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~ Is it possible to make games useful to society?
« on: March 20, 2010, 02:48:32 AM »
[Jane McGonigal: Gaming can make a better world (20 minutes)]

This speech starts out fairly light-hearted and fun, but as she comes near the end, I thought she brought up some good possibilities for future gaming. Sure, it's pretty far-fetched, but if you get a good mind on the case I think there's pretty much no limit to what you could use gaming for as a social concept. I've already heard about social and psychological studies the past years on gamers and gaming, and the people who game is a fairly large group today. Obviously, games have a huge impact on today's generations. If only it could be harnessed for greater human goals.

Hopefully, the thread will bring forth some conflicting views on the matter. Is making gaming more real a bad thing? Would this end up to be a niche within the huge market for "useless gaming"?

Note: I wasn't sure whether to put this in the gaming forum or the general discussions, but I guess it's more of an interest to gamers. Perhaps it would get more conflicting views in a different forum, but it belongs here for the most part, I think.

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Re: ~ Is it possible to make games useful to society?
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2010, 07:23:35 AM »
those games look really boring

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Re: ~ Is it possible to make games useful to society?
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2010, 07:27:51 AM »
those games look really boring

Most educational games tend to be boring.

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Re: ~ Is it possible to make games useful to society?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2010, 08:11:25 AM »
those games look really boring
Eck, did you really have to post something like that?

It's not about her games, nor about educational games. It's about finding an outstanding interest that could be used in order to make a game useful. Her theories and games are just touching the tip of it, and while her games are, as mentioned, only interesting to a very small niche market, does that mean that all games developed in this nature have to be? Or will they always be boring to most people? Is there not room for various niche games in order to make gamers with various skills able to actually do something?

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Re: ~ Is it possible to make games useful to society?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2010, 10:30:08 AM »
Well you can learn quite a lot from games as they are. I learned a lot of history and some geography from the Total War series or the COD series. Also, I grew up on games and cartoons, learning English almost as a native speaker. I mean, I understood quite a lot of English before I learnt to read.

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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2010, 12:07:40 PM »
don't know about you guys, but i think relying on warcraft nerds and online gamers in general to solve real world problems is a bad idea. :-\

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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2010, 09:06:42 PM »
@MammalSauce
You're not relying on them to do stuff. You're trying to take advantage of their otherwise uselessness. Quite a few WoW players are doing complicated things in and around the game. Theorycrafting and Wiki building are some of the common things for WoW players. There will still be people around who do whatever they do in life, but why just have people who spend their time gaming go to waste?

@Carnivus:
I know what you mean. I too knew English long before others my age, mainly because of cartoons and stuff that you'd think was a waste of time. Games do teach us things as they especially train our reflexes, but the idea here is more about whether or not it can be used for the good of society in some way.

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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2010, 10:25:17 PM »
problem solvers of tomorrow

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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2010, 11:59:21 PM »
yay troll.

either way, its not saying that gaming = good for society per say. Its saying that if harnessed properly gamers which = a substantial amount of people can be utilized in some capacity for good.
And that the mindset of many gamers is one that should be had by most people in the real world because it would help solve problems.

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Re: ~ Is it possible to make games useful to society?
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2010, 12:22:52 AM »
best way for gamers to help the world imo=make a device that tranfers the kinetic energy from finger movements into electrical energy and transmits it into the power grid. :D


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Re: ~ Is it possible to make games useful to society?
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2010, 09:21:25 PM »
@Daggerlite
I see teaching English to non-native speakers in this way as a good thing for society. Since when learning the most spoken languange on Earth isn't helping a society grow in a lot of ways?
As I previously said, check out the Total War or Call of Duty series. I learn a lot from them.
And when video games become purely educational, or close to that, they can't really be called video games.

