My PS3 is full of fail...

[NaRu]

well I rather use my PS2 to play PS2 games

[kurandoinu]

That doesn't matter, was merely pointing out that it had to be an old fat one BECAUSE of the fact she was using a ps2 game.

[vuzedome]

Mine had zero problems since it arrived.

[sapsa]

im impresed good if your ps3 work again,
To confirm - it is the OLD Fat one ? not the slim one ? (60gb tells me its fat one, but hdd can be switched)

PS2 compatibility can't though

Right, forgot about PS2 Game involved - i was more impressive about heat gun thing ;p

@: Great to hear that yous ps3 is fine, but I noticed that ALOT and I'm saying ALOT of FAT Generation 1 (ps2 compatiblity) PS3 are geting YLOD after 1-2years of working. Im just waiting for rev2 of ps3 slim, to avoid "version 1" problems. And im hoping they will finaly crack ps3 security - cuz I cant event watch .mkv on ps3 - and they going to remove OtherOS from old one to with newest firmware update.

[fohfoh]

From most reviews, there aren't many "version 1 problems" on the slim. Not many of the problems that are any different to a fat PS3 anyways.

[ant900]

and they going to remove OtherOS from old one to with newest firmware update.

where did you hear that from?  I don't want my Yellow Dog to be removed =/

[sapsa]

and they going to remove OtherOS from old one to with newest firmware update.

where did you hear that from?  I don't want my Yellow Dog to be removed =/

Still its a rumor, but its posible rumor. Alot for PS3 portals post it... Sony want to "close" door to making exploits that way - so one day you do update fw and the next day you cant access YellowDog - so if rumor will be true there will be ps3 revolution

[fohfoh]

and they going to remove OtherOS from old one to with newest firmware update.

where did you hear that from?  I don't want my Yellow Dog to be removed =/

Still its a rumor, but its posible rumor. Alot for PS3 portals post it... Sony want to "close" door to making exploits that way - so one day you do update fw and the next day you cant access YellowDog - so if rumor will be true there will be ps3 revolution

Uhh... annoyance? Probably. Revolution? No. Except for maybe a band of retarded monkey children who don't actually do coding themselves but take coding and act if all gifts on the earth should be theirs for the taking.

The PSP has been this way for a while now. People just find a new work around.

[Mag-X]

I don't understand why you would want to run Linux on the PS3 anyway, besides just for funzies. It lacks RAM, no access to GPU, and doesn't the cell processor also run slow, and only let you access one core? Sounds like a terrible computing experience to me.

[fohfoh]

I don't understand why you would want to run Linux on the PS3 anyway, besides just for funzies. It lacks RAM, no access to GPU, and doesn't the cell processor also run slow, and only let you access one core? Sounds like a terrible computing experience to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but each cell has all of the above components built in. They are all merged into 1 chip.

[Gamerzhell]

I don't understand why you would want to run Linux on the PS3 anyway, besides just for funzies. It lacks RAM, no access to GPU, and doesn't the cell processor also run slow, and only let you access one core? Sounds like a terrible computing experience to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but each cell has all of the above components built in. They are all merged into 1 chip.

Sorry but you are wrong fohfoh.

The Cell microprocessor is actually 8 physical cores with 1 disabled.

To my understanding, 1 is used for general calculations while 6 are specialized cores for something or rather.

Putting the Cell CPU, RAM and GPU on one chip would make the PS3's price go up even further due to the immense cooling required and not provide much of a performance gain over upgrading the CPU or GPU.

edit: from wikipedia
"The PlayStation 3 uses the Sony, Toshiba, IBM-designed Cell microprocessor as its CPU, which is made up of one 3.2 GHz PowerPC-based "Power Processing Element" (PPE) and eight Synergistic Processing Elements (SPEs). The eighth SPE is disabled to improve chip yields. Only six of the seven SPEs are accessible to developers as the seventh SPE is reserved by the console's operating system. Graphics processing is handled by the NVIDIA RSX 'Reality Synthesizer', which can output resolutions from 480i/576i SD up to 1080p HD. The PlayStation 3 has 256 MB of XDR DRAM  main memory and 256 MB of GDDR3 video memory for the RSX."

The Nvidia RSX 'Reality Synthesizer' is another name for 7800GTX.

[shadowbolter]

I don't understand why you would want to run Linux on the PS3 anyway, besides just for funzies. It lacks RAM, no access to GPU, and doesn't the cell processor also run slow, and only let you access one core? Sounds like a terrible computing experience to me.

Wrong-o bud, quite the opposite effect actually. Basically you turn your PS3 into a home desktop computer, well it sort of already is but a better one. If you have an HDTV you can get a pretty nice high resolution desktop of 1920x1080.  PS3's processor is extremely fast, a whole lot faster than your PC's.  As for the GPU a new kernel for Linux was recently compiled that will allow you to use the PS3's GPU so that problem is solved. It allows it to play WMV, RM and Quicktime files, which otherwise are not detected by a PS3. What this in turn means is that you can now watch all your favorite movies and listen to your favorite music albums on your console without the need of PS3 media server. Don't get me wrong, its a good program but it can be a hassle to stream stuff sometimes.

There's much more but in essence... Its everything you could ever want it to be.

[vuzedome]

What is this particular linux kernel?
I'm curious.

