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Offline Micharus

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Adventures in Computing
« on: April 04, 2010, 12:17:57 PM »
Got a new pc the other day... well mostly new.

New stuff: case, motherboard, cpu, ram, video card, 2 HD's (1TB & 500GB both SATA)

Old stuff: 3 HD's (1TB (sata), 500GB & 160GB (OS) PATA)

Had hoped to move OS to new drive.... didn't work and I messed up the drive where I had all of the setup files (for other programs) by making a stupid mistake.

Luckily I managed to retrieve a lot of files from that drive, including most of the anime I had torrented from BAKA.

Unfortunately, I lost some of the anime that liked, so I'll have to re-d/l them.

It's probably a good thing that things went haywire, everything is a lot neater and a darn sight faster than it used to be.

Now to work out what I need to d/l again.

New PC's... fun and frustrating at the same time.  ::)
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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2010, 12:23:51 PM »
I hope you got a quad core CPU. I really want a quad core CPU..
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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2010, 12:31:53 PM »
I hope you got a quad core CPU. I really want a quad core CPU..

Ummm yes, yes I did.

Lets just say I lashed out and bought some really nice gear, I won't need to upgrade again anytime soon, with a bit of luck..... I'm just having a gripe about the dramas I've had to go through with moving info between the old pc and the new one.

Oh yeah, virtually brand new DVD r/w burner (3 months old) turned up it's toes and died on me..... I'm currently running a CD burner and a DVD rom drive.. both are at least 2 years old and were stored in anti-static bags. Both are working perfectly! <3 <3
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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2010, 01:01:46 PM »
Those i7s really know how to churn butter, the older quad extremes are nowhere near the i7s.
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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2010, 07:09:39 PM »
i7? Does they contain 4 core processors?

That'd be extremely handy for some fast high quality encoding. Currently I'm stuck with one core since my new Dual Core apparently won't work properly.

I still remember when I got a new laptop some months ago. For the next couple of days you just want to use it and explore it 24/7. ;) download demos and see how much better it works than your old one, fill it up with some good stuff and tell everyone about it! :D

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Had hoped to move OS to new drive.... didn't work and I messed up the drive where I had all of the setup files by making a stupid mistake.
How exactly would you go about doing that? Using an image of your drive? Just moving setup files to the new computer? ??? that's bound to fail.

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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2010, 07:26:22 PM »
I constantly ask myself what's so special about the quad core i series, then i hop onto my laptop with it's T series C2D to do some processor heavy stuff + trying to multitask while I'm away from home and i suddenly remember why i love my i5 so much...  8)

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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2010, 07:34:09 PM »
i7? Does they contain 4 core processors?
Yup, 4 cores but it shows up as 8 cores due to hyper-threading. Some have 2 cores iirc... Wish I had one though, stuck with a crap c2d e6300 xD

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Had hoped to move OS to new drive.... didn't work and I messed up the drive where I had all of the setup files by making a stupid mistake.
How exactly would you go about doing that? Using an image of your drive? Just moving setup files to the new computer? ??? that's bound to fail.
Well as long the new drive is in the exact same location (connected to same SATA/PATA port) and the filesystem on it is exactly the same, I don't see why it won't work. You could probably do that with something like Acronis True Image I guess. I know I've done it with a simple "cp -arv" to transfer my Linux install from one HDD to another, and it worked perfectly, but I doubt one cp command would work on a Windows install, then again, it might be that simple... Gotta try it someday :P
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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2010, 10:15:53 PM »
Hyper-threading is nearly useless  except for poorly coded applications.    If you ever do anyting CPU intensive, make sure you do some tests with it on and off to see which is better.

Even a Core 2 quad will do nicely in a well written, multithreaded app.


Too bad i7's cost so much though..   next best thing would be an i5-750.
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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2010, 11:24:43 PM »
Multi-threading is just for showing off to others that you have eight threads running in taskmanager.
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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2010, 11:29:42 PM »
Looks pretty awesome though :P

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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2010, 11:50:17 PM »
I can't wait to get my i7 installed.  While I do love my Core 2 Quad, it is going to be nothing compared to a i7-975.  And it will feel even better since it was free ;)

Multi-threading is just for showing off to others that you have eight threads running in taskmanager.

for the average computer user, sure.  But Multithreading is a very important (and annoying) resource for programmers.

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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2010, 12:18:51 AM »
Those i7s really know how to churn butter, the older quad extremes are nowhere near the i7s.

Heh, went with an i5 750, it's quad core and will do me quite nicely.

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Moving the OS does work, I've done it before, BUT (you knew this was coming, right?) it seems that windoze doesn't like being moved to another system that is radically different to the one it was installed on.

As to how to move it to another drive, you make an image of the OS on the drive you want to move it to and it normally works.

I accidentally put the image on the wrong drive (D'OH!) and fairly successfully wiped out most of the info on it.

Hopefully I will be able to re-seed a lot of the anime I've d/l'd.

Yes, I've Read the FAQ and have ONE seeding again, just to see if I could get it work, but nobody seems to want it.  ::)

Going to be checking my 'leeched' list to see which ones I need to re-seed and I've already spotted one anime series that was lost in the accident that I want to get again that is on that list.
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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2010, 12:53:45 AM »
Looks pretty awesome though :P

TWO?! i7 extremes?! WTF?! OMG awesome server boards!!

