Mass Effect 2

[sapsa]

I finished ME2 few days ago (someone here said it was "wow" game).

About EFI thing, I was thinking you can do anything after, and it all ends when you USE EFI

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After finishing it I was little confuse why Colectors was building Reaper, beacuse before that Shepard got info about Collectors being slaves for Reapers - it was not clear for me, but good that there are place like massefect wiki - Then it was all clear that Reaper controled Collector.

ME2 didn't have kick-ass story like ME1, like the thing with Citadel , but I liked the part with team mate

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Geth in party was WOW, and all the info he gave

The Buy Upgrade - then Buy it again so you can use it was little retarded but the Scan thing on Plantes was more fun than driving on planet.

Summary: all the good things made the bad things less important, and I had good time with this game, sadly I didnt put much effort in romance with Miranda/Talia so I end up without Romance Scene. Only 2 members died at end (I dont miss them, never used them anyway):

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Jack & Doctor

[newy]

They did change not being able to make your companions wear 234324 different outfits I guess, but they do at least have an alternate one after their loyalty mission or maybe more if you have the DLC (I think?). But, your armor didn't really have as much diversity either, although... it was much nicer being able to totally dye the armor however you want. I didn't like any of the non-Onyx armors anyways, especially the heavy ones cause they looked all huge and weird...

I did like being able to slap omni-gel on everything too, cause those mini-games are retarded, in both games. The first one, it was impossible for me to do most the time, so I just had to give myself a ton of omni-gel with console and just do it that way. The second one.... well... I have to just grit my teeth and do them, or not, which sucks. At least with the two upgrades they aren't very hard... just seems like a waste of time to have to spend 15-30 seconds doing some stupid mini-game for like 900-15000 credits when it's so easy to just give myself like 500k with the editor. Kinda forced to do it for the upgrades though...

Being half-naked and going to battle is so realistic, especially in space

LOL You weren't able to solve the mini games in both games but paid for it and ini hacked to get money?! I'm slowly understanding why BW "streamlined" ME2...


sapsa, wasn't it obvious? Didn't you see the hologram of Harbinger or didn't you follow the conversations/dialogues?

[Havoc10K]

I can agree that a lot of ME1 elements were a lot better, if they applied it to ME2 along with what was great about ME2 it would be difficult to make a better game in ME3, I sure hope BW will not do MP in ME3, that will kill the game outright.

About tiff complaining about the game being hard, well i don't suppose a girl that is active socially (has many friends and is actively interacting with them) would be playing a lot of games and got used to shifting controls and many weird stuff most of us are used to and can go on with ease.

(and if she isn't interacting with her friends while looking the way she is, I dare to say, i'm gonna spank her !)

I believe that her point of view as a very casual player is most important, Tiff indeed say the game is hard, but she also said she enjoyed it, that said, if the game is hard but enjoyable it's been done very well, and I hope she will enjoy many other games that she can play whenever she feels like.

I do hope the third installment will be even better, and will provide a little bit more hours of gameplay.

[sapsa]

sapsa, wasn't it obvious? Didn't you see the hologram of Harbinger or didn't you follow the conversations/dialogues?

Not rely, I tried to read/hear all the dialogs, but sometimes I had to skip/disable audio - and forgot to enable subtitles ;P but still I not always understand all of dialogs

[Havoc10K]

question

PC or XboX version ?

[SeventyX7]

PS3 version just came out - that's supposed to have all the dlc and run on the ME3 engine.

And how could I forget - the story in ME1 kicked the SHIT out of ME2's "story."

I use quotations around the word story, because 95% of the game felt like it was me assembling my party, about to undertake some awesome epic mission like in ME1....then the game ended.

[Havoc10K]

the final mission is actually gathering commandos and kicking some soviet ass, you actually expected to fight a horde of reapers now ?

wait a few months for ME3, and screenshot the sign saying it's on ME3 engine, I do want to see that.

[sapsa]

question

PC or XboX version ?

I'm Sony fan, so no xbox
It was PC version.

