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I've been thinking about this for the past several days (god knows why...), and I figured I'd share my awesome musings...

Do you think you'd be able to win, if you had a katana, against...
an elephant.
a bear.
a lion pride.

Discuss your answer. Why do you think you would or wouldn't be able to win?

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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2010, 02:43:53 PM »
i think this is just another topic awaiting the banhammer

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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2010, 02:45:21 PM »
No chance against those.


Elephant is way too big.
Bear kills with one swipe to the head.
And pride of lions is too many. One lion maybe a small chance.

Give me a spear and I will win that bear though.

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Re: Do you think you'd be able to win, if you had a katana, against...
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2010, 02:46:23 PM »
With my Flying Heaven Honorable Sword Style(aka Ultrasonic Sword Style, aka Hiten Mitsurugi-rye) and my Furanui Kenjutsu(search Hitokiri Gensai), only a Mammoth or a Saber-tooth will be able to stop my unstoppable hack-n-slash killing spree that even rivals Kawakami Gensai.
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Re: Do you think you'd be able to win, if you had a katana, against...
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2010, 03:19:27 PM »
haha! I dont need any katana, I use my STARLIGHT BREAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEER!!!! to kill em all at the same time </troll>

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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2010, 03:43:33 PM »
Elephant if you have good luck and you get close enough.

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Re: Do you think you'd be able to win, if you had a katana, against...
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2010, 05:22:35 PM »
Should I add a zombie? Cause, I'm pretty sure most people could at least take out a zombie...

Anyone that has done tameshigiri knows that it is designed to mimic cutting through actual bone and flesh. I am assuming the sword should be a 5 body ryu guruma, not some crappy fake blade.

Elephant: It is just as likely that I would die as it is that I would win. Even if I can cut through green bamboo and a tami mat, an elephant has very thick bones and very thick muscle, so it would be incredibly difficult and I am not so strong that I think I could take one out. I think the only chance would be to kneecap it and finish it off after it collapses under its own weight. It's unlikely one would be able to take out an entire leg of that density, but it would be possible to cause sufficient injury to make the beast collapse under its own massive weight. I would imagine one would want to do this in motion to avoid being crushed, since the elephant wouldn't just magically stop so soon before succumbing to its own weight. You'd need to either take it from the side or move in such a way to avoid getting trampled or whacked by the trunk. Trampling could kill you and the trunk would be enough to knock you back several yards and maybe unconscious... then it's likely it would come crush you. But, if you could manage to take out a knee and make it collapse, you have more or less won. An elephant skull is very thick, but if you've disabled it enough that you can move around much more agile than the elephant, then it would be not so difficult to further disable and kill it. Overall, if it was charging, even having studied swordsmanship for years... I'd say I'd have a far greater chance of dying than living.

Bear: Maybe. If it was enraged and charging then probably little chance of survival. The only real chance would be to get a fatal first strike. The bear's charge would be its own worst disadvantage. A human's own strength would render it difficult to cut through a bear's thick muscle and bone, but with the force and strength of a bear behind the blade, then you would have a very good chance of clean penetration. With a charge, if you manage to aim correctly as it comes at you with an overwhelming power, then you'll likely live. But if you don't get the fatal blow at that one chance, then you're done. Fortunately, it's unlikely the bear would live very long after the encounter with the blade piercing its entire body. Hopefully you will have at least damaged something vital, though without an instant kill, you will die regardless.

In turn, I think I would have a decent chance against a bear under normal circumstances with a katana. I am assuming it's aggressive, but trying to intimidate by going into a standing position, roaring and whatnot. It leaves itself very vulnerable in such a situation, but it is instinct and it does not understand such things. It's likely I could get a first strike and that's all it would take. If not, using the bear's own strength of its swings when it tries to maul, it would be entirely possible to dismember it. I doubt someone untrained would have much of a chance, but... I think I'd have a higher chance of surviving than not against a bear, assuming it's not charging. At the very least, the bear wouldn't live longer than a few days after the encounter unless I happened to be very unlucky and got caught off guard, in which case I could probably die in a single swipe. Not so much from the 5 inch claws, but the power behind the hit would be enough to snap my spine in two. I think I could do it though...

Lion pride: Not a snowflake's chance in hell. A lion is about as big as a horse (if you've never seen one up close, they're HUGE). One on one, I'd have less chance of survival than fighting a bear. But, I'd say it's doable... not easy, and not without scars, but probably doable.... An entire pride though, no way. I might be able to at least mortally wound one or two, but if the pride even had just one more lioness then I really doubt it. The chances go down exponentially as their numbers increase. If they came from the front one at a time, then I'd have a somewhat decent chance of survival, but since they're intelligent hunters, it's far more likely they'd come more than one at a time and from multiple directions. Since lions actually jump and overpower their prey with their entire weight, even getting off a fatal strike on one would prove fatal because the power behind their attack would knock you to the ground at the very least and once that happens you're as good as dead because then the others would come in for the kill. So yeah... against an entire pride, zero to no chance.

