Author Topic: Final Fantasy 13, the day has finally come (Read 15450 times)

forsaken · « **Reply #80 on:** March 20, 2010, 01:38:23 AM »

I'm well into the game now, Chapter 11, and I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with the battle system. My thumb literally hurts because all I'm doing is pressing X (auto-whatever). Constantly just pressing that button, because it's so boring that I can't pay attention all the time... Sure I gotta change paradigms, but if a tough boss fight takes more than 15 minutes and you're constantly just pressing X it is kinda tiresome...

The storyline is alright. I have to say I got more into it in previous FFs.

Graphics and Animation still don't cease to astound me. The maps, locations, character and monster models are all stunning. SE have done a bang-up job in this department. Now I know they're known for delivering on this end anyway, but the PS3 is where it's at

The last graphical jump of this magnitude was probably VI -> VII

I'm gonna finish the game before I give it a final verdict, but for now I can say that I was hoping for slightly more by this point in the game...

kyanwan · « **Reply #81 on:** March 20, 2010, 01:26:57 PM »

Quote from: godcheese on March 18, 2010, 12:32:34 AM

mmm I just got to Gran Pulse, 30 hours into the game total... ive completed about... 5 c'ieth stone quests ranging from dodging high powered monsters I couldn't possibly fight yet to walking over there and smashing X while I browse 4chan.

GIGADUNK!
( I wish I could make it flashing in 5 different colors. )

I've been watching someone else play it (FF series really lost me with X - that's the last one I personally bought ... and never played. ) From my viewpoint - I see: all graphics, not much more. I've also heard whining bout the battle system ( with 12 being superior - and from my viewpoint, yeah, it did look better ....... )

But come to think of it - couldn't you play most FF with a coffee can resting on one of your controller's buttons ( or maybe even a piece of tape - if you're not "mechanically inclined". )

In regard to the movie aspect - I'm surprised - with next gen systems with such amazing graphics ... that Square & other devs still feel the need to make cutscenes like that. You'd think there would be more interactive dialog ... say ... like Fallout 3 had ( just regular old game sprites - very high res & detailed of course - and you interact with them in the "cutscene". Better done, though. )

To me it's looking like an all around decent game - I'd give it a 7/10.

Oh. Another gripe of mine - while your characters have decent outfits - the townspeople I've seen are disgusting.

I mean, come on - how creative is it to just skin them all with underwear? Pathetic.

[edit / update]

Ok - I got sick of hearing about it and went for some more in-depth personal experience with this shit.

Emphasis on the shit.

Graphics: 10/10
Sound: 10/10
Gameplay: 0/10
Storyline: ... something/10
Battle system: 0/10
Gameplay Depth: 2/10 ( I guess the characters give this game some "depth". )
Replay Value: 0/10
Auto-battle system: -1000000000/10 ( omg wtf? I'm seeing bosses downed with your eyes closed - LITERALLY! No, really - try it. Fight a boss with your eyes closed. You'll win. )

Is this a Final Fantasy? No.
Is this an RPG? No.
Is this something I want to pay for? No.
Is this a game? No.
Is playing 1 character in a Final Fantasy game fun? No.
Does this suck dick? Yes.

My Revised score: 5/10. I guess because they worked one hell of a long time on the graphics and sound. Other than that - this game sucks a hairy nutsack. Compared to twelve, this is bukakke - in your face - and you're not enjoying it.

Further simplification of this series from the heyday of what it was ( think: 6/7/8 ) to now - is just smashing it for the old core.

I guess for some people, hey - a "well structured linear game" may be their cup of tea.

For those of us who like to be challenged by their games ... rather than playing a slide puzzle where you always win - this just slaughters the series.

FF was complex in the past. Now it's Myst - with improved graphics, and bonus T&A (+1) - or what was that linear game where everything was right-wrong back in the late 90s - that had great graphics .... I forget. Something with a speedboat and guns. It looked good, was like a "choose your path" book - and pretty much a play it once and toss it game.

