be, each time, to have to go to the top and bottom of the list to try to find what I'm looking for? A hell of a lot, eventually (though, it's not "eventually" in my case, it's more like I'm already there). Moreover, some of these links aren't necessarily things I'm "looking for". Often times I just go to the bookmarks list to look for mangas that I'm interested in checking for updates. I'm not going to know any specific names, or what I'm searching for, so if one of them just randomly got put on the bottom of my list, it's may, for all practical reasons, go unread forever.

I'll concede that my specific problem is probably not very common, but the fact that the thing functions like that in the first place is something that has absolutely no good excuse.

I may try filing a bug report and seeing if they pick up on it.

Edit: And by one minute worth of lag, I mean the program stops responding ENTIRELY. It's not just lag, it's like it locked up.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2010, 09:02:25 PM by xShadow »

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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2010, 02:56:47 AM »
i think what he is referring to is the PPC chips ran the old adobe software, and a few other industry specific titles MUCH faster then the intel/amd counterparts did. Which is why its popularity among graphic designers and the likes.

Currently it is equal or worse then a good windows pc since the highest end of a windows pc is much nicer then the nicest mac pc

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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2010, 05:40:43 AM »
I don't know if it's just me, but try opening 100+ unique tabs. Then, tell it to bookmark them all. Now watch it sit there for about a minute or more.
I have never had any desire to do anything like that, so whether or not a browser can matters not at all to me.

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So, does anyone know of a 64-bit version of firefox?

[Edit] NVM, Found this on their wiki http://wiki.mozilla-x86-64.com/Firefox:Download#Firefox_3.6
Unfortunately, there's no full version there. Only RC2 is available.

Why a 64 bit version? The 32 bit one works just fine on 64 bit systems (at least it works fine on my W7 install...).
Then you lose the advantages of using 64-bit software.

Thing is macs just haven't been the same since they switched from Motorola chipsets to Intel. I mean back in the day, macs were the only computers that could handle large scale video production. These days almost any video production you can do in a mac you can do in a PC, especially with Adobe Premiere. Although I do have to admit that Final Cut Pro will 9 times out of 10 be the superior video editing software of it's kind.

If you're playing with a toy computer sure. 

I guarantee if you're on a well designed PC - it'll crush mac.
If you're talking about doing rendering or somesuch, all the serious folks use Linux (or possibly one of its close cousins - I don't know enough about them to say).  So that means it's better for desktop usage, amirite?

It frolicks with about 80MB to about 120MB with little usage.

Chrome is about 13MB to about 54MB.

It's the difference between a full browser vs a webkit.
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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2010, 06:35:37 AM »
I don't know if it's just me, but try opening 100+ unique tabs. Then, tell it to bookmark them all. Now watch it sit there for about a minute or more.
I have never had any desire to do anything like that, so whether or not a browser can matters not at all to me.

Well no crap. It's not like I said everyone'll be out doing that, I just pointed out that bookmarking multiple tabs was one thing that 3.5 did horribly inefficiently.
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So, does anyone know of a 64-bit version of firefox?

[Edit] NVM, Found this on their wiki http://wiki.mozilla-x86-64.com/Firefox:Download#Firefox_3.6
Unfortunately, there's no full version there. Only RC2 is available.

Why a 64 bit version? The 32 bit one works just fine on 64 bit systems (at least it works fine on my W7 install...).
Then you lose the advantages of using 64-bit software.

... and may I ask what kind of massive awesomeness is going to ensue when you take a web browser and make it 64 bit? >_>;

No, seriously, I want to know, I'm kind of interested in what makes a 64-bit designed browser so much better than its 32-bit counterpart.

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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2010, 06:39:14 AM »
They finally fixed the tab behavior.

I can die and go to heaven now.

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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2010, 07:18:40 AM »
I don't know if it's just me, but try opening 100+ unique tabs. Then, tell it to bookmark them all. Now watch it sit there for about a minute or more.
I have never had any desire to do anything like that, so whether or not a browser can matters not at all to me.

Well no crap. It's not like I said everyone'll be out doing that, I just pointed out that bookmarking multiple tabs was one thing that 3.5 did horribly inefficiently.
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So, does anyone know of a 64-bit version of firefox?

[Edit] NVM, Found this on their wiki http://wiki.mozilla-x86-64.com/Firefox:Download#Firefox_3.6
Unfortunately, there's no full version there. Only RC2 is available.

Why a 64 bit version? The 32 bit one works just fine on 64 bit systems (at least it works fine on my W7 install...).
Then you lose the advantages of using 64-bit software.

... and may I ask what kind of massive awesomeness is going to ensue when you take a web browser and make it 64 bit? >_>;

No, seriously, I want to know, I'm kind of interested in what makes a 64-bit designed browser so much better than its 32-bit counterpart.
the same fuckin thing as most other programs that use 64 bit vs 32bit it will allow it to utilize your processors capabilities to a much fuller extent. Which should translate to shit working faster and better

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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2010, 08:41:50 AM »

It frolicks with about 80MB to about 120MB with little usage.

Chrome is about 13MB to about 54MB.

It's the difference between a full browser vs a webkit.
* fohfoh shrugs
Uhm, you do understand that Chrome is a browser, right?  Sure, it uses webkit, but saying that it is "a webkit" is like saying Firefox is "a gecko".

If you want to epreen about your minimalistic browser, start using uzbl.
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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2010, 09:01:16 AM »
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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2010, 06:07:50 PM »
after few hours i like 3.6 :)
Yes, there is a little RAM use cut - its ok :)
I didnt noticed the speed up for starting
Still few plugins are not compatible
Persona are great Idea ! like the preview before downloading !

But like xShadow said:
"Nothing like the days of Firefox 0.9, though."

But we need to think about Security thosedays

Security > Performence (but not allways ;) - we dont want to wait 10minuts to ff to start)
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Re: Firefox 3.6 has been released.
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2010, 07:56:37 PM »
I upgraded to 3.6 from 3.5 today and they seem to have the zoom functionality crippled in this version.

It was properly zooming in and out just like a picture, but now it seems to work differently. I wonder what they have changed compared to 3.5 in terms of functionality.

I used it to take proper screenshots of pages, now it will be a problem  :-\