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Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« on: April 02, 2010, 10:27:03 PM »
I decided to make a nice big post on PSN forums :x bacisally read what i wrote (MikanYui11)

http://boardsus.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-3-Updates/Regarding-the-needed-3-21-update-To-the-complainers/td-p/45475827

Do you agree with me on what im saying or an i off the mark? o.o

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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2010, 02:14:22 AM »
And now we wait for "custom" firmwares from those hackers who have not upgraded and continue to exploit the flaw.

But seriously, I too agree that it is a good decision. But I still hate the slimline.
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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2010, 02:50:19 AM »
some of your logic is pretty flawed IMO:

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Infact those complaining "Oh but my ps3 was my computer too, I cant afford a laptop/desktop" What are you doing with a $600 Device? Nowadays you can pick up a decent laptop for $479 (Gateway NV series is a start) or try craigslist.
why just have a computer for $500 when you can have a computer and a gaming system for $600?  If you think of it that way then you basically spent $100 for a console (or $100 for a computer). seems like a good deal to me
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- Both Slim & Fat models are now on an equal field, meaning people wont be buying used models of the original line-up, thus boosting sales of the currently available Slimlines. (when a unit is sold used in any store *gamestop* as an example the company makes 0 profit)
if someone is going to buy a 60GB used then chances are they will still buy a slim used, still no profit for Sony.
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Bringing back the console to what it was originally meant for, basically now we only have the options to play games on it, its a giant psp we cant carry in our pockets thus boosting  game sales.
the PS3 was originally meant to be a all-in-one multimedia device, and now it is all-in-one-minus-one.

Even worse this move will spurn modders to get off their lazy butts and actually start figuring out a way to get custom firmware running (which according to a friend of mine, they already have).  If anything this move decreased how long it will take to hack the machine, rather than increase it.

I am not one of those people who go on "capslock rampages", but I do think this is a bad move by Sony that will do nothing but Anger the people who do use the feature.

Note:  I do have Yellow Dog installed on my ps3, and I was using it to learn how to develop for a cell processor (hard as fuck btw).  I am currently using a tool to bypass the update check when connecting to the internet.  I'll probably eventually download the update, but for now I have no reason to.

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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2010, 02:55:47 AM »
You can bypass update check by manually configuring your Primary/Secondary DNS to this I.P : 67.202.81.137 and still get on PSN, etc.  for those who dont want to update I wouldn't have if I found this out sooner.

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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2010, 03:17:51 AM »
You can bypass update check by manually configuring your Primary/Secondary DNS to this I.P : 67.202.81.137 and still get on PSN, etc.  for those who dont want to update I wouldn't have if I found this out sooner.

I'm using something that basically does the same thing, but instead uses a proxy.

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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2010, 04:26:50 AM »
There is no such thing as 'unhackable' which is one thing that irked me in that whole rant. The PS3 is not 'unhackable' as was proven a couple of months ago. In fact the term "unhackable" merely means it is so earthshateringly annoying (something Sony is particularly good at being) to hack that hacking itself becomes totally pointless (at least that's the intended goal), but someone somewhere will always be willing to do it anyway just for shiggles. It's the age old 'is the work really worth the effort for what I'm getting out of it' routine.

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- Both Slim & Fat models are now on an equal field, meaning people wont be buying used models of the original line-up, thus boosting sales of the currently available Slimlines. (when a unit is sold used in any store *gamestop* as an example the company makes 0 profit)

As some other posters have mentioned in that thread there really never has been a level playing field when we're talking about the PS3 models. Just about every generation is slightly different in what it comes equipped with since Sony has been fumbling around in the dark since the early days trying to make the damned thing profitable (which they have finally just started succeeding at).

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- Bringing back the console to what it was originally meant for, basically now we only have the options to play games on it, its a giant psp we cant carry in our pockets thus boosting  game sales.