BTW, ME3 gona be on same Unreal Engine as ME2 O.o

[Tiffanys]

Well, I do have another complaint... Male Shepard has a piss poor voice actor. Female Shepard actually has emotions and actually sounds like she's acting and doing a good job. The male one just has the same monotone voice for everything like all he did was just read the lines and that's it.

[Havoc10K]

yeah that is the known issue with the game, we are discussing this change for ME3, a grand majority of the players do complain about mimics and voice of male shepard, when he smiles he totally freaks people out, i'm seriously scared when he smiles, this is wrong, it's like they are forcing Grumpy to smile and the whole world screams when he tries, Terrible animation and VA is bad,

 female has animation issues as well, but at the very least her VA is great, I love it when I am renegade as female, it is so badass you can feel it

[Tiffanys]

Yeah, like... "Do I look like a looter to you?" She actually has attitude and inflections... The male is just so monotone and almost robotic... ugh I can't even stand to go through an entire playthrough with the male.

I've done the female several times now, but... it sucks you can't romance Tali, Jack or Miranda as a female Shepard (yuriii!)... You just get Liara (if you romanced her in ME1) and Kelly. I guess you could romance Garrus, since he has a good VA and nice personality, but... yeah, I dunno. I don't think I'd do a Turian. Especially with the..... dangers... And well, Thane's practically a lizard and he's dying in a year anyways. Besides, then you'd probably get conned into looking after that kid of his, even though he is an adult... Not even remotely interested in Jacob... So yeah, icky romance options for female Shep. Oh well....

[Havoc10K]

doing the game as male only for Tali, doing the game as female, cuz it kicks ass, if Tali could be done as Female shep, i would stay as my Renegade, i only did her Loyalty mission as Paragon, cuz I can't be mean to her, simple as that.

[Tiffanys]

doing the game as male only for Tali, doing the game as female, cuz it kicks ass, if Tali could be done as Female shep, i would stay as my Renegade, i only did her Loyalty mission as Paragon, cuz I can't be mean to her, simple as that.

Actually.... The true Renegade option on Tali's loyalty quest is the nicest one to her.

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The "bad" option is saying it was her father's fault and giving them the evidence.

The Renegade option is the actual red option saying like "This is some bullshit! It shouldn't even matter! Tali, we're leaving. This is a waste of time!" And then you accuse all of them of being petty and having ulterior motives and stuff and they end up acquitting her of all charges and she thanks you.

[Havoc10K]

oh yeah I forgot about that renegade option, and I did take it, it was like :
A
A
B
 

Personally, I would just take out the assault riffle out and shoot them down, honestly, that was so much bullshit I could barely hold myself back from killing the TV

Politics, I hate them even in games

[JoonasTo]

Tali loyalty mission is kickass as a renegade, even better if you bring legion on board. Suck it you bloody morons!

Yeah, like... "Do I look like a looter to you?" She actually has attitude and inflections... The male is just so monotone and almost robotic... ugh I can't even stand to go through an entire playthrough with the male.

I've done the female several times now, but... it sucks you can't romance Tali, Jack or Miranda as a female Shepard (yuriii!)... You just get Liara (if you romanced her in ME1) and Kelly. I guess you could romance Garrus, since he has a good VA and nice personality, but... yeah, I dunno. I don't think I'd do a Turian. Especially with the..... dangers... And well, Thane's practically a lizard and he's dying in a year anyways. Besides, then you'd probably get conned into looking after that kid of his, even though he is an adult... Not even remotely interested in Jacob... So yeah, icky romance options for female Shep. Oh well....

THIS!
Totally sucked playing female Shep in the second for romances. At least we had Kaidan and Liara in the first. Now we have, what? A bloody fanboy, a lizard looking for a pity relationship and a guy who has serious daddy issues and is a total jackass.


Don't be touching my Tali you freaks, she's not gay, she's my Rheia's most trusted friend!
And it'd be totally akward if it turned out she was gay with Rheia having done Liara in the first already. 