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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2010, 05:39:04 PM »
You are weird.   :o

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Re: Do you think you'd be able to win, if you had a katana, against...
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2010, 05:44:43 PM »
I told you I'd been thinking about it for several days... >.>...

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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2010, 05:48:34 PM »
It all depends.... are they armed with pointed sticks or pieces of fruit?

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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2010, 05:51:44 PM »
you could win against an elephant if you aimed at the throat.

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Re: Do you think you'd be able to win, if you had a katana, against...
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2010, 05:59:29 PM »
I doubt the throat would result in a win on your part. You might end up killing it eventually, but you're gonna die. To get in that close you have to get past the trunk which is pure muscle and trying to whack you. Beyond that, even if you do slash the throat, it's still going to trample the shit out of you. It would take some time to bleed out.



If you manage to kneecap it, you might have a chance, but that trunk's bigger than you are and its neck is so high that it's really unlikely you could cut into it with much force. I really doubt going for the the throat would result in anything other than death for you... I don't even think the blade's long enough to go through the throat and into the heart, maybe into the skull... but with the density of that along with its muscle and skin density, it'd require the elephant's own weight and power rather than your own, and at the point that an elephant is putting that kind of weight on you, you're already dead.

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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2010, 07:16:20 PM »
You do know that those pics are posed so the bear looks biger than it actually is?  ;)

I think there are better chances against a lion than against a bear. While they weight around the same the strenght difference is just too much.
If a brown bear can kill lion with one swipe which crushes it's skull I don't think I have much of a choice.
Not to mention stopping a chargin bear is pretty futile with a sword. A spear which you can set against ground yes but a sword? I'd like to see someone try.  ;D

I have to say you're pretty positive person since you think about winning against an elephant.  :D

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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2010, 07:30:11 PM »
Do not have to think. I would not win against any of these things. I mean even I was a bit trained to handle katana I still would not win. The first two are to big and the third one..darn its a pride of lions there is bunch of huge predators that can easily rip apart not only human but even bigger animals. Pride is like few of these big cats right. If it was one...maybe, but I doubt that as well, they are much more agile then I am and most likely much more smarten when it comes to hunting...
But then with the bear there is a chance that it could slip and just accidentally fall on katana that I would drop while trying to run away, or I would pretend to be dead while holding katana up...but the if I was holding it the bear would most likely squeeze me to death....
It would be much more fun if I would meet a clumsy pride of lions and all of them would trip and fall onto my dropped katana....

Well but I might be able to injure these animals. I could imagine that I could injure them for sure.

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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2010, 01:14:54 AM »
The bear is the one you will have the highest chance of survival being as it isn't like the elephant with the thick muscles and hard bone, and it isn't like a pride of lions. Now I will say against a single lion you would have a better chance then a bear in most circumstances. Now being as I put it that way, the likeliness of winning in these fights are still all low.

Fighting against a bear you have one advantage is that as long as it isn't charging you you will more then likely get the first strike. Now if it is charging you there is a going to be major problems with getting that first strike unless you are very  agile. Impaling a charging bar is going to be of no benefit since if you don't kill it with that blow you now lost your sword almost guaranteed and it is now even more enraged. So a charging bear you have very low chance, a bear being aggressive and trying to scare you is when you have the highest chance to win though make a mistake you still can lose easily.

Lions Pride, this is going to be the hardest. One on one you will have high chance as long as you aren't jumped since then it is a battle of wits and not a battle of hunters. Now a lions pride you very little chance since one mistake means six of them on top of you, not to mention this is now a battle of hunters and not a wits. So you take this I would say you have a higher chance of winning against an elephant then a lions pride. Though you still have that chance that you can take them down, you will just have to be very agile and avoid ever getting knocked on the ground.

Now to the elephants, these are very muscular animals and have thing bones on top of that. So you not only are going to have to use lots of wits to disable the animal before going in for the killing blow this is going to also take a fair bit of strength to do. As mentioned before you could go for the knees and disabling the elephant in that way, but you still pose the chance of being crushed. As another person said you could go for the throat but now you also have the trunk to worry about. So now if you were to aim after getting behind the elephant to take out the knees you have a chance at winning if you can get both of those knees out and get to a spot of safety and then come in for your next set of attacks. Though another way would be to aim at taking out that trunk, this would take lots of patience and very good aim. Then after that you would have the open ability to attack from many other areas that weren't open before. The elephant is going to be a hard beast to take out no matter which way you go they all have about the same chance of survival.