The PS3 has always been billed as a multimedia machine that "does everything" (to rip right out of their own recent marketing campaign). Taking out something like this really only slaps users in the face since this new firmware "update" is about as innovative as the PSP Go. In fact the company would love it if they could actually get away with marketing PS3 Go to their loyal fan-base where they rip out the Blu-Ray player and force everyone to download all their games and movies so they can take out the middle man and reap more profits and still convince you that you're getting something better out it (while still paying $200 dollars extra for it).

Sony doesn't make any of these decisions for the gamers. they make them for themselves. Not that this point is contested anywhere in your post but it's just something to keep in mind when you go defending them again. Speaking of which i noticed the argument lacked any positives or negatives list that had anything to do with the consumer in any way. oh right, because this decision wasn't made out of any consideration for the consumer. Sony is conglomeration of gigantic douche bags who just happen to make good hardware with big red lights attached talking about not letting somebody called Dave do anything the big red light doesn't want them to...

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- It saves the company future legal trouble

If this was really going to be such a problem they should have never introduced the option in the first place. In laymen's terms, legal issues my ASS!

Merely getting rid of the Linux option does absolutely nothing to the quote on quote "problem" and the people who actually used the Linux option for "hacking" (lol) are just going to get around it anyway (by not opting for the update or finding some other way around it (which has also already been discussed). there always is and always will be ways around it unless of course they make an encrypted key that self destructs which would then make the entire system un-updatable (lol). Knowing Sony though they might just try it if they could only get away with it.

This whole update is just another chance for Sony to wave their gnarled cock of greed and paranoia around for a bit while they shit on their fan-base (those who actually used this feature anyway; i never did care about the other OS option. I have 2 perfectly well maintained and expensive computers for that, thank you very much. I don't really need an "almost everything" box... again!).

... Now where was i? Oh yes, i was just about to go downstairs and play FF13 again (on my PS3...)... tl;dr, i hate Sony, The end.
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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2010, 04:29:35 AM »
Thanks for all the imput so far  ;) I'll be fixing the post up later since it was based off my opinions and knowledge to make it more accurate I needed other peoples feelings on this. Rant much appreciated Natheria & Ant

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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2010, 04:35:25 AM »
I got bored of trying to hack a PSP back in the day. (I had a gen1). Sony's stuff is just too annoying to deal with for stuff like that. Just use as intended and walk along your merry way.

I can sort of understand Sony's need to lock down their products in the sense they want to know exactly the experience their users get out of their product... but seriously... why the heck does everyone want to hack Sony products?
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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2010, 04:40:09 AM »
I got bored of trying to hack a PSP back in the day. (I had a gen1). Sony's stuff is just too annoying to deal with for stuff like that. Just use as intended and walk along your merry way.

I can sort of understand Sony's need to lock down their products in the sense they want to know exactly the experience their users get out of their product... but seriously... why the heck does everyone want to hack Sony products?

The whole little dog wanting to hurt the big dog idea?
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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2010, 05:35:00 AM »
I got bored of trying to hack a PSP back in the day. (I had a gen1). Sony's stuff is just too annoying to deal with for stuff like that. Just use as intended and walk along your merry way.

I can sort of understand Sony's need to lock down their products in the sense they want to know exactly the experience their users get out of their product... but seriously... why the heck does everyone want to hack Sony products?

Ummm.... $20 and half an hour of work to be able to play all PS1 games and eliminate the need to swap out UMDs?  Priceless.

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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2010, 05:55:20 AM »
I got bored of trying to hack a PSP back in the day. (I had a gen1). Sony's stuff is just too annoying to deal with for stuff like that. Just use as intended and walk along your merry way.

I can sort of understand Sony's need to lock down their products in the sense they want to know exactly the experience their users get out of their product... but seriously... why the heck does everyone want to hack Sony products?

Ummm.... $20 and half an hour of work to be able to play all PS1 games and eliminate the need to swap out UMDs?  Priceless.