I'm glad as fuck that I didn't buy this shit. The FF series is dead to me. Glad there's stuff like Fallout coming back out of the woodwork to save us RPG folks who enjoy a complex game with a rich storyline & many options ... to have a load of fun.

nstgc · « **Reply #82 on:** March 20, 2010, 06:06:18 PM »

It gets better as you go along and it does feel like a final fantasy game. Its not the best. I think the last truly good FF game was 9.

Nikran · « **Reply #83 on:** March 20, 2010, 06:35:20 PM »

hmm, alot of negative comments about 13. ah, back when it was still in production i had such high hopes. I'll still probably get it and as long as i enjoy it to some degree then it's not a waste.

MammalSauce · « **Reply #84 on:** March 20, 2010, 08:34:58 PM »

Quote from: kyanwan on March 20, 2010, 01:26:57 PM

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Quote from: godcheese on March 18, 2010, 12:32:34 AM
mmm I just got to Gran Pulse, 30 hours into the game total... ive completed about... 5 c'ieth stone quests ranging from dodging high powered monsters I couldn't possibly fight yet to walking over there and smashing X while I browse 4chan.

GIGADUNK!
( I wish I could make it flashing in 5 different colors. )

I've been watching someone else play it (FF series really lost me with X - that's the last one I personally bought ... and never played. ) From my viewpoint - I see: all graphics, not much more. I've also heard whining bout the battle system ( with 12 being superior - and from my viewpoint, yeah, it did look better ....... )

But come to think of it - couldn't you play most FF with a coffee can resting on one of your controller's buttons ( or maybe even a piece of tape - if you're not "mechanically inclined". )

In regard to the movie aspect - I'm surprised - with next gen systems with such amazing graphics ... that Square & other devs still feel the need to make cutscenes like that. You'd think there would be more interactive dialog ... say ... like Fallout 3 had ( just regular old game sprites - very high res & detailed of course - and you interact with them in the "cutscene". Better done, though. )

To me it's looking like an all around decent game - I'd give it a 7/10.

Oh. Another gripe of mine - while your characters have decent outfits - the townspeople I've seen are disgusting.

I mean, come on - how creative is it to just skin them all with underwear? Pathetic.

[edit / update]

Ok - I got sick of hearing about it and went for some more in-depth personal experience with this shit.

Emphasis on the shit.

Graphics: 10/10
Sound: 10/10
Gameplay: 0/10
Storyline: ... something/10
Battle system: 0/10
Gameplay Depth: 2/10 ( I guess the characters give this game some "depth". )
Replay Value: 0/10
Auto-battle system: -1000000000/10 ( omg wtf? I'm seeing bosses downed with your eyes closed - LITERALLY! No, really - try it. Fight a boss with your eyes closed. You'll win. )

Is this a Final Fantasy? No.
Is this an RPG? No.
Is this something I want to pay for? No.
Is this a game? No.
Is playing 1 character in a Final Fantasy game fun? No.
Does this suck dick? Yes.

My Revised score: 5/10. I guess because they worked one hell of a long time on the graphics and sound. Other than that - this game sucks a hairy nutsack. Compared to twelve, this is bukakke - in your face - and you're not enjoying it.

Further simplification of this series from the heyday of what it was ( think: 6/7/8 ) to now - is just smashing it for the old core.

I guess for some people, hey - a "well structured linear game" may be their cup of tea.

For those of us who like to be challenged by their games ... rather than playing a slide puzzle where you always win - this just slaughters the series.

FF was complex in the past. Now it's Myst - with improved graphics, and bonus T&A (+1) - or what was that linear game where everything was right-wrong back in the late 90s - that had great graphics .... I forget. Something with a speedboat and guns. It looked good, was like a "choose your path" book - and pretty much a play it once and toss it game.