PS. Yeah, male shepard is pretty horrible, I played him for like 5 minutes and went all, I can't take this shit anymore. Back to another fem.

[Havoc10K]

Well, I like Tali the way she is cuz she is sweet, if they made an Anime out of this game, I would watch it 40 times, just for Tali
her VA is fitting this girl's personality like nothing I seen thus far, playing Male only for Tali is the only choice, anything else is not needed, hell I even played the game so that only me and Tali stayed alive hahahah,
 YES MIRANDA DEAD AS WELL !!!
"Or does Cerberus let you whore around in that suit?" damn epic !!!

it's annoying me as hell, I just want to put a bullet in her, Jack is fun, Tiff pointed out the funniest thing about her, with Renegade options she does say that, it's so sweet, as Male shepard I let that moron in the Jack's Loyalty mission live, as Female, i let him DIE !!!!

It's funny how we love Renegade so much, because the game lets us be unforgivable, oh the humor of mankind is so sweet

that said, gonna make another playthrough on my Female HAHAH!

[Tiffanys]

Not like the Citadel Council is any better. They get proof Sovereign is real then just fancily dismiss it as a joke and call you crazy. The jerks...

The way I saw it though was...

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If your country is being attacked by an enemy and you're a military leader, you're obligated to protect your people's leaders. I mean, the political ramifications..... People would look at humans as being so selfish if we let the council die just to save some of our own lives to take out Sovereign, even if that was the most tactically wise decision.

I suppose the best decision for the strength of the Alliance (humans) would be to let the council die and then attack. But, it's pretty clear this isn't just about human survival, and damn sure not human supremacy... it's about the fate of the entire galaxy, all kinds of life. And well, saving the Council which represents all that life, I think, is the best way to promote your intentions.

And besides, it's nice being able to throw it back in their faces and have them on your side since you saved their lives, even if only in words. When it gets right down to it, I think that decision in ME1 will play a pretty big role in ME3 as well. I suspect the Rachni Queen decision will as well, and the Geth decision in ME2.

Speaking of the Geth decision..... What did you guys decide to do on Legion's loyalty quest, and why?

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Me, on my first playthrough I converted all the heretic Geth to the way of thinking of the other Geth. I figured if the Geth were against the Reapers, then being stronger would be best.

But after that I heard Legion and Tali's confrontation and Legion saying that the Quarians would pay for what they did to the Geth... I didn't like that. Not one bit.

So, on my second playthrough I destroyed the heretics. I'd destroy them in their entirety if I could. In the end, I see it as organics vs synthetics and Geth are on the losing side. Although I guess Reapers are technically the fusion of organic and synthetic, if you can easily reprogram an entire race with just a virus... that's too dangerous.

Although, I dunno... Weren't the Rachni controlled by the Reapers too? Well, at least they're biological. I trust them a lot more than I do the Geth. The Geth have always been enemies... to hell if I'm going to let them live. I'll destroy every last one of them if I get the chance....

Oh and what decisions did you guys make at the very end of ME2?

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I did both. The first time, I figured it'd be a good idea to make technological advancements.

But later I got to thinking about it and really... that base has Reaper tech. Every single time we've come in contact with Reaper tech, someone's gotten indoctrinated and things always go really badly, hidden viruses and who knows what else. What's worse, is also thinking about Reapers wanting us to go down a certain path of advancement and using their very own technology would be doing exactly that. Although, I doubt they fought races they weren't superior to. I mean, obviously if our shields and weapons were as powerful, we'd win. So, I dunno. I don't think we can get that far fast enough though. It'll be interesting to see how we destroy all those reapers in ME3.

And besides..... That Illusive Man bastard was so shady and untrustworthy..... Even if he did help fight the Reapers, I wouldn't want to see what he'd do with the Galaxy after that. I'm human, and I like the advancement of humanity and all... but I don't think we deserve absolute dominance over the galaxy, and certainly not under Cerberus command. We've seen what atrocities they've committed... There's no way I'd give the Galaxy to terrorists.