Would I try fighting these beasts with a katana willingly hell no, if it happened I would hope for the best but still wouldn't be to sure if I would live or die.
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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2010, 01:33:06 AM »
Lions - C'mon, multiple lions?  Yeah right, you're dead.

Bear - No way, these will kill you in a swipe.  Their hide is too tough for katanas.  Bear protective gear is more expensive than shark protective gear.

Elephant - Katanas are a slashing weapon.  You'd need something with more stabbing power, and to be really tall to get at the throat.  If it was a BROAD sword I bet I could kill an elephant maybe.

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2010, 01:36:08 AM »
This reminds me of when I was caught face to face with a cougar at 15m with nothing but a 9cm knife. I managed to slowly back away and avoid a confrontation, but I started carrying a pistol when outdoors shortly there after.

The grizzlies and especially the moose around here are far more of a threat than cougars (which I rank alongside the black bears and wolves), but it still scared the shit out of me. When I thought I was far enough away, I turned and ran down the trail back to my car, and drove home instead of camping.

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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2010, 02:25:35 AM »
I could easily dispatch all three


Elephant -  Not a naturally hostel creature, therefore, I could easily deliver a killing blow before it knew what hit him.


Bear -  Ever seen Grizzly Man?   His problem was he thought of them as friends...  And didn't have a katana with him! 


Pride of Lions -  Pfft, easiest one here!  I mean come on!  They're cats for christsake!  I'm way too much of a badass to be taken down by a bunch of cats!

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Re: Do you think you'd be able to win, if you had a katana, against...
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2010, 03:55:24 AM »
Lions - C'mon, multiple lions?  Yeah right, you're dead.

Bear - No way, these will kill you in a swipe.  Their hide is too tough for katanas.  Bear protective gear is more expensive than shark protective gear.

Elephant - Katanas are a slashing weapon.  You'd need something with more stabbing power, and to be really tall to get at the throat.  If it was a BROAD sword I bet I could kill an elephant maybe.

Katanas are actually a slashing and stabbing weapon. They are very effective at stabbing. The only way you're going to inflict similar damage with a much duller and heavier broadsword is by sheer strength. If you're built like Ronnie Coleman then you might have a shot with a broadsword, but I doubt it. The idea is to be more agile and faster than the elephant... trying to overpower something that powerful is a joke.

Besides, you would inflict much more damage with that same amount of strength if you were using a katana instead.

A broadsword is thick and heavy. It was made to fight many battles against heavy armors and clashing against other heavy weapons. You don't want something thick and heavy for stabbing, you want something thin and sharp. You want something thick and heavy for hacking; of which, a khopesh (or an axe) would be more suited to the task than a broadsword (though standing there and swinging with all your might is going to get you killed). Though to be honest, if we're going to pick and choose martial weapons, then you'd be better off with a spear, or pudao.

I also believe a proper katana wielded correctly could easily damage a bear. The fact is, they use a lot of strength and the more strength put on a very sharp object, the better that sharp object becomes. It's sort of like a piece of straw going through a telephone pole during a tornado. Normally this would not be possible, but if you put enough power into something, it can do scary things. In old times katanas were graded by how many prisoners it could cut through in a single swing. The good ones were usually graded around 5, the best recorded was 7. Do you really think a sword that can slice through 7 people in one swing couldn't cut through a bear? The only limitation on what it can cut is the strength you can put behind it.

I think a bear is actually a great enemy. With the power it puts behind a swing, if you connect your blade, then the bear is going to be left dismembered. Cutting through its dense muscle and bone with your own swing would be harder. A bear is quite stupid in a sword fight though... it exposes all of its vital points (and the belly is the softest spot on most animals). A low slash to its groin could leave it bleeding out within 2 minutes. But that's either going to piss it off a lot, or it's going to decide fighting you isn't worth its life. Either way, it would die... The question would be if it's taking you with it. I wouldn't really want to take that kinda chance though... I'd either go for a more instant fatal strike or ensure that I can get in strikes without taking a blow myself. If you can do this against swords, a paw shouldn't be so hard. Although, trying to block it with the sword is going to knock you down and probably knock the sword out of your hands. Bears aren't exactly very tricky in their technique, so if you meet its swing then chances are even if it does knock you back, it'll wound the bear badly, if not take off the limb entirely. You'll just have to recover quickly... Although, a bear missing an arm probably won't be so eager to keep fighting you.

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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2010, 04:51:41 AM »
I would sell the katana and buy lots and lots of peanuts and other food that elephants enjoy.  Then I would befriend the elephant and tell him that if he can help me with my bear and lion problem, I will feed him peanuts and whatever else it is that elephants like.  If the elephant ever turned on me, I would send him to Norway.  Problem solved.