[Mag-X]

I don't understand why you would want to run Linux on the PS3 anyway, besides just for funzies. It lacks RAM, no access to GPU, and doesn't the cell processor also run slow, and only let you access one core? Sounds like a terrible computing experience to me.

Wrong-o bud, quite the opposite effect actually. Basically you turn your PS3 into a home desktop computer, well it sort of already is but a better one. If you have an HDTV you can get a pretty nice high resolution desktop of 1920x1080.  PS3's processor is extremely fast, a whole lot faster than your PC's.  As for the GPU a new kernel for Linux was recently compiled that will allow you to use the PS3's GPU so that problem is solved. It allows it to play WMV, RM and Quicktime files, which otherwise are not detected by a PS3. What this in turn means is that you can now watch all your favorite movies and listen to your favorite music albums on your console without the need of PS3 media server. Don't get me wrong, its a good program but it can be a hassle to stream stuff sometimes.

There's much more but in essence... Its everything you could ever want it to be.

Even if the cell processor is faster than my Core i5 750, it doesn't matter since I've yet to see it hit 100% load. ..and I have my doubts that the cell processor can be faster than my i5. No matter how advanced it was, we're talking about a CPU that came out over three years ago.
A 7800GTX is weak sauce, but fine for just running an OS, but 256MB of RAM sounds just painful. Not to mention, how much software is there for PowerPC? It sounds like a fun nerd toy, but not something I would ever consider using on a regular basis.

[Tatsujin]

I don't understand why you would want to run Linux on the PS3 anyway, besides just for funzies. It lacks RAM, no access to GPU, and doesn't the cell processor also run slow, and only let you access one core? Sounds like a terrible computing experience to me.

Wrong-o bud, quite the opposite effect actually. Basically you turn your PS3 into a home desktop computer, well it sort of already is but a better one. If you have an HDTV you can get a pretty nice high resolution desktop of 1920x1080.  PS3's processor is extremely fast, a whole lot faster than your PC's.  As for the GPU a new kernel for Linux was recently compiled that will allow you to use the PS3's GPU so that problem is solved. It allows it to play WMV, RM and Quicktime files, which otherwise are not detected by a PS3. What this in turn means is that you can now watch all your favorite movies and listen to your favorite music albums on your console without the need of PS3 media server. Don't get me wrong, its a good program but it can be a hassle to stream stuff sometimes.

There's much more but in essence... Its everything you could ever want it to be.

Even if the cell processor is faster than my Core i5 750, it doesn't matter since I've yet to see it hit 100% load. ..and I have my doubts that the cell processor can be faster than my i5. No matter how advanced it was, we're talking about a CPU that came out over three years ago.
A 7800GTX is weak sauce, but fine for just running an OS, but 256MB of RAM sounds just painful. Not to mention, how much software is there for PowerPC? It sounds like a fun nerd toy, but not something I would ever consider using on a regular basis.

CELL broadband processor was finalized in 2004, then was transferred to the PS3 in 2005-2006. >_>;;

[sdedalus83]

Even if the cell processor is faster than my Core i5 750, it doesn't matter since I've yet to see it hit 100% load. ..and I have my doubts that the cell processor can be faster than my i5. No matter how advanced it was, we're talking about a CPU that came out over three years ago.

In highly optimized, well designed, streamlined processes, requiring single precision floating point operations, the Cell is considerably faster than your i5, probably twice as fast.  Considering that you come across such situations in normal desktop usage just about only when you use distributed computing programs, like folding@home, you end up dealing with the Cell's horrible inefficiency with code that isn't crafted perfectly, along with its poor integer and double precision performance.  Last year's version of YDL ran much more slowly on my PS3 than Linux ever did on my original Xbox.

Shadowbolter - If you're going to pull out theoretical performance numbers which mean nothing in the real world, at least mention that a $100 PC GPU (HD4850) is faster than the Cell and RSX combined.  Sure, it's meaningless for anything but folding, but so is the theoretical performance of the Cell when discussing anything outside of highly specialized coprocessor applications.

[Mag-X]

CELL broadband processor was finalized in 2004, then was transferred to the PS3 in 2005-2006. >_>;;

Wow. That's like Pentium IV and Athlon 64 time.

It's amazing Naughty Dog was able to squeeze Uncharted 2 out of that thing. Just think what they could do with modern hardware.

[sapsa]

Even if the cell processor is faster than my Core i5 750, it doesn't matter since I've yet to see it hit 100% load. ..and I have my doubts that the cell processor can be faster than my i5...

Thats why you wrong... PS3 Cluster bypass/crack SSL certyficate, its was 256 ? or 512bit, so.... IMPRESSIVE !
I need to add that its the CHEAPEST Cluster w/o lossing POWER !

[Tatsujin]

CELL is not a desktop processor, like Core i7, Core 2 Quad and other processors. It's a super computer processor, so ... yeah.

[sdedalus83]

CELL is not a desktop processor, like Core i7, Core 2 Quad and other processors. It's a super computer processor, so ... yeah.

*facepalm*  It's a coprocessor in supercomputer applications, not a processor.  Almost every design using cell processors uses a cell paired in a node with an Opteron or a Xeon (which only differ from the desktop parts in number of interconnects and cache size) for use as a floating point coprocessor.  For double precision FP and integer calculations, as well as general purpose use, the OOE x86 processors run rings around the Cell.