[Havoc10K]

Tiff, in ME1 I saved the council on Male shep, simply cuz since Tali will be in ME3 I want to get on with her, if not, I will just kill anything, simple,
Male shep is my main so I Saved the council, reprogrammed the Geth, and flushed the base and destroyed it, why ?

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-The Council received note of how I betrayed the Cerberus in the end
-The Quarrians and the Geth worked out a peace treaty to ensure forces against the Reapers
-The Krogans under Wrex's leadership took up a high time in weapon development and gatehred all clans to stand up agains the greatest trheat ever to come, granting the Krogans their well deserved battle of a lifetime with being completely wiped out or surviving as the condition of outcome, nothing better for a Krogan to fight hard than the though of instant deat hawaiting them
-The Salarians gathered enough information from Shepard's reports to evade the Council and launch a full out scale armada to aid him/her in the inevitable war
-The Turians rounded up all their mighty fleets to aid Shepard basing on the reports from Shadow Broker and testimony of Garrus.
-The Asari Join in the fight under the persuasion of the most noble warrior among the Asari - Samara
-The Alliance fleets Strike back at the Reapers quickly basing on the reports from Shadow Broker, and those of Shepard's proven being accurate.
-The Battarians join in to help saving their own lives, and maybe the rest of the Galaxy ...
-The other races help where they can.
-The Rahni Queen promised her aid when the time comes, lets hope she will remember that, you know, she is a queen, might be a bit busy
-The Geth are battle ready.


so the scenario is easy, Shepard, by logical terms, should by now in ME3 have the option to visit home worlds of Asari, Turians and Salarians, and possibly Earth (Come on! were Humans, 2 games without a visit home ?) firstly we should be able to visit Turians in the first place, persuade to your suicide plan (again, why is it suicide ? it's so easy to survive, it's actually hard to get killed!) stating where and when and how to attack Reapers when they arrive, showing weak points in their defenses and all that, which is easy cuz Reapers are high and mighty they will have little defenses,

then we visit Salarians and do the same, we should discuss the data we collected from the collectors ship, do remember that we do have obtained a formidable amount of data, before destroying the base, The Illusive Man doesn't know about it obviously, you can actually see the data shown to Shepard at the end of the game, Salarians can do a lot of good with that data, using the information against reapers is a good idea, but developing around that area is not smart, Reapers gave the tech on their own, just to wipe us out showing that we are of no match to them, even if we know their technology, Salarians will fix that attitude.

Visiting the Asari is gonna be quick at first, convince them to help, etc, do some impossible task, again, make em drop jaws. PROFIT.

now if my logic thinking is accurate, by now, the Geth and Quarrians either killed eachother out, or formed an alliance, and Tali is likely someplace in the center, maybe even with out child, dunno, if she is not gonna be a playable character (semi playable actually) then I do want to see her face, if I can have her on my team, I don't need to see her face, her presence is all I need , back to topic, we should be able to easily convince both parties to cooperate and do some damage, after all, both races, the Geth and Quarrians are engineering experts, they should come up with some super damage sabotage when we need it
Also, I want Legion and Tali in my team !

The Alliance Fleet, they can fuck themselves, if they don't want to help, GTFO of my way, I bet the politics will do everything to NOT help, and will die a horrible death, and then Hacket (Admiral Hacket) will take on the leading role here.

then we just do some mundane missions, gather some resources, transform Normandy into a robot, and save the galaxy once again
well, not a robot but upgrading stuff, gathering weapons and armor, some tech, and wipe.

[JoonasTo]

Tali roxorz everyone who plays this game I know agrees on that. She is just so amazing. One guy I know even replayed ME1 to not romance anyone to get Tali only in the second.  

My Rheia was a Cold blooded bitch. Pretty much like I have a tendency to be at times. Be infinitely kind to those close to you and infinitely cruel to everyone else. Add to that strategic thinking and some psychology and we get a nice tactical leader.
She was also a pro humanist. And she hates Cerberus more than anyone else in the whole universe, she was the (almost) sole survivor of the Cerberus thresher maw tests on Akuze. Earthborn, infiltrator. Prefers tactical precision strikes to cripple the enemy. This made the whole relationship with cerberus a very interesting idea. She recognises them as the option she needs, she likes their style and agrees to part of their agenda but she hates them to the core.