I'm glad as fuck that I didn't buy this shit. The FF series is dead to me. Glad there's stuff like Fallout coming back out of the woodwork to save us RPG folks who enjoy a complex game with a rich storyline & many options ... to have a load of fun.

Holy... And I thought I was an unlikeable dickbag.

Spanks · « **Reply #85 on:** March 21, 2010, 08:42:47 PM »

Quote from: MammalSauce on March 20, 2010, 08:34:58 PM

Quote from: kyanwan on March 20, 2010, 01:26:57 PM
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Quote from: godcheese on March 18, 2010, 12:32:34 AM
mmm I just got to Gran Pulse, 30 hours into the game total... ive completed about... 5 c'ieth stone quests ranging from dodging high powered monsters I couldn't possibly fight yet to walking over there and smashing X while I browse 4chan.

GIGADUNK!
( I wish I could make it flashing in 5 different colors. )

I've been watching someone else play it (FF series really lost me with X - that's the last one I personally bought ... and never played. ) From my viewpoint - I see: all graphics, not much more. I've also heard whining bout the battle system ( with 12 being superior - and from my viewpoint, yeah, it did look better ....... )

But come to think of it - couldn't you play most FF with a coffee can resting on one of your controller's buttons ( or maybe even a piece of tape - if you're not "mechanically inclined". )

In regard to the movie aspect - I'm surprised - with next gen systems with such amazing graphics ... that Square & other devs still feel the need to make cutscenes like that. You'd think there would be more interactive dialog ... say ... like Fallout 3 had ( just regular old game sprites - very high res & detailed of course - and you interact with them in the "cutscene". Better done, though. )

To me it's looking like an all around decent game - I'd give it a 7/10.

Oh. Another gripe of mine - while your characters have decent outfits - the townspeople I've seen are disgusting.

I mean, come on - how creative is it to just skin them all with underwear? Pathetic.

[edit / update]

Ok - I got sick of hearing about it and went for some more in-depth personal experience with this shit.

Emphasis on the shit.

Graphics: 10/10
Sound: 10/10
Gameplay: 0/10
Storyline: ... something/10
Battle system: 0/10
Gameplay Depth: 2/10 ( I guess the characters give this game some "depth". )
Replay Value: 0/10
Auto-battle system: -1000000000/10 ( omg wtf? I'm seeing bosses downed with your eyes closed - LITERALLY! No, really - try it. Fight a boss with your eyes closed. You'll win. )

Is this a Final Fantasy? No.
Is this an RPG? No.
Is this something I want to pay for? No.
Is this a game? No.
Is playing 1 character in a Final Fantasy game fun? No.
Does this suck dick? Yes.

My Revised score: 5/10. I guess because they worked one hell of a long time on the graphics and sound. Other than that - this game sucks a hairy nutsack. Compared to twelve, this is bukakke - in your face - and you're not enjoying it.

Further simplification of this series from the heyday of what it was ( think: 6/7/8 ) to now - is just smashing it for the old core.

I guess for some people, hey - a "well structured linear game" may be their cup of tea.

For those of us who like to be challenged by their games ... rather than playing a slide puzzle where you always win - this just slaughters the series.

FF was complex in the past. Now it's Myst - with improved graphics, and bonus T&A (+1) - or what was that linear game where everything was right-wrong back in the late 90s - that had great graphics .... I forget. Something with a speedboat and guns. It looked good, was like a "choose your path" book - and pretty much a play it once and toss it game.

I'm glad as fuck that I didn't buy this shit. The FF series is dead to me. Glad there's stuff like Fallout coming back out of the woodwork to save us RPG folks who enjoy a complex game with a rich storyline & many options ... to have a load of fun.

Holy... And I thought I was an unlikeable dickbag.

Clearly you have never heard kyanwan blunt comments before

Jesta23 · « **Reply #86 on:** March 21, 2010, 09:42:11 PM »

I dont know what game these nay sayers are playing but I loved 13. The game is very linear. but to me, linear is better.

