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FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« on: March 22, 2010, 08:04:57 AM »
Hmm, dunno why but I can haz no poll? :(

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/final-fantasy-ff7-ff13-final-fantasy-xiii,news-6198.html

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There's little question that Final Fantasy VII is the most popular in the series. Besides it being the first one in 3D and the first for its new home on the Sony PlayStation family. Perhaps for that reason, it holds a special place in many gamers' hearts.

Today, our latest Final Fantasy is up to XIII, and for the first time in its traditional format (not MMO) it's gone onto Microsoft's Xbox. By all measures, Final Fantasy is bigger than ever, but many still remember fondly back to the series' first big splash in the worldwide market.

In an inteview with Siliconera, Motomu Toriyama, director of Final Fantasy XIII, answered a question that sent many the hearts of fans aflutter.

Quote from: Motomu Toriyama
You worked on a bunch of Final Fantasy  games. Which one would you want to remake the most?

[Laughs.] That would be Final Fantasy VII!

If we had the manpower and the time to work on a project, if we were to remake Final Fantasy VII with the quality of Final Fantasy XIII it would become a tremendous project. If we can get the number of people we need by all means that would be the one I would really want to remake.

And now would be a good time to bring back this PlayStation 3 tech demo featuring a Final Fantasy VII theme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv8cYrGG220

What's your opinion? FFVII PS3 Remake: Yay or Nay?

I say abso-fcking-lutely ;D

4 years ago Advent Children managed to show us FFVII in a way that simply wasn't technologically possible 10 years previously when 3D pre-renders and real-time processing power were still at their origins...

Now FFXIII proved that the technology has finally reached the real-time-rendering level and pre-rendered storage capacity (BRD ftw) that a FF truly requires. Everybody agrees that the game has managed surpass expectations visually.

If SE remade FFVII with the Advent Children character models and stayed true to it's roots, I'd most definitely buy and enjoy it. I'm not saying they have to stick to the gameplay-mechanics, interface and character interactions in exactly the same way, so long as they keep the story and the plethora of side-quests and explorational possibilities. For all I care they can add further side-quests.

I think it'd be epic :) What about you?

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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2010, 08:23:03 AM »
It would be nice, but there would be no satisfying people.

If they left it exactly as is with a new 3rd engine. People would complain.

If they updated the game mechanics, people would complain.

Its a lose lose situation, so it will never happen.

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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2010, 08:27:07 AM »
It would be nice, but there would be no satisfying people.

If they left it exactly as is with a new 3rd engine. People would complain.

If they updated the game mechanics, people would complain.

Its a lose lose situation, so it will never happen.

It'd still sell extremely well though. There'd be much moneys to be made. Hence it could happen...

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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2010, 09:19:01 AM »
I'd rather have Square working on worthy new games rather than rehashing their past glory. Having a remake of FF VII done would only further prove that they don't know how to make good games anymore, for it would be only marginally less work than creating a completely new one.
Besides, there's a not negligible risk they would butcher it like they've been butchering the franchise for a good while now.
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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2010, 11:36:38 AM »
I'd rather have Square working on worthy new games rather than rehashing their past glory. Having a remake of FF VII done would only further prove that they don't know how to make good games anymore, for it would be only marginally less work than creating a completely new one.
Besides, there's a not negligible risk they would butcher it like they've been butchering the franchise for a good while now.

13 is anything but a butchering, It was really good. I wasnt all that into 12, but it really wasnt a bad game either. Sure not up to ff standards but it was still good.

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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2010, 12:39:38 PM »
Considering FF VII spawned the atrocities that were its successors I say "NAY!"

VII was an atrocious game. I'm glad that Square finally came to their fucking senses with XIII.

Let VII rot in hell, where it belongs.

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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2010, 12:43:36 PM »
Not for no reason.

I would rather see it as a remake on the next console, and of course with added features to the game. Perhaps combined with Crisis Core as an extra game, since that's a huge part of the revamped story. A fully rearranged soundtrack and perhaps some voice acting for cut-scenes would be awesome too. I suspect that they might go for a grand 20th anniversary remake, as they've done with FF I and II.

