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iindigo:
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--- Quote from: iindigo on April 22, 2010, 06:54:34 AM ---
--- Quote from: fohfoh on April 22, 2010, 06:41:39 AM ---Sigh... does it consistently do this? or is it some random spike?
Even on a mac, I really don't think that it should do that. (Sorta want powermac to confirm this)
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At least in my findings, it's consistent, and much more severe on less powerful systems. Just a moment ago I tested the same exact video on my single-core 2.1Ghz PowerPC G5 iMac, and processor usage wavered up and down between 70% and 85%. In cases when viewing 480p or higher video, skipping in the video playback is not uncommon because the processor is so inundated.
When not weighed down by Flash, the system can handle well-encoded 720p material just fine.
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<_<
* fohfoh sniffs a "If you want to watch youtube videos, don't buy a Mac" commercial in the making.
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Who says you need Flash for YouTube? I have ClickToFlash installed, which allows Safari (and other Webkit browsers) to stop flash elements from automatically loading unless clicked. In the case of YouTube, it gives you the option of playing the video with the Quicktime browser plugin instead, or even ripping it from the page and viewing it in QT player separately (comes in handy when you want more playback control).
Even without that, you can enroll in YT's HTML5 beta, which works pretty nicely. The player is written entirely in HTML5 and the video is H.264. No plugins are required for it to work... all you have to do is view it with a WebKit browser (it would work with Firefox, but they've got their panties in a bundle over using Ogg Theora over H.264).
Flash is a dying beast.
EDIT: Gah, Sstin beat me on the second half :P
kyanwan:
--- Quote from: iindigo on April 21, 2010, 11:22:31 PM ---I really can't blame Apple for not allowing Flash on iPhone/iPad/etc... it's really bad on OS X, and an iPhone OS port of flash would be little more than a recompiled version of the Mac flash for a different processor architecture. Adobe seems completely unwilling to make Flash a lean beast, which is unfortunate since THAT would do a lot to attract developers in itself. They're trying to push it as a desktop development suite... if they went whole-hog into optimization and provided a cross-platform alternative to Java that took way less resources than it and didn't have the characteristic Java lag, they'd really have a gold mine. But no, they insist on sitting on their shitty old code.
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You serious there? Attract more developers?
I'd like it if they redid Flash into requiring you to know something akin to assembler or something - to turn away the plethora of lame loser developers there are out there. Everyone and their grandma does Flash. Too much of it is garbage.
iindigo:
--- Quote from: kyanwan on April 22, 2010, 06:18:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: iindigo on April 21, 2010, 11:22:31 PM ---I really can't blame Apple for not allowing Flash on iPhone/iPad/etc... it's really bad on OS X, and an iPhone OS port of flash would be little more than a recompiled version of the Mac flash for a different processor architecture. Adobe seems completely unwilling to make Flash a lean beast, which is unfortunate since THAT would do a lot to attract developers in itself. They're trying to push it as a desktop development suite... if they went whole-hog into optimization and provided a cross-platform alternative to Java that took way less resources than it and didn't have the characteristic Java lag, they'd really have a gold mine. But no, they insist on sitting on their shitty old code.
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You serious there? Attract more developers?
I'd like it if they redid Flash into requiring you to know something akin to assembler or something - to turn away the plethora of lame loser developers there are out there. Everyone and their grandma does Flash. Too much of it is garbage.
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That's true... it does indeed damage Flash's reputation. It's similar to how the scores of terrible Java programmers have given Java a reputation for being slow and clunky.
PowerMac:
--- Quote from: fohfoh on April 22, 2010, 06:41:39 AM ---Sigh... does it consistently do this? or is it some random spike?
Even on a mac, I really don't think that it should do that. (Sorta want powermac to confirm this)
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My old Laptop was a 1.33Ghz iBook G4 and it was incapable of playing many flash videos due to the high CPU use. CPU would be 80-90% when playing most flash videos and if you had anything else using the CPU, forget the video. This was pretty much constant and not a spike.
My new MacBook is much less on the CPU use, using about 30% this is on a 2Ghz Core 2 Duo Processor. I have not tried the HTML5 YouTube player, but I have heard it uses about half the CPU that the flash version does. iindigo can you verify this?
fohfoh:
Wow... that's fucked up. I haven't used a mac in a while, but even then, I don't recall flash being that screwy on a mac.
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