The characters and story were simply amazing. The cast is probably the best in the series period. They are much more human, and have far more growth then any of the other series.

The battle system is a little redundant until the later stages of the game. Then things get quite challenging which easily makes up for the tediousness of the first parts of the game.

My only grip is that there isn't enough back story. I know they intended to give you way more info on pulse and the back story, but it had to all be cut from the game due to time constraints. but I can live with that. They have hinted that if the game sells really well they might be making a sequel, so I bet we will get to see all of that back story they cut in it.

Anyway, my final score is 9.5/10.
Its the best jrpg of the new gen. It might not be as good as some of the classics, but compared to the new jrpgs its amazing.

kyanwan · « **Reply #87 on:** March 22, 2010, 01:51:04 AM »

Quote from: Spanks on March 21, 2010, 08:42:47 PM

Quote from: MammalSauce on March 20, 2010, 08:34:58 PM
Quote from: kyanwan on March 20, 2010, 01:26:57 PM
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Quote from: godcheese on March 18, 2010, 12:32:34 AM
mmm I just got to Gran Pulse, 30 hours into the game total... ive completed about... 5 c'ieth stone quests ranging from dodging high powered monsters I couldn't possibly fight yet to walking over there and smashing X while I browse 4chan.

GIGADUNK!
( I wish I could make it flashing in 5 different colors. )

I've been watching someone else play it (FF series really lost me with X - that's the last one I personally bought ... and never played. ) From my viewpoint - I see: all graphics, not much more. I've also heard whining bout the battle system ( with 12 being superior - and from my viewpoint, yeah, it did look better ....... )

But come to think of it - couldn't you play most FF with a coffee can resting on one of your controller's buttons ( or maybe even a piece of tape - if you're not "mechanically inclined". )

In regard to the movie aspect - I'm surprised - with next gen systems with such amazing graphics ... that Square & other devs still feel the need to make cutscenes like that. You'd think there would be more interactive dialog ... say ... like Fallout 3 had ( just regular old game sprites - very high res & detailed of course - and you interact with them in the "cutscene". Better done, though. )

To me it's looking like an all around decent game - I'd give it a 7/10.

Oh. Another gripe of mine - while your characters have decent outfits - the townspeople I've seen are disgusting.

I mean, come on - how creative is it to just skin them all with underwear? Pathetic.

[edit / update]

Ok - I got sick of hearing about it and went for some more in-depth personal experience with this shit.

Emphasis on the shit.

Graphics: 10/10
Sound: 10/10
Gameplay: 0/10
Storyline: ... something/10
Battle system: 0/10
Gameplay Depth: 2/10 ( I guess the characters give this game some "depth". )
Replay Value: 0/10
Auto-battle system: -1000000000/10 ( omg wtf? I'm seeing bosses downed with your eyes closed - LITERALLY! No, really - try it. Fight a boss with your eyes closed. You'll win. )

Is this a Final Fantasy? No.
Is this an RPG? No.
Is this something I want to pay for? No.
Is this a game? No.
Is playing 1 character in a Final Fantasy game fun? No.
Does this suck dick? Yes.

My Revised score: 5/10. I guess because they worked one hell of a long time on the graphics and sound. Other than that - this game sucks a hairy nutsack. Compared to twelve, this is bukakke - in your face - and you're not enjoying it.

Further simplification of this series from the heyday of what it was ( think: 6/7/8 ) to now - is just smashing it for the old core.

I guess for some people, hey - a "well structured linear game" may be their cup of tea.

For those of us who like to be challenged by their games ... rather than playing a slide puzzle where you always win - this just slaughters the series.

FF was complex in the past. Now it's Myst - with improved graphics, and bonus T&A (+1) - or what was that linear game where everything was right-wrong back in the late 90s - that had great graphics .... I forget. Something with a speedboat and guns. It looked good, was like a "choose your path" book - and pretty much a play it once and toss it game.

