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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2010, 01:41:38 PM »
For me, a unique premise and story is important to my enjoyment of an anime. Variety is the spice of life, and the best way to catch my interest is to suggest a new idea or concept that I haven't really thought about before.

Music and atmosphere are also extremely important in creating an anime that draws me in. For me the colours used and the music playing have very significant roles in whether or not I'm engrossed in the anime. I'm a sucker for rain and dark colours with classical instruments, but there are lots of brighter scenes I've enjoyed.

I think that's really the biggest things I look for. Obviously good voice acting is nice, but I'm rarely let down by Japanese animations in this regard. They do a good job. I enjoy seeing different art styles, so I'm not really picky about that. Genre is largely unimportant to me as long as it is moderately intelligent. I won't watch hentai/harum or whatever. I tend not to like giant fighting robot anime, but that's really because most of them are very cliche and boring, not because I don't enjoy a well done one.

Things that ruin an anime for me are excessive fanfare or general perversion for no reason. I like to be able to share my thoughts on the intelligent aspects of an anime, and these sometimes make me embarassed to even admit I've watched it, not to mention delegitimize my hobby. Of course there's artful nudity and I don't really care if there's a bathhouse scene, I just don't need every dramatic moment to be ruined by a strong gust of wind and a stupidly short skirt. It doesn't help the story and it's obviously done for cheap ratings... Which is something I don't respect.

Another thing that ruins an anime for me is the DBZ/videogame level up mechanic. I don't like arbitrary forms of power that just mean more wind and more yelling and longer scenes of wind and yelling. That isn't entertaining, and it's also cliche. I feel like it's a copout for the author to actually think of something that would give a person power. Good: Death Note. Bad: Even thicker plated armour. Good: Newfound vampiric powers. Bad: Bigger ship.

As far as length goes. An anime should only be as long as its plot. I don't really care how long that is (okay, over 100 episodes is probably too much for me, but I can't think of any good plot that's gone that long). Filler episodes will ruin a good anime, but an anime who's plot never stops moving will apply greatness to a good anime. I think I'd apply this thought most to Monster. That series had so many filler episodes that I even begun to dislike it, but by the time I finished it I realised it did have a good plot... It was just stretched way too thin. Some people might say Death Note should have ended 10 episodes earlier, just because they dislike the WAY the plot went, but it did keep every episode action packed and there's a reason everyone seems to recommend it. Monster should have been about 30 episodes shorter just because it didn't use them for plot. I don't need 10 episodes of Tenma walking old ladies across the street to know he's a nice guy.

That's my pretentious opinion :D
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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2010, 01:50:05 PM »
a loli is a very good thing for any anime, and it doesn't need to be a main character or even a side one at that.

You need a jiggly, obnoxious character like Matsumoto. She's not even a real side, more like a running gag :D

@Chef: tl;dr :> But I agree on the DBZ thing :) And robots are generally boring. Gundam 00 and Guren Lagann are alright, though Gundam 00 is extremly predictable/cliche. But the artwork/animation is in HD which compensates for that by prociding excellent battles :)

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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2010, 01:58:09 PM »
I enjoyed Guren Lagann as well. Especially in the beginning, though it started to be a bit stupid by the end. Sorry for my long post, but it is discussion, not one liners lol. Obviously I have a lot to criticise about Guren Lagann (just read my post if you're curious) but it had enough good things to overcome the blatantly awful.

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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2010, 07:17:22 PM »
1. Sound, if the sound is dull I tend to zone out and some things like a silent episode in black and white (touch) really sticks in the mind. Some animes that have everything going for them have a voice actor which I just hate and can't stand. Kind of ruins the series.

2. Personal preference/categories/genres, I have some things I like and some I dislike where the anime has to work to overcome a disadvantage in order to be good. Seeing sports/music/girl in distress make me download, while seeing Ecchi or shounen ai can easily make me skip a series.

3. Writing, dialogue that just doesn't keep the interest is linked to 1. Bad writing makes the sound lose its impact. This also makes dead characters or ones that you just want off the screen.

4. Characters, this is mostly the bakground the writing works on.

5. Pacing, fillers that develop characters are good. Even worthless fillers can be made good using proper pacing of scenes and good characters. Black lagoon is an excellent example of a series where I didn't care about the characters due to too high pace. Another example of bad pacing is names for all moves in an action series, low pacing.

6. Art? Running out of relevant things so putting in art here, it always helps if it is good. Can actually make scenes work with just good art and direction of it.

Something akin to this should do it. I mostly think about what I like in the category department when I choose a series, but the audio is what makes a great anime.
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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2010, 07:29:32 PM »
Clearly the main character and general setting/lore are definitory for... everything. I wouldn't have watched Code Geass otherwise. With those great elements(+ great suport cast,art and being HD)it turned out to be the most enjoyable anime I've ever seen.
Substract the awesomness of the main character,giant robots,add ninjas and powers and you get Naruto(Shippuuden).

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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2010, 09:32:21 PM »
How i would rate an anime would be based on these things in no particular order.