FF VII already got a massively extended treatment (games, movie), and in the end one might think that's all Square-Enix intended to do with the game. It has a great story though, and if it does get remade I wouldn't want it to be "just for the heck of it". An anniversary would make sense.

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It'd still sell extremely well though. There'd be much moneys to be made. Hence it could happen...

I don't really think money is the first thing on Square-Enix mind. They've always had a love for their games, as many Japanese game creators have. Many of their games are quite original, and while they normally do stick to traditions with a franchise like Final Fantasy, they usually reinvent various features in the game from chapter to chapter. Not always for the better, but at least they're trying.

Considering FF VII spawned the atrocities that were its successors I say "NAY!"

While this is your personal opinion, I'll have to strongly disagree with anyone who says Crisis Core and Advent Children are "atrocities". Honestly, both are insanely awesome when paired with comparable stuff. Even Last Order was quite good, though I'll admit that it wasn't extraordinary. While Dirge of Cerberus might've been a minor flop with the fans, you can't really expect them all to be winners.

Honestly, these things weren't made for the money alone. They are high quality products, and the only reason not to like them is if the universe and story doesn't suit your taste in the first place.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2010, 12:53:43 PM by DaggerLite »

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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2010, 01:23:28 PM »
final fantasy 7 remake i would say yah bring it up . lot of gamers are waiting for remake after watching ff7 demo trailer  in ps3 . I am one of the person who is eagerly waiting for them to release ff7 remake  :P.


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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2010, 01:32:23 PM »
Considering FF VII spawned the atrocities that were its successors I say "NAY!"

While this is your personal opinion, I'll have to strongly disagree with anyone who says Crisis Core and Advent Children are "atrocities". Honestly, both are insanely awesome when paired with comparable stuff. Even Last Order was quite good, though I'll admit that it wasn't extraordinary. While Dirge of Cerberus might've been a minor flop with the fans, you can't really expect them all to be winners.

Honestly, these things weren't made for the money alone. They are high quality products, and the only reason not to like them is if the universe and story doesn't suit your taste in the first place.

By "successors" I mean "Final Fanatasy VIII through Final Fantasy XII (excluding Final Fantasy XI, which was also terrible, but an MMO, not a single player game)."

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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2010, 01:49:29 PM »
I say no. Leave it the fuck alone! ><

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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2010, 02:14:08 PM »
Hmm, dunno why but I can haz no poll? :(

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/final-fantasy-ff7-ff13-final-fantasy-xiii,news-6198.html

Quote from: TomsHardwareGuide
There's little question that Final Fantasy VII is the most popular in the series. Besides it being the first one in 3D and the first for its new home on the Sony PlayStation family. Perhaps for that reason, it holds a special place in many gamers' hearts.

Today, our latest Final Fantasy is up to XIII, and for the first time in its traditional format (not MMO) it's gone onto Microsoft's Xbox. By all measures, Final Fantasy is bigger than ever, but many still remember fondly back to the series' first big splash in the worldwide market.

In an inteview with Siliconera, Motomu Toriyama, director of Final Fantasy XIII, answered a question that sent many the hearts of fans aflutter.

Quote from: Motomu Toriyama
You worked on a bunch of Final Fantasy  games. Which one would you want to remake the most?

[Laughs.] That would be Final Fantasy VII!

If we had the manpower and the time to work on a project, if we were to remake Final Fantasy VII with the quality of Final Fantasy XIII it would become a tremendous project. If we can get the number of people we need by all means that would be the one I would really want to remake.

And now would be a good time to bring back this PlayStation 3 tech demo featuring a Final Fantasy VII theme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv8cYrGG220

What's your opinion? FFVII PS3 Remake: Yay or Nay?

I say abso-fcking-lutely ;D

4 years ago Advent Children managed to show us FFVII in a way that simply wasn't technologically possible 10 years previously when 3D pre-renders and real-time processing power were still at their origins...

Now FFXIII proved that the technology has finally reached the real-time-rendering level and pre-rendered storage capacity (BRD ftw) that a FF truly requires. Everybody agrees that the game has managed surpass expectations visually.