I'm glad as fuck that I didn't buy this shit. The FF series is dead to me. Glad there's stuff like Fallout coming back out of the woodwork to save us RPG folks who enjoy a complex game with a rich storyline & many options ... to have a load of fun.

Holy... And I thought I was an unlikeable dickbag.
Clearly you have never heard kyanwan blunt comments before

Quote from: nstgc on March 20, 2010, 06:06:18 PM

It gets better as you go along and it does feel like a final fantasy game. Its not the best. I think the last truly good FF game was 9.

Yeah ... that's my opinion too. I'm someone who didn't like 8 much - but it grew on me later. The best out of the post FF9 games, imo, is 12.

I was a hardcore fan of the series - and the company. They could do no wrong, they never had a bad game in my books - then the PS2 came out with FFX ( I thought X2 was better than X - and X2 was HORRIBLE. ) - and it all went downhill from there.

10 was abysmal. This new one isn't all that great either. I really just can not get past only controlling one character. Is this really the way it is thru the whole entire game?

That's sad.

nstgc · « **Reply #88 on:** March 22, 2010, 02:23:09 AM »

I'm glad I'm not the only person who hated 10. X-2 is good if you can look past the title. If you forget you are suppose to be playing a FF game, its okay.

As for playing only one character at a time, yes, its like that throughout the game, however who that one person is becomes your option once you get to chapter 10. Also, the mindless button mashing becomes somewhat less mindless. There is a strategy to each battle. If you choose the right strategy and execute it properly, the battles are very easy. If you don't have that strategy, later on, you will get a shitty rating and possibly die. The battle system is quite different from any other FF game, but now that its not just button mashing its not bad. I still don't like it, and think the old system, the one used in just about every FF game that doesn't have tactics in the title, is better. However, I'm sure the next one (and you know there will be a "next one") will surely not have this system.

Actually in terms of combat, my favorite system was the one in FF X, even though its my least favorite game over all. WHile 8 is my favorite game among them, the junction system was utter crap. "look at me, I can hit for max damage at level 20 and am immune to all status effects".

Jesta23 · « **Reply #89 on:** March 22, 2010, 02:53:36 AM »

none of us older people will like any of the new gen games better then 6 7 8 and 9.

Thats part of growing old. But for a new gen game, this is the best of the series.

nstgc · « **Reply #90 on:** March 22, 2010, 03:16:03 AM »

Quote from: Jesta23 on March 22, 2010, 02:53:36 AM

none of us older people will like any of the new gen games better then 6 7 8 and 9.

Thats part of growing old. But for a new gen game, this is the best of the series.

I agree that the new games will be targeted at a somewhat younger audience, however at some point you have can objectively say that certain elements are good and others bad. I don't have any specific complaints, but to say that everything can be explained with "we aren't in the target demographic" is wrong.

Also, I'm not sure if I'm not in the target group. I'm 24 years old and the other people standing in line for the midnight release were all, without exception, collage students. There was a line of us wrapped around the Gamestop. Well, if there weren't shops to either side it would wrap around.

[edit] Also, I do understand that the people waiting until midnight for a game aren't likely to be high school students. The sort that stay out late don't seem to be the sort who play JRPGs. What I said in the last paragraph does have some bias that needs to be worked out, but I still stand that I, at least, may be in the target age group.

Jesta23 · « **Reply #91 on:** March 22, 2010, 04:00:52 AM »

I know what your saying, but we grew up on them. Nothing will ever be as good as those games are to us.