I would love to get an i7 but I got an i5 750 as well, but still this bakes cakes a lot faster than the C2Qs, even overclocks better.
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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2010, 12:56:22 AM »
Looks pretty awesome though :P

TWO?! i7 extremes?! WTF?! OMG awesome server boards!!

I would love to get an i7 but I got an i5 750 as well, but still this bakes cakes a lot faster than the C2Qs, even overclocks better.

lol I seem to see the letters 'AMD' in the darkness.
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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2010, 01:21:33 AM »
In my book there really is no reason to get anything more than an i5 750 except for E-peen. I have yet to come in contact with anything that this processor can't handle and since the absence of multithreading is the only difference between the 750 and any other i7 Lynnfield than what's the point?

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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2010, 01:40:40 AM »
Looks pretty awesome though :P

TWO?! i7 extremes?! WTF?! OMG awesome server boards!!

I would love to get an i7 but I got an i5 750 as well, but still this bakes cakes a lot faster than the C2Qs, even overclocks better.

lol I seem to see the letters 'AMD' in the darkness.
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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2010, 01:56:51 AM »
In my book there really is no reason to get anything more than an i5 750 except for E-peen. I have yet to come in contact with anything that this processor can't handle and since the absence of multithreading is the only difference between the 750 and any other i7 Lynnfield than what's the point?
I respectfully disagree. With certain applications where the processing pipeline is not fully utilised, having hyperthreading can increase usage of the processor, by fulfilling requests from other threads while the core is waiting on a particular thread (done by duplicating resources logically). In certain applications, this shows a marked improvement in application performance.

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Generally speaking, encoding and rendering apps get the most performance improvement from having HT enabled. If you do either of these 2 on a frequent basis, the additional cost of $100 or less (for an entry i7 over i5-750) is not that great compared to the cost of a new CPU+motherboard anyway (if you're upgrading from an older socket), and gives a significant improvement in performance.

However, I do agree that for the rest of the world, hyperthreading is not that useful.

Firstly, because OSes are not hyperthreading-aware yet, and can't differentiate between logical cores and physical cores yet. For apps that do not benefit from HT (especially those that take a performance hit from HT instead), running on 2 logical cores from the same physical core gives worse performance than running on 2 logical cores from different physical cores.
A hyperthreading-aware OS that is programmed with this difference in mind will be able to assign threads to logical cores more appropriately, depending on how taxed the physical core is. Right now we're not seeing this yet, but since AMD has plans to implement hyperthreading on their processors as well, perhaps we'll see this soon, and hyperthreading users can have their cake and eat it too (let some apps benefit from HT without other apps taking the performance hit).

Secondly, applications that benefit most from hyperthreading are typically encoding and rendering apps - not quite your usual 'normal consumer' applications. Even for some applications that benefit a little from HT (e.g. virus scanners, file archiving programs), the performance increase is barely noticeable for their typical usage scenarios, which are smaller-scale.

For your typical power user, the real benefit of the i7-860 over an i5-750 would be the extra speed bin - hardly worth $100, IMO.

tl;dr If you do lots of encoding or rendering, i7 is worth it. If you don't, i7 is probably not worth it. If you have an i5-750, don't bother upgrading to an i7-860. If you have lots of money to spend anyway or need epeen, buy an i7.

Looks pretty awesome though :P

TWO?! i7 extremes?! WTF?! OMG awesome server boards!!

I would love to get an i7 but I got an i5 750 as well, but still this bakes cakes a lot faster than the C2Qs, even overclocks better.

lol I seem to see the letters 'AMD' in the darkness.
Wait... I failed.
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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2010, 02:22:01 AM »
Looks pretty awesome though :P

TWO?! i7 extremes?! WTF?! OMG awesome server boards!!

I would love to get an i7 but I got an i5 750 as well, but still this bakes cakes a lot faster than the C2Qs, even overclocks better.

lol I seem to see the letters 'AMD' in the darkness.
Wait... I failed.

failed how it says AMD not sure what is its but its clear

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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2010, 04:28:26 AM »
I thought about getting an i7, seriously I did.

Then I thought 'do I really need need that much power' and the answer was 'NO'.
I did get the top end i5 cpu though.

The motherboard I got DOES support the i7, by a small bit of luck. I may want to 'upgrade' in a couple of years, so that is a useful thing to know.
I had 3 motherboards listed that the place I went to might have had in stock and they picked the best of them.
Oddly it wasn't the most expensive one either.

Compared to what I was running, a 3ghz single core, the i5 750 is mind blastingly fast, even if it is 'only' 2.6ghz.
I have seen the 'Atomic' magazine where they overclock this CPU to 3+ghz using the stock cooler, but I don't think I want to mess with overclocking yet, not until I am *really* sure I'm not going to break it.  ;D
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Re: Adventures in Computing
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2010, 04:37:21 AM »
The motherboard I got DOES support the i7, by a small bit of luck. I may want to 'upgrade' in a couple of years, so that is a useful thing to know.

Any board which supports the i3 and i5 series will also support LGA1156 i7 series chips.  If you really want an i7, go all out and get a real one, you know the LGA1366 models with a triple channel memory interface?  Otherwise you're just getting an i5 with a bump in clockspeed.