If SE remade FFVII with the Advent Children character models and stayed true to it's roots, I'd most definitely buy and enjoy it. I'm not saying they have to stick to the gameplay-mechanics, interface and character interactions in exactly the same way, so long as they keep the story and the plethora of side-quests and explorational possibilities. For all I care they can add further side-quests.

I think it'd be epic :) What about you?
They'll remake it eventually. FFVII's 20 year completion ends in 2017 so they've got 7 years to bring it to us. I hope they focus on the PS3's version first before the 360's.

In the meantime, I want Versus XIII...


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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2010, 02:25:15 PM »
Edit

It'd still sell extremely well though. There'd be much moneys to be made. Hence it could happen...

I don't really think money is the first thing on Square-Enix mind. They've always had a love for their games, as many Japanese game creators have. Many of their games are quite original, and while they normally do stick to traditions with a franchise like Final Fantasy, they usually reinvent various features in the game from chapter to chapter. Not always for the better, but at least they're trying.

I agree in some ways. They are constantly evolving the battlesystem/limit system/summons (X - switching characters), (XII - Gambits) & now (XIII - Paradigms), aswell as the Skill system (X's grid was the best so far imo).

However SE are most definitely money-grubbing capitalists pig-dogs ^^ See the VII remakes (some of which are better than others). They realized VII to be a cash-cow and tried to milk it some. Same goes for X-2, absolutely trashy remake, trying to build on the success of a previous money-maker.

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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2010, 02:25:29 PM »
By "successors" I mean "Final Fanatasy VIII through Final Fantasy XII (excluding Final Fantasy XI, which was also terrible, but an MMO, not a single player game)."

I see. My mistake then. I thought IX and X were fairly good, but I don't really see them as successors of VII. Though, it makes sense when you clarify it.

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However SE are most definitely money-grubbing capitalists pig-dogs ^^ See the VII remakes (some of which are better than others). They realized VII to be a cash-cow and tried to milk it some. Same goes for X-2, absolutely trashy remake, trying to build on the success of a previous money-maker.

I wonder, have you played Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus? Or did you just watch Advent Children? All of the VII related stuff is very high quality, as I've already commented on. Fine, they might be thinking about earning some money. So does every company when they do anything at all. However, none of their products are half-assed (X-2 possibly excluded). Advent Children got a bit mixed criticism, because even though the production was ace, the movie did not make much sense on its own (for people who did not already understand FF VII). Crisis Core would help explain a lot of it. With the BD re-release, they remastered it and added 30 minutes extra, so it would both look good and work well as a stand-alone. However, this too got them a lot of criticism for just being after the money, since "they should've made that (BD) movie in the first place" (not my words).

I don't know exactly why you think they're only after money compared to a lot of other companies. Personally, I think it's one of the few companies that put their soul into things. I could compare with other companies, but I won't go that much off-topic here.

I haven't played X-2 personally, but I basically know all there is to know about that one. I think it was a game meant to appeal to girls mainly.
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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2010, 02:42:20 PM »
They'll remake it eventually. FFVII's 20 year completion ends in 2017 so they've got 7 years to bring it to us. I hope they focus on the PS3's version first before the 360's.

In the meantime, I want Versus XIII...

I doubt it'll hit the 360, since Sony has to have some rights to it....or they'll use their brain (for once) and make sure it stays exclusive.  I honestly would rather them focus on making new games instead of remaking old ones and since their dev times are getting longer (their last 2 FF games have taken a very long time to release), so I do not want them working on a remake.  

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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2010, 03:03:26 PM »
Nay, I want FFVI, thank you. Kefka > Sephiroth any day of the week.

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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2010, 03:49:51 PM »
If a remake existed, I'd want to play it. I think FF7 was excellent, but I also think it's overhyped and overloved, and for all the wrong reasons. The majority of people who rave about FF7 were in elementary school to early high school when the game was released and it was their first experience with a game that actually took the storyline seriously. And significantly, FF7 was by far the most beautiful game to date. In this way, FF7 was really a genius project because there was some kickass writing and it reached a previously unthinkable amount of people.