18 year old's wont like them nearly as much as we do either, they will tell you 10 and 13 are better then 7 and 8.

nstgc · « **Reply #92 on:** March 22, 2010, 04:16:40 AM »

I wonder what they think of the Lunar series of games.

beezer08 · « **Reply #93 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:01:59 AM »

I'm 10 hours into this game.....and MY GOD THE BATTLE SYSTEM IS SLOW. Just started chapter 5 and I haven't seen an AOE spell for any of my characters and each is very limited in terms of available attacks. Hopefully it picks up soon, because this is probably the slowest starting RPG I've ever played. Also, why are the drops and gil so stingy here? I'd like to upgrade weapons or sell components to buy accessories, but the drop rate is kinda crap in this game.

Another thing that's annoying is that only the commando class has a regular attack command....why the hell is that? A medic is shown to be holding a weapon.....use it, you idiot.

I also hate the fact that roles are very limited and can only do this or that, which is a pain in the ass.

Character wise: I like Snow and Sazh, hate Hope and Lightning....curren tly indifferent on Vanille. Story is OK, but also quite slow.

Jesta23 · « **Reply #94 on:** March 22, 2010, 06:59:42 AM »

Alot of people say its slow starting. But almost everyone that finishes the game agrees its a good game. So just keep going.

The battle system IS slow to start, no one denies that. But by the end you will really love this new system.

The characters have some serious growth through the game, I would love to see you say which ones you like or hate after you beat it.

Personally, I loved all of the characters. Sahz and Snow are my fav though.

forsaken · « **Reply #95 on:** March 22, 2010, 07:41:29 AM »

I still like Lightning, Snow and Fang. Slightly dislike Sazh and Hope. Absolutely hate Vanille.

The game is slow to start and at Chapter 12 there's only few fights where I really need to pay attention. Mostly Relentless Assault or Delta Attack is enough to beat enemies with plain afk-X-mashing. Only some enemies require more of a tactic :/

beezer08 · « **Reply #96 on:** March 23, 2010, 05:47:19 PM »

In chapter 7 now and the CP is finally pouring in much faster. Got some AOE spells(thank god), but the battle system is still a tad slow ATM. Maybe when I get a 3 character party again, I'll like it more. Also, after watching more cutscenes with Snow, I can easily say he has the best character design of any JRPG character I've ever seen. You can tell they spent a lot more time on creating his character than the others in this game just by looking at the amount of detail involved. I still not a major fan of Lightning, but since she isn't PMSing anymore....she is tolerable now. Hope can still go off himself as far as I care.

Jesta23 · « **Reply #97 on:** March 23, 2010, 07:58:50 PM »

I found out that the stronger you are the harder it is to get 5 stars on enemies. I didnt do any of the missions until after I beat the game. So its almost impossible for me to 5 star the early missions because they are so much more weaker then I am. (i have ti win in under 10 seconds since i have everything maxed.)

So I think im going to just replay things and go for all achievements in another play through.

and yeah, snow is badass

Nikran · « **Reply #98 on:** April 03, 2010, 06:39:56 PM »

.....I see what everyone is so unhappy about now. FF 13 is like persona 3's basterd child (Only in terms of it's combat system involving 1 char u can control) that no one loves. At times I might as well be button mashing since it would accomplish the same results in alot of fights as pressing buttons correctly. So far the game feels like an endless big dungeon. I don't get any control where im going, just go through one enemy infested zone to another without a trace of any towns inbetween. Even Nocturne (Which i regard as one of the most brutal rpgs) had towns (Though u still got random encounters in 90% of them). I think all this shit is impeding my ablitly to enjoy the storyline =/ it's saving grace is the the visuals are amazing, but thats about where it ends.

FF Versus and Persona 5 will hopefully deliver a much more epic rpg experience then FF 13 has =/

mgz · « **Reply #99 on:** April 08, 2010, 10:28:29 PM »

one of my friends who is playing currently says that for someone like him as the game is progressing its becoming more difficult for him because hes not as he put it " ADD enough to deal with constant real time slaughtering" he prefers turn based.

Many people prefer turn based which is why you see a great deal of slamming of the new battle system. It definitely becomes a real ADD friendly battle system