Yesh unless ur stuck with newer 3K psp's or the infamous TA-V88 motherboard on the psp 2001  :-[ Which is what I have. (Pandoras wont work on them) if u have a psp 2K and the serial starts with AB02 you have yourself an unhackable psp. o.o

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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2010, 11:31:37 AM »
Those that are using the trick of not updating. Have fun, in a few months the games will require a newer version and come shipped with it. Then you can't play your games any longer, unless you hack that as well.

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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2010, 04:19:50 PM »
Those that are using the trick of not updating. Have fun, in a few months the games will require a newer version and come shipped with it. Then you can't play your games any longer, unless you hack that as well.

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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2010, 03:22:10 AM »
I got bored of trying to hack a PSP back in the day. (I had a gen1). Sony's stuff is just too annoying to deal with for stuff like that. Just use as intended and walk along your merry way.

I can sort of understand Sony's need to lock down their products in the sense they want to know exactly the experience their users get out of their product... but seriously... why the heck does everyone want to hack Sony products?

Ummm.... $20 and half an hour of work to be able to play all PS1 games and eliminate the need to swap out UMDs?  Priceless.

No... that is now. Then was then which was easily YEARS before the battery mod and rampant brickings and when the thing cost 220 to obtain etc. and MSPD were 180 dollars for a 2GB piece.

I stopped paying attention to my PSP before the release of PSP 2000 series. Had 3 brickings, 2 revivals and 1 bricking that didn't revive. 

True, it's priceless now, but back then it was the biggest pain the ass ever. I just gave away my PSP and left it at that. I don't have any doubts I'll probably pick up a PSP again one day or the thing that will come after the PSP, but when we're on the front lines... no thanks. It's too much of a headache.

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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2010, 07:22:18 PM »
Why do we need Linux on the PS3 for anyway? I have PS3slim and I care. My cousin might be mad about but he doesn't even play his PS3 anymore...
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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2010, 07:29:57 PM »
I will agree that this is certainly one of the more milder dick moves Sony has made since this change doesn't affect a whole lot of people for the most part. However it's still a dick move.

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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2010, 11:42:54 PM »
Well that didn't take long.  "GeoHot hacks PS3 3.21 firmware re-enabling Linux option."

Read more: http://www.geek.com/articles/games/geohot-hacks-ps3-3-21-firmware-re-enabling-linux-option-2010048/#ixzz0kYj1c2A9

Looks like the new hack may even allow PS3 Slim models to run Linux.

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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2010, 12:22:36 AM »
Well that didn't take long.  "GeoHot hacks PS3 3.21 firmware re-enabling Linux option."

Read more: http://www.geek.com/articles/games/geohot-hacks-ps3-3-21-firmware-re-enabling-linux-option-2010048/#ixzz0kYj1c2A9

Looks like the new hack may even allow PS3 Slim models to run Linux.


Most likely would have come out even without Sony getting rid of "Other OS".
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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2010, 01:51:28 AM »
Well that didn't take long.  "GeoHot hacks PS3 3.21 firmware re-enabling Linux option."

Read more: http://www.geek.com/articles/games/geohot-hacks-ps3-3-21-firmware-re-enabling-linux-option-2010048/#ixzz0kYj1c2A9

Looks like the new hack may even allow PS3 Slim models to run Linux.


Most likely would have come out even without Sony getting rid of "Other OS".

Would have taken a hell of a lot longer though.  GeoHot started getting serious about it because of this move.

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Re: Sonys removal of "Other OS"
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2010, 04:02:36 AM »
Well that didn't take long.  "GeoHot hacks PS3 3.21 firmware re-enabling Linux option."

Read more: http://www.geek.com/articles/games/geohot-hacks-ps3-3-21-firmware-re-enabling-linux-option-2010048/#ixzz0kYj1c2A9

Looks like the new hack may even allow PS3 Slim models to run Linux.


Most likely would have come out even without Sony getting rid of "Other OS".

Would have taken a hell of a lot longer though.  GeoHot started getting serious about it because of this move.

Really? You think so? Accelerated? By a few months?
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