Artwork or animation-Its always nice to have great animation if it is lacking somewhat it can be compensated for but i am sorry if it looks like a 4 year old did it its going to distract me from even the greatest stories. Also it is always nice when the Artwork and plot and characters all match up in.

Plot- For me this is very important. It has to be there and it needs to be complex for me to really enjoy it. I have watched many anime where i have figured it all out with 5 or 6 episodes to go and by the time i get to the the last episode its like htfu i already know whats going to happen.

Characters- they need to be developed. There is nothing worse then watching a main character go through the story and you have no insight to why or how he is in the situation in the first place or what his logic is behind his decision making. I am fine with it being explained through flashbacks and not dialogue a great example of this would be texhnolyze. The main character rarely talked but through the first few episode and the flash back through out i felt like i knew the character really well and i understood why he was doing what he was doing.

Music- I like pretty much any music as long as it fits the atmosphere set by the artwork, plot, and characters.

Some one mentioned early that there is no E=mc^2 of anime and i would disagree there is a base formula for anime but it would resemble something more like this y= x*z*u*w with y being the quality of the anime and the other 4 varriables being the art music characters and plot. While each person will assign a different coefficient in front of each variable our output is generally going to look the same.
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Re: What makes an Anime good?
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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2010, 07:47:27 PM »
I just like the absurd stories, things that couldn't possibly happen with over reacting manner to things that you wouldn't see in movies.

Same applies with the sountracks/BGM and art that is used in combination to provide a greater atmosphere/tension/etc.

There are alot of good soundtracks but I just can't imagine them being used in movies.

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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2010, 03:19:06 PM »
What makes anime good for me:
1. Story. Just have to have a story and preferably a good one. And dynamic story, not something that starts quite well and then gets dragged and dragged and dragged and ends quickly. Or goes in to fast pace, gotta enyoj the thing after all. Or way to slow. And preferably something you can not guess, so no simple cliche here please. 
2. Dialogues. Most important to have dialogues that are not based on cliche! Bad dialogue can ruin even the greatest story.
3. Genre. Have to have a genre I like, genres like ecchi, harem are these two that will scare me away for sure, I might be able to deal with the others.
4. Sound and voices. If the sound is to loud and intensive it can ruin the anime, if its a loud theme for one action, its ok, but if there is always a lod annoying sound in bg its not good as well. I rather prefer to have quiet sound, but not silence all the time, sound is good. Need to have something to make it all alive. Music should not be the main thing in anime if it is not anime about music.
5. Animation. Obviously it have to be pleasant animation style and character design. What I love about anime is that they actually have backgrounds not just some color specks as most other cartoons. And I am not to found of "edgy" anime character style, like Natsu no Arashi have now and then (first that pooed up in mind, most likely not the best example, as the animation is just fine most of the time).

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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2010, 10:31:07 AM »
well, l think most of you will agree, a good anime needs at least one Loli !

You need a slag with big-tits for real quality anime.
a loli is a very good thing for any anime, and it doesn't need to be a main character or even a side one at that.

Loli is killing anime (wel for me anyway) - as forsaken mentioned you need a mature DEVELOPED woman -  I know I may be in a minority by saying this but I never understood why Western audiences have taken such an eye to loli, is seeing an erotisiced girl 5 year old  really that appealing???

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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2010, 02:14:18 PM »
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnimeTropes?from=Main.AnimeTrope

This is why anime is good.

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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2010, 03:13:52 PM »
I'm enjoying this site quite a bit.  I just completely lost track of time and wasted 1.5 hours or so reading through various parts of it.
It's an amazing site, and serious time waster - let's just say that you got off lucky with only 1.5 hours ;)
Loli is killing anime (wel for me anyway) - as forsaken mentioned you need a mature DEVELOPED woman -  I know I may be in a minority by saying this but I never understood why Western audiences have taken such an eye to loli, is seeing an erotisiced girl 5 year old  really that appealing???
Some people are attracted to vacuum cleaners. What's it to you? No matter what are fetishes people may have, as far as they don't hurt others they are perfectly okay to me.
But seriously, don't turn this thread into yet another pointless argument about loli, pretty please.

Back on topic: one thing that I left out of my first post, an important part of good writing - I like it when anime makes me feel - whether it's because I like the characters, emphatize or identify with them, or even when I come to dislike them because of what kind of person they are - not when I dislike them because of how poorly written they are.


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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2010, 05:42:01 PM »
Back on topic: one thing that I left out of my first post, an important part of good writing - I like it when anime makes me feel - whether it's because I like the characters, emphatize or identify with them, or even when I come to dislike them because of what kind of person they are - not when I dislike them because of how poorly written they are.

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making feel or/and think is needed for anime to be good.

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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2010, 07:42:36 AM »
well, l think most of you will agree, a good anime needs at least one Loli !

You need a slag with big-tits for real quality anime.
a loli is a very good thing for any anime, and it doesn't need to be a main character or even a side one at that.