I think it's because of FF7 that more people don't like 8 and 10 more. There's just no way to live up to those expectations. And I admire the effort in 8, which clearly wasn't trying to live up to that standard, but instead tried to be a respectable entity unto itself. What bugs me about a lot of Final Fantasy 'fans' is that many of them exclusively like 7, and only really played successive titles out of a desire for more 7. (Personally I couldn't get into the 9 universe, nothing about it struck a chord with me. I thought 12 was poor as well, just endless amounts of nothing to do. Though the Bosch storyline was compelling; it's unfortunate the original writer on that project jumped ship.)

There's also the logistics of remaking FF7. It's terribly unlikely. Most of the rumors were fueled by an E3 demo of a redone opening sequence to 7. That demo was only meant to spark interest in Advent Children, Crisis Core, and Dirge of Cerberus. (I'm also throwing my vote for Advent Children. Kicked ass.)

Quote from the Wikipedia entry:
February 2010, Kitase stated that creating a Final Fantasy VII for the PlayStation 3 in order to give it a similar quality to the one from Final Fantasy XIII "would take as much as three or four times longer than the three and a half years it has taken to put this Final Fantasy together! So it's looking pretty unrealistic to happen!" Additionally, Kitase commented that making games with the same style of Final Fantasy VII for the PlayStation 3 is very difficult as it would take the staff too much time to make the graphics; due to this, Final Fantasy XIII is "more linear" than previous titles. In a March 2010 interview, however, Final Fantasy XIII director Motomu Toriyama stated, "If we had the manpower and the time to work on a project, if we were to remake Final Fantasy VII with the quality of Final Fantasy XIII it would become a tremendous project. If we can get the number of people we need by all means that would be the one I would really want to remake."

Nay, I want FFVI, thank you. Kefka > Sephiroth any day of the week.
Fuck. Yes.

The FFVI story and characters still clean house any day of the week. That game deserves a real remake.

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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2010, 04:23:09 PM »
They'll remake it eventually. FFVII's 20 year completion ends in 2017 so they've got 7 years to bring it to us. I hope they focus on the PS3's version first before the 360's.

In the meantime, I want Versus XIII...

I doubt it'll hit the 360, since Sony has to have some rights to it....or they'll use their brain (for once) and make sure it stays exclusive.  I honestly would rather them focus on making new games instead of remaking old ones and since their dev times are getting longer (their last 2 FF games have taken a very long time to release), so I do not want them working on a remake.  
+1, they'll probably need 2 DL Blu-ray discs and so ... well, ... yea. It'll kill the purpose to bring it to the 360 by then. And please add the Japanese voices ..

I'd want the remake, badly. I just want to play it in HD, more content, graphics, gameplay..

I really like the Materia system. I think it is by far the "best" FF system they've developed to-date. I do think it's lacking alot of materia effects, or special effects and more magic and what not. The Break Limit is also great. I liked it a lot more than the other crap they did in other FF games. We're talking about FFVII, not Crisis Core's Materia System..


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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2010, 04:38:46 PM »
I wonder, have you played Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus? Or did you just watch Advent Children?

Yes I played both. CC was great, especially in combination with the anime clip about Zack/Cloud. DoC was a nice try, I did enjoy it somewhat - making a shooter from an FF was definitely an interesting attempt. I've seen better action-rpgs though. But there was more than the film and those two games during the VII rehash.

@PithyGriff: I've hyped VII because it's the first RPG I really got into during my youth and there's just so many great nostalgic memories of the joy I got from playing it previously.

As for VIII - I got into because I was kinda moody when I played it (fitting with Squall's emo-style ^^;) and I could get into IX aswell because I enjoyed the whole pirate thing and because it was more like VII than VIII. X I spent lotsa time on and it truly was a great game imo. XII had some good and some bad, same with XIII. I personally could never get into anything pre-VII. I tried I and VI and although it's shallow I couldn't truly enjoy it because of the shitty 2D. It's like watching a HD movie and then watching it's 60's black-and-white SD predecessor without the sound...

I think it's all down to Nostalgia aswell. Those people who played I-VI when they originally came out are gonna have fonder memories of it than the younger generation (of which I consider myself a part)...