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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2010, 03:22:40 AM »
@Daggerlite
I see teaching English to non-native speakers in this way as a good thing for society. Since when learning the most spoken languange on Earth isn't helping a society grow in a lot of ways?
As I previously said, check out the Total War or Call of Duty series. I learn a lot from them.
And when video games become purely educational, or close to that, they can't really be called video games.
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Re: ~ Is it possible to make games useful to society?
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2010, 03:52:26 AM »
I think GTA has/will have a nice ol'good effect in society. . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvjBjlh1tXk



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@Daggerlite
I see teaching English to non-native speakers in this way as a good thing for society. Since when learning the most spoken languange on Earth isn't helping a society grow in a lot of ways?
As I previously said, check out the Total War or Call of Duty series. I learn a lot from them.
And when video games become purely educational, or close to that, they can't really be called video games.
...mandarin(chinese) is the most spoken language on earth

touche!
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2010, 04:02:09 AM »
I think GTA has/will have a nice ol'good effect in society. . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvjBjlh1tXk

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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2010, 05:00:05 PM »
@Daggerlite
I see teaching English to non-native speakers in this way as a good thing for society. Since when learning the most spoken languange on Earth isn't helping a society grow in a lot of ways?
As I previously said, check out the Total War or Call of Duty series. I learn a lot from them.
And when video games become purely educational, or close to that, they can't really be called video games.
...mandarin(chinese) is the most spoken language on earth
...which is spoken only in China.
English is spoken all around the world.

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Re: ~ Is it possible to make games useful to society?
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2010, 01:32:34 AM »
@Daggerlite
I see teaching English to non-native speakers in this way as a good thing for society. Since when learning the most spoken languange on Earth isn't helping a society grow in a lot of ways?
As I previously said, check out the Total War or Call of Duty series. I learn a lot from them.
And when video games become purely educational, or close to that, they can't really be called video games.
...mandarin(chinese) is the most spoken language on earth
...which is spoken only in China.
English is spoken all around the world.
large portions of countries that natively speak languages that are not english, teach and speak english

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Re: ~ Is it possible to make games useful to society?
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2010, 01:36:58 AM »
There are some basic things I dislike about these arguments, because the way people go about making games 'useful' is just fucking backwards. Useful games don't have to be educational games, or somehow instructive.

Video games are an art, they're a different media like novels, film, television, stage. The reason these arguments come about is because people automatically think that video games are exclusively a benign or malignant force. That thinking is broken. Truth: If video games are useless, so are books.

The reality is that the novel is in decline. Fewer and fewer people want to read books. I say this like a Lit major, but I mean/feel it as a writer.

Writers need to rethink books if they want an audience/dinner. Or move to different media. Personally I think video games are the most promising. GTA isn't going to strictly make you a better person, but it will make you think differently. Just like any good book. The next step is for more serious writers to get into games. Right now it's not writers who write most games. A programmer gets an idea and runs with it, if he pitches it right to his superiors. The biggest titles like Metal Gear Solid are already on par with major movie production, in terms of man-hours and infrastructure.

Video games are just another level. Non-linear, interactive, marketable. And it's not like strong stories tank. The strong point of any good RPG is the story; gameplay is important but doesn't sink a title like bad writing.

Hang up with writers is that the general attitude is condescending to games (a lot like the state of anime). But that's just fortunate for me, they can laugh themselves all the way to the bank extinction.
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Re: ~ Is it possible to make games useful to society?
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2010, 09:29:55 PM »
Games like Left for Dead will help in the future... What if those fucking zombies come around... Knowing a headshot will take em out, and that sticking in a group of four will improve your chances.... It's a life saver!
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Re: ~ Is it possible to make games useful to society?
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2010, 02:07:04 PM »
Not to talk about how Mass Effect will lighten our way when we will find other intelligent species

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Re: ~ Is it possible to make games useful to society?
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2010, 02:16:05 PM »
with that kinda view point it would be a great idea to play fallout just to be prepaired for when the world turns to shit after a nuclear war =P

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