Loli is killing anime (wel for me anyway) - as forsaken mentioned you need a mature DEVELOPED woman -  I know I may be in a minority by saying this but I never understood why Western audiences have taken such an eye to loli, is seeing an erotisiced girl 5 year old  really that appealing???
who says a loli is a 5 year old girl, l personally preffer a proberly developed female body, breast size for me is percfect when it's C/C+/D-
around 170 cmm tall, slim, black/blonde/red long hair (l can do with brown but theres too many of those), with proper manners, thinking for herself, smart, with a good sense of humour. there is a pretty lot of this kind of girls round the world, why l like lolis is the fact that in anime a loli is eighter a superficial smart tsundere, or a super clumsy funny perky imba energetic girl, wich is so much funny in many ways, so yeh, lolis FTW! and a term loli isn't meant for 5 year old kids, we call a loli a flat chested small framed girl, or a small framed girl with inadequately big boobs, l can hardly even call a child of 5 years old a loli.

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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2010, 09:17:33 AM »
who says a loli is a 5 year old girl, l personally preffer a proberly developed female body, breast size for me is percfect when it's C/C+/D-
You shouldn't think of differently developed women as improperly developed. But back to topic here's my list of important elements:

-Pre-determined ending- This is why I'm drawn more to anime than western programming, because it seems like you can't turn on the television anymore without every show being scheduled to have multiple seasons indefinitely, until it is no longer profitable or until the lead actors decide to quit. It's expected and totally acceptable with comedies, but when it's a drama with an over-arching plotline it's just ridiculous. And just because the source material continues indefinitely doesn't mean the anime must, with a case in point being Fullmetal Alchemist, which wrapped up nicely in 52 episodes with one movie. Nothing against FMA:Brotherhood, but I thoroughly enjoyed and was satisfied with the first FMA series.

-Artwork- Duh, and this combined with the above reason why I stopped watching Bleach and started reading it instead, the artwork just got so lazy after the Soul Society arc, and the comedy was embarrassingly strained and unfunny.

-Epicness- Everything needs some degree of epic. The world has to be at stake, or someone's life/well-being should hang in the balance. I cite Gurren Lagann as taking the epic scale to new heights. Comedy is of course excused from this, as the great Azumanga Daioh shows.

-Character Design- Every character needs their own flaws, motivations, and personality. Too complex to really define what good character design boils down to, but I for some reason enjoy watching characters either encountering and overcoming tragedy, or living with a tragic past.

-Originality- Kids shows and the vast majority of western anime-style shows suck hard for this reason alone. I mean really, what kind of world do we live in where people get paid to come up with the stuff you see on Saturday mornings these days.

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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2010, 09:22:00 AM »
who says a loli is a 5 year old girl, l personally preffer a proberly developed female body, breast size for me is percfect when it's C/C+/D-
You shouldn't think of differently developed women as improperly developed. But back to topic here's my list of important elements:

didn't mean it that way, sorry if l offended anyone by inproper statement, l'll try to rectify that later on if l find suitable words, lets leave that as it is with my apologies for now.

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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2010, 05:35:06 PM »
Story.

Pure and simple.   Without a good story with well developed and established characters,  you are just watching shit.

Fan service is OK, but if you are watching a show purely for those reasons,  then that's your problem to justify.

Whether it is a bunch of words printed on a page, or a comic book, or strip, or an animated work,  the story is the strongest point and the whole reason for watching.  Despite the fact  the art may be horrendous, and the music might blow,  or the fan service level ridiculous,  a good story will keep you around until resolution.

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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2010, 06:04:34 PM »
Story.

Pure and simple.   Without a good story with well developed and established characters,  you are just watching shit.

Fan service is OK, but if you are watching a show purely for those reasons,  then that's your problem to justify.

Whether it is a bunch of words printed on a page, or a comic book, or strip, or an animated work,  the story is the strongest point and the whole reason for watching.  Despite the fact  the art may be horrendous, and the music might blow,  or the fan service level ridiculous,  a good story will keep you around until resolution.

I read the question as what makes an Anime good and not was makes xxx good. So I had to pick why I watch anime. ^^

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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2010, 06:30:10 PM »
Story.

Pure and simple.   Without a good story with well developed and established characters,  you are just watching shit.

Fan service is OK, but if you are watching a show purely for those reasons,  then that's your problem to justify.

Whether it is a bunch of words printed on a page, or a comic book, or strip, or an animated work,  the story is the strongest point and the whole reason for watching.  Despite the fact  the art may be horrendous, and the music might blow,  or the fan service level ridiculous,  a good story will keep you around until resolution.

I read the question as what makes an Anime good and not was makes xxx good. So I had to pick why I watch anime. ^^
yes but it makes it's presence in all things involving words to tell in any way, story will keep anyone sitting, if not for visual experience, than at least for the story if it's good.

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Re: What makes an Anime good?
« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2010, 12:21:34 PM »
Story, this has to be tops
Characters, I have to love/like them or hate them, as intended.  I shouldn't hate someone i'm supposed to love/like
Intelligence, the anime at least has to make me think a little bit, i'm a big boy now.
Style, this encompasses visual art style, animation style, music style
Lack of annoyances, annoying voices, characters, cheap animation etc can ruin a great story.