Possible 1080 ver. of Mai-Hime

[Anomaly]

Continuing off of the comment thread on the CoalGirls' release of the BD Mai-Hime...

I checked the audio file, and it says it's 48khz AAC? It's just the sample rate, I know, but how would I go about checking its bitrate? Anyway, I'm fairly sure I can use CoalGirls' FLAC audio files if this doesn't measure up.

[Temuthril]

AniDB.

[Anomaly]

AniDB.

Um, no. I was talking about the anisab-raw files, as far as audio quality was concerned.

[Lupin]

Um, no. I was talking about the anisab-raw files, as far as audio quality was concerned.

AniDB provides info on bitrates of files added into their database. You can also find the information you want from the files themselves using MediaInfo

[vuzedome]

Not worth it, but for Otome, maybe.

[nstgc]

Was there enough data to justify a BD? All they will likely end up as, at best, is high quality upscales.

[Aleron Ives]

Um, no. I was talking about the anisab-raw files, as far as audio quality was concerned.

AniDB provides info on bitrates of files added into their database. You can also find the information you want from the files themselves using MediaInfo

MediaInfo will definitely give you enough information to judge the quality of the AAC audio.

I only see AniDB showing video resolution, but maybe that's because I'm not registered with them. The BD resolution should be 1440x1080, so there is plenty of available quality for downsizing it to 1280x960. As long as the Anisab audio quality is ~128 Kbps or better, I'd say it's not worth the extra trouble of trying to use the Coalgirls audio.

[vuzedome]

960? You sure you got that right? Shouldn't it be 720?
1280x960 isn't really a wise choice for a resolution to begin with.
You're smack in between 1080 and 720.
Well, I'm all about industrial standards, and if it were up to me, I would not have cropped out the black borders and left it with 1920x1080.

[Aleron Ives]

960? You sure you got that right? Shouldn't it be 720?
1280x960 isn't really a wise choice for a resolution to begin with.
You're smack in between 1080 and 720.
Well, I'm all about industrial standards, and if it were up to me, I would not have cropped out the black borders and left it with 1920x1080.

While 960x720 would be the highest resolution you could display at a 4:3 aspect ratio for a 720p television, measuring by the horizontal instead of vertical resolution gives superior results. Since most people who watch 720p video on their computers are probably using SXGA monitors or better, 1280x960 is a better choice. Besides, the Coalgirls release is already at 960x720, so it would be relatively easy to just download that one and encode the audio to save space if we were satisified with 960x720. We're looking to get a release with good audio + video for people who can't watch 1080p.

Also, what cropping are you talking about? Mai-Hime is a 4:3 anime series. It is not cropped. Adding black borders to make the release 1920x1080 would have been completely pointless and a waste of space. Not everything is widescreen and not everything conforms to widescreen standards. 1280x960 is a perfectly valid 4:3 aspect ratio.

[Havoc10K]

960? You sure you got that right? Shouldn't it be 720?
1280x960 isn't really a wise choice for a resolution to begin with.
You're smack in between 1080 and 720.
Well, I'm all about industrial standards, and if it were up to me, I would not have cropped out the black borders and left it with 1920x1080.

l agree with that, l see no point in doing that.

[Aleron Ives]

l agree with that, l see no point in doing that.

How lucky you are to be able to watch 1080p video. If you don't want this, you certainly don't have to download it.

[vuzedome]

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960? You sure you got that right? Shouldn't it be 720?
1280x960 isn't really a wise choice for a resolution to begin with.
You're smack in between 1080 and 720.
Well, I'm all about industrial standards, and if it were up to me, I would not have cropped out the black borders and left it with 1920x1080.

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While 960x720 would be the highest resolution you could display at a 4:3 aspect ratio for a 720p television, measuring by the horizontal instead of vertical resolution gives superior results. Since most people who watch 720p video on their computers are probably using SXGA monitors or better, 1280x960 is a better choice. Besides, the Coalgirls release is already at 960x720, so it would be relatively easy to just download that one and encode the audio to save space if we were satisified with 960x720. We're looking to get a release with good audio + video for people who can't watch 1080p.

Also, what cropping are you talking about? Mai-Hime is a 4:3 anime series. It is not cropped. Adding black borders to make the release 1920x1080 would have been completely pointless and a waste of space. Not everything is widescreen and not everything conforms to widescreen standards. 1280x960 is a perfectly valid 4:3 aspect ratio.