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In the first game end, saving council means diminishing our chances to take out the sovereign. That was our only chance. There's no political leadership worth rescuing for that. If we were talking about a genious military leader then maybe, but what was the council made of? Succesfull politicians, incompetent in military issues, even anti-human at times. Not worth it.

Letting council die also has other wanted repercussions, number one is the obvious distress over humanity having the biggest and baddest fleet. This will lead to other races bulking up their navy. Especially the turians with whom we've had older disputes. Arms race is the best way to increase technological achievements and prepare the races for the coming war.

Negative issues are obviously the disputes between humans and the rest of the races but whent he reapers really come, there will be one big bad to concentrate on. Nothing unifies people better than an outside threat.

I'm expecting Rachni to be sending some reinforcements, not many. They lack any real power needed for galactic warfare but can prove a tactical weapon due to their abilities. We can't just ignore the fact that the single queen has complete control over her swarm, it's absolute. If she says she is indebted to us and keeps her word that's something unimaginable. We can wipe them out easily now that they aren't holed up in their own toxic homeworld and we're way above in fleet so they are easily dealt with if needed.

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Truthfully, I don't remember what I did with the geth. We know they are an AI so they do not have feelings so to speak. They think logically, majority is the winner. We know that Legion will aid us but it's only one platform we don't know what the rest think. A strong geth race are a problem after the reaper war they would be strong enough to wipe us out. On the other hand, the renegades are a small faction, not big enough to strenghten the geth in a significant way so it's the same what you do with them. It's one decision that shouldn't have repercussions, except if you let them live the geth have a lot of outposts in council space we aren't aware of. That's a major intelligence advantage that doesn't help us in any way but is like a crown jewel to the geth. In the end Legion and the geth are logical machines so they won't care about destroying the renegades. I see no good in letting them live, so I probably fried them. Unless geth suddenly turn human in the third and develop sympathy.

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I gave it to cerberus, we know one reaper is enough to wipe out our whole fleet. We cannot let go of such a possibility. True Cerberus will propably try to wrestle control with the technology from there but that's smaller from two evils. If needed to Rheia will go put a bullet through the Illusive man's eye herself.

[Havoc10K]

You did it all wrong there, :

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True the council is pussy, but with them there it maintained order, and when you save them, Humanity gets a seat in the Council anyways, question is who you are sending there, better send Anderson, cuz the otehr asshole is your worst enemy, and will not abide with any proof you bring him, if you wipe out the Council, other races will look down at mankind as cunning and ruthless, even more than they are, the council was standing there to make the hardest choices, input from the main players is important, monopolizing the council by wiping experienced members is not only bad politically, but also takes out all the knowledge about what they already dealt with, i doub't they took notes.  The Turians will still look down on us, they will build up their army simply out of jealousy, besides, no matter how you look at it, The Citadel was taken by surprise, Turian fleet is the largest one in the entire Galaxy, if all their ships were to go to the Citadel, it would be black around it, and Sovreign would say "LOL WOOT?!?! ONE SHOTTED !"

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you didn't read carefully enough, Legion was one platform yes, but he had over 1100 programs in him (geth Entities are programs) so there were basically over 1100 geth in Legion hence his name"We are called Legion, for we are many" I wouldn't doubt Legion and Geth loyalty to Shepard, since he could simply raid their asses.

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The get hand Heretics are the pure reason why you should dump the base, the geth claim that self development is the best way, when you are give results, you ignore possible way around and other discoveries, Geth are outside of Reapers plan, thus they pose the greatest threat to Reapers, basing on that judgement, dumping the base and develop on your own is the best way, now researching one thing you will be able to test out other things to use with it, when you have a ready product, you only research other uses it has much later on, which is kind of useless

also, if you are really a Cerberus Hater as a character, doing that just lost your point there