And the Logistics of making the game would indeed be tremendously complex. The reason XIII is so "small" and linear is, as the developers stated, because it's all in HD. But meh, we can dream... ;)

I really like the Materia system. I think it is by far the "best" FF system they've developed to-date. I do think it's lacking alot of materia effects, or special effects and more magic and what not. The Break Limit is also great. I liked it a lot more than the other crap they did in other FF games. We're talking about FFVII, not Crisis Core's Materia System..

I liked the Materia system back then and it most certainly beat FFVIII's draw system which was the stupidest thing ever (though linking the skills/spells to stats was a great idea). The fact that you could combine materia in the linked slots was very cool.

My favourite system is X's though. The grid was fcking excellent, XII's was retarded again and XIII's is a crap version of X's grid.

As for Limit Breaks, the fact that your character couldn't attack normally if the limit break was available was the first stupid thing. They fixed that in VIII though. Also, I enjoyed having to do something for each Limit break, like in X where you had to do Auron's combos or press X at a specific time (can't remember which character that was). The origin of this was Tifa's spinning wheels for her hand-to-hand combos.

I really enjoyed XII's Gambit System, though that wouldn't fit into a VII remake. However X's swapping characters in-fight, aswell as X's seeing the next ten moves (turn-based) are both excellent features that built on and improved the original battle-system.

On another topic, what about minigamez? How cool would the motorcycle game be in HD? Or snowboarding? Chocobo races could do with an upgrade. VIII's & IX's card systems where both very fun aswell, wouldn't mind seeing something of that sort integrated...

And some x-rated content would be nice too and I'm not talking about Chocobo-breeding ;)

The perfect game... :>
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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2010, 05:29:50 PM »
Nay

First, if they were definitely going to make a remake, I could choose which one, and I didn't have to play it, it would be whatever the oldest one is (either I or III) simply because they are so old. Find the one that is mostly likely to seem new.

If they were definitely going to make a remake, if I was required to play it, and I could choose, I would want V to be remade. I think the whole world destruction thing would greatly benefit from new graphics and cinematic-like story telling.

In any case, I'm not sure if I want any remakes or not, but I do know, I don't want VII to be remade. I wasn't exactly thrilled with it. It wasn't the worst, but it definitely isn't something I ever want to play again. I would like to see them bring back the Matria system though. I think something like that would have been better than the current weapon upgrade system seen in XIII.

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Re: FFVII PS3 Remake - Yay or Nay?
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2010, 06:35:37 PM »
They'll remake it eventually. FFVII's 20 year completion ends in 2017 so they've got 7 years to bring it to us. I hope they focus on the PS3's version first before the 360's.

In the meantime, I want Versus XIII...

I doubt it'll hit the 360, since Sony has to have some rights to it....or they'll use their brain (for once) and make sure it stays exclusive.  I honestly would rather them focus on making new games instead of remaking old ones and since their dev times are getting longer (their last 2 FF games have taken a very long time to release), so I do not want them working on a remake.  
+1, they'll probably need 2 DL Blu-ray discs and so ... well, ... yea. It'll kill the purpose to bring it to the 360 by then. And please add the Japanese voices ..

I'd want the remake, badly. I just want to play it in HD, more content, graphics, gameplay..

I really like the Materia system. I think it is by far the "best" FF system they've developed to-date. I do think it's lacking alot of materia effects, or special effects and more magic and what not. The Break Limit is also great. I liked it a lot more than the other crap they did in other FF games. We're talking about FFVII, not Crisis Core's Materia System..

Wasn't the biggest fan of the materia system, since it made characters themselves feel cheap because you could put any attack/magic on anyone.  The only thing that was different was the limit breaks.  At least in FFX (not the Int version) the characters started down a pre-defined path that made each one unique and it actually took a lot more work to give them whatever move you wanted.  Moving materia around between characters was also a pain in the ass IMO.  To top it all off, FFVII's battle system is the easiest to exploit due to the materia system being so broken.  Get certain enemy skills on the enemy skill materia such as big guard or trine (both can be gotten fairly early), and you'd have to be an idiot to lose to any storyline boss.  

Edit: I meant Beta instead of Trine.  Both are easy to obtain, but Beta can be gotten within the first 10 hours easily. 
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