Warcraft Cataclysm

[HSSDamian]

Pre-Ordered Cataclysm for some reason, I don't even want it.
Gear is rigged to hell, over powered like crazy.

Do you have any fucking idea how expansions work?  

The stats are scaled up, yeah they may seem like a lot now, but that's how it was for BC and WotLK.  The jump from Nax 40 epics to BC greens was pretty retarded, so I wouldn't be complaining now.

It's max level is only 85 so why would ret pally's with normal gear have 50k HP, up from 30-35k (Level 80)

Before you know it, a level 10 will be running around with 30k HP and hitting 50ks.

[Tatsujin]

Pre-Ordered Cataclysm for some reason, I don't even want it.
Gear is rigged to hell, over powered like crazy.

Do you have any fucking idea how expansions work?  

The stats are scaled up, yeah they may seem like a lot now, but that's how it was for BC and WotLK.  The jump from Nax 40 epics to BC greens was pretty retarded, so I wouldn't be complaining now.

It's max level is only 85 so why would ret pally's with normal gear have 50k HP, up from 30-35k (Level 80)

Before you know it, a level 10 will be running around with 30k HP and hitting 50ks.

Sarcasm aside. All your lovely ICC epics, even the heroic ICC gear will get replaced by high-end greens or any level 81-83 blues (81 for sure).

My shadowmourne is going to get replaced with a level 81 crafted blue sword ... The highest tier item, is that good enough? You can't go inside most normal five man instances with your ICC gear (84-85 basically) let alone the heroics are fucking epic crazy which require you to have ilvl 333 which is recommended by blizzard, also the instance will gear check you before you can get in. I'm not making it up. I played the Beta and to prove it here is a sample of people with few greens-blues and ICC high end epics (heroics) trying to do a 5 man heroic dungeon ...

Wrath was shit, BC expansion was so-so (kinda better than average) and I loved vanilla. Cata is a combination of Vanilla and BC. Check the video up there, watch the entire video and listen to this dude... there's a bunch of videos on youtube and commentary's on how hard heroic 5's are all about. you also need heroic items (and some exceptional blues) in order to do a cata raid.

[xfreidax]

Just watched that vid. Couple quick questions.

So there's going to be a heroic mode for all the vanilla instances tuned for level 80+?

And how viable are moonkins for dps these days? Did they eventually end up giving balance druids cc? Like roots that you can use in instances that will actually stick.

I'm tempted to play again. I stopped after BC.

[psychodude]

Just watched that vid. Couple quick questions.

So there's going to be a heroic mode for all the vanilla instances tuned for level 80+?

And how viable are moonkins for dps these days? Did they eventually end up giving balance druids cc? Like roots that you can use in instances that will actually stick.

I'm tempted to play again. I stopped after BC.

Currently in Wrath Boomkins if capable with their class can do insane amounts of DPS, as any other rDPS class basically. Their CC abilities are still pretty similar as to what it used to be, but the efficiency of that just like in the past is still the same, high. Don't hit it, it won't get messed up. They're great snarers, and if you just have a good communication over vent you can snare a bunch with druids and nuke 1 target at a time where needed.

The latter in Cata will definitely become important.

[Tatsujin]

Just watched that vid. Couple quick questions.

So there's going to be a heroic mode for all the vanilla instances tuned for level 80+?

And how viable are moonkins for dps these days? Did they eventually end up giving balance druids cc? Like roots that you can use in instances that will actually stick.

I'm tempted to play again. I stopped after BC.

They're really good thou' they were buffed in certain areas and nerfed in other areas (starfall was nerfed since it was too damn powerful). Only two instances from Vanilla are getting a re-work for a 5 man heroic to what I heard.

Most classes just got some CC abilities, like warrior's intercept if glyph'd can stun for 4 seconds. Plus we also get a 40 yard range Heroic Leap which allows the warrior to leap in the air and to his or her enemies very quickly, landing ontop of them which will stun them for 1.5 seconds and does 100% damage in 8 yards to any enemy around them. Shares CD with charge and has a 1 minute CD (charge is about 20-25 seconds). We also get Throwdown (Arms only) which stuns the target for 5 seconds and is a 45 second CD. That's just us. Rogues have enough stuns so nothing new in them (they can heal themselves now but for very low amount). Other classes can do some other wicked stuff. I would say come back the last 3 days before Cata comes out and prep yourself. I'm sure the world will be Sundered by then.

You did a good job by avoiding Wrath, it really sucks for PvE content other than ICC raids (downing LK and doing heroic modes is fun). Wrath is just utter junk. Cata is a lot better than what people think. I thought it was going to be another Wrath and inflating the numbers seemed like a bad idea. But they have good reasons behind it and they're doing everything the way it must be done to make it challenging and enjoyable.

[mgz]

boomkins as far as i knew aint topping the meter but can do good dps and more importantly provide awesome buffs

[McDincht]

I'll be picking this up an starting to play again, all be it temporary as I know how much time WoW can take up and I don't want to jeopardize my final year of university, but I'll be looking forward to starting 2 new characters i each of the new races as I've played the rest to death, hell with the new changes I might play a few of the new classes.

I'll be avoiding my old toons though, I think they've had their run.. I might perhaps loot their account for all the gold I have left.

[kyanwan]

The shattering is today!   

If you haven't been on in a while - log in after 5pm PST --- new Azeroth is online tonight.

Log in and get your "I was killed by DEATHWING" feat of strength lmao. 

[Tatsujin]

Just in time. Awesome graphics and lots of new features. Stormwind looks amazing. The funny part? Arms is doing too much damage ... Fury is completely broke (took a large nerf) and Arms is doing about 50% more damage than the previous patch. In my PvP gear, I hit between 11-15K from MS/Revenge/HS. In my PvE gear, I hit 14-19.5k with all three skills on average. I'm gonna go fuck around with people in BGs before this gets nerfed.