Industrial standards, as in Blu-Rei standards, as in Vuzedome standards, as in let's screw those with 4:3 AR display users.
I'm just having fun.

[Havoc10K]

l agree with that, l see no point in doing that.

How lucky you are to be able to watch 1080p video. If you don't want this, you certainly don't have to download it.

if you can't watch blurays resolution video, you need to upgrade something, eighter you monitor or TV, l just plaug my PC to TV and watch blurays.

l'm not saying l preffer lower quality or anything, if the original release has borders or anything l don't mind as long as it is BluRay resolution, 1080p is a great thing, cropping it will only reduce quality instead of improving, l know what l'm talking about, you need a really badass CPU to do this right so it doesn't loose quality, if they can pull this off by all means go ahead, l still preffer 1080p instead of cropped field.

[vuzedome]

No... seriously, I meant cropped borders as in cropped black borders, where you get releases like My-Hime in BD with 1920x1088 resolution but with the black borders to keep the 4:3 AR.
Cropping is a actually more efficient as unneeded bitrate is removed.
And plus, most monitors or TV these days are in 16:9, so with or without the borders, its the same.

[Havoc10K]

l really don't see the problem, seriously

[Aleron Ives]

if you can't watch blurays resolution video, you need to upgrade something, eighter you monitor or TV, l just plaug my PC to TV and watch blurays.

Obviously if you're unable to watch 1080p it's because your hardware is incapable of doing it, but not everyone has the money to build a new computer to get the necessary processing power and not everyone wants a 16:9 display.

I fail to see why you would want to add 240 black, useless pixels on the left and right of the video frame just so you can say that the resolution is 1920x1080. There's no point. The aspect ratio isn't 16:9, and adding black padding won't change that.

[Zalis116]

if you can't watch blurays resolution video, you need to upgrade something, eighter you monitor or TV, l just plaug my PC to TV and watch blurays.

Obviously if you're unable to watch 1080p it's because your hardware is incapable of doing it, but not everyone has the money to build a new computer to get the necessary processing power and not everyone wants a 16:9 display.

I fail to see why you would want to add 240 black, useless pixels on the left and right of the video frame just so you can say that the resolution is 1920x1080. There's no point. The aspect ratio isn't 16:9, and adding black padding won't change that.

(I'm not sure who's joking and who's serious in this thread, so feel free to disregard the following)

Plus, deliberately adding black bars on the left and right sides of the video will screw with 4:3 displays. And that goes for videos of any resolution. Let's take 4:3 content at 640x480 vs. 640x480 with 104 pixels added on each side to make 848x480.

640x480: Pillarboxed on 16:9 displays, fullscreen on 4:3 displays
848x480 with added vertical bars: Pillarboxed on 16:9 displays, windowboxed (black bars on all 4 sides) on 4:3 displays

Yes, most displays these days aren't 4:3, but there's no reason to screw over some viewers when there's no added benefit for the majority. By that same token, I'm sure people with 16:9 displays don't care for letterboxed encodes like these -- they don't offer any added benefit to 4:3 screens, but they're worse for 16:9 screens.

[vuzedome]

What I meant was the original video stream, its all 16:9.

[Aleron Ives]

What I meant was the original video stream, its all 16:9.

You have the BD?

It would make no sense for them to have written the video to the BD-ROM in 16:9. The aspect ratio is 4:3. The only way the source aspect ratio could be 16:9 is as I and Zalis have said-- adding pointless black pixels to the left and right. Doing that would waste space and mess up the video for 4:3 displays. The disc authors would have had to be truly stupid to have done that.

The only other explanation I could think of would be that the BD-ROM is 1920x1080 anamorphic 4:3, but I was under the impression that only DVDs used anamorphic trickery.

[Havoc10K]

l'm leaving this topic since there is no way to explain this at all to someone who doesn't listen, go read on google or something, l have a 4:3 monitor and l'm watching 16:9 content with NO problems at all, it's all depending you your medai watching program, l use WMC:HC and no problems at all, also you don't need a superb computing machine to watch blurays at all, anything above CPU2GHz and a decent (128mb) graphics card can play them with no problems at all, just make sure you have at least 2 gigs of ram it all doesn't really cost much, if you can't watch blu rays don't even bother forcing your arguments on others, we prffer the original quality, you preffer edited crap, it's your choice.