[Havoc10K]

I been reading through this and decided to say a few words.

@Tatsujin, your guild sux.
on my server there are 50 guilds that cleared Halion 25 heroic, not to mention they go and kill Lich King for the lulz on heroic, yes they are mostly hardcore, but even my crappy guild killed halion on 10 heroic, that is shit game, at the very least Halion brought some decent rape in the game, and thought idiots that there is no way you can casually beat this bastard.

@Cataclysm
I love the idea of nerfing so much while giving so much, a lot of people don't even understand why those changes are making the game difficult, we say, ABOUT TIME !
lich King expansion was so damn easy I could barely do anything interesting, Ulduar was fun only with hardmodes, Heroic Lich King was interesting, but still too easy for the gear we had, serious ass kicking was where it is at, a raid without a single WIPE is not a raid, it's a cake walk, PVP was and will always be unfair for the alliance, reason is simple, Horde have better racials, at the very least the new battlegrounds will have some decent job done on them.

I'm no longer laying the game until the release of Cata, I'm not playing since 4 months, cuz the game is so damn easy I can't bear it.

[Arveene]

ITT: People calling other people bad in one of the easiest games ever. Cool.

Edit: I'd also like to see what server has fifty guilds that have killed heroic Halion. Considering even the best realms will have maybe 10ish guilds that have killed heroic LK, and Halion is harder than heroic LK for sure. 10 man doesn't count btw.

[AceD]

nerdwars are always awesome

[Tatsujin]

I been reading through this and decided to say a few words.

@Tatsujin, your guild sux.
on my server there are 50 guilds that cleared Halion 25 heroic, not to mention they go and kill Lich King for the lulz on heroic, yes they are mostly hardcore, but even my crappy guild killed halion on 10 heroic, that is shit game, at the very least Halion brought some decent rape in the game, and thought idiots that there is no way you can casually beat this bastard.

@Cataclysm
I love the idea of nerfing so much while giving so much, a lot of people don't even understand why those changes are making the game difficult, we say, ABOUT TIME !
lich King expansion was so damn easy I could barely do anything interesting, Ulduar was fun only with hardmodes, Heroic Lich King was interesting, but still too easy for the gear we had, serious ass kicking was where it is at, a raid without a single WIPE is not a raid, it's a cake walk, PVP was and will always be unfair for the alliance, reason is simple, Horde have better racials, at the very least the new battlegrounds will have some decent job done on them.

I'm no longer laying the game until the release of Cata, I'm not playing since 4 months, cuz the game is so damn easy I can't bear it.

My guild sucks? That's really offending. We've done 10/12 ICC on 25 heroic. That's not good enough? Halion heroic? We didn't do him. We've only done him once. We're not super hardcore to lay waste of every minute of our lives to down bosses. We're on an RP server. Did you notice that? My guild built 12 legendaries, we have strong reputation on the server and we're one of the oldest ... if anything, an old guild that didn't break up for stupid reasons. You know how many people bailed on us and "convinced" some of our members that "oh this guild sucks it's not going to last long"? About 4 tards and they went and made their own guild. 3 of them failed, the fourth person who I personally trained and pushed him up the ranks betrayed the guild. The guy doesn't even do officer work and complains about it. He left about 2 weeks ago or so and took few members and asked others to join him from our guild. How amusing can this get.

Oh yea, I have more rares and achievements than you and I wield two legendaries. My account is expensive enough to sell it in thousands on eBay.

ITT: People calling other people bad in one of the easiest games ever. Cool.

Edit: I'd also like to see what server has fifty guilds that have killed heroic Halion. Considering even the best realms will have maybe 10ish guilds that have killed heroic LK, and Halion is harder than heroic LK for sure. 10 man doesn't count btw.

Define which part of the game is easy. I'm seriously curious.

[zat0x91]

LK 25 Heroic is a fucking joke if you have people who aren't playing around with their dicks and keyboard turning.

Halion Heroic 25 is hard, but yet my guild can kill him in one day; we've been running a two day raiding schedule for the past 3 months, so much for "super hardcore to lay waste of every minute of our lives to down bosses".

Achievements are mainly worthless; who cares that you rep grinded x amount for this faction, and so on.  Only time it would be used for is if you killed a hard encounter WHEN it mattered; not when you out gear the fuck out of it.

Casuals have Shadowmourne... Guilds that don't do hard modes on 25 CAN get a Shadowmourne; they're not difficult to get, they just require you do clear the instance weekly.

You don't have any server first titles or difficult titles (Death's Demise, Grand Crusader, Celestial Defender, Light of the Dawn) that would make your account cost more than $1,500.

LK 25 heroic is easy :/

We've done 10/12 ICC on 25 heroic. That's not good enough?

Nope.  My previous guild managed to get 11/12 back in APRIL and they're terrible.

[mgz]

i have been to lazy to read about cataclysm, but IMO just adding hardmodes doesnt = making the game harder for me. Hardmodes arent fun they dont make the game harder they basically just make a single boss fight longer.

Prebc was nice because as you progressed there were fights that were easy and difficult, AQ40 and Nax40 were great challenging enough that you had trouble but once you learned how to do it and everyone knew their shit there wasnt the oops 1 person fucked up dead raid like you get in a lot of HM.

I want challenging fights not the same fight with stupid twists and 40% more health.

[mgz]

LK 25 Heroic is a fucking joke if you have people who aren't playing around with their dicks and keyboard turning.

Halion Heroic 25 is hard, but yet my guild can kill him in one day; we've been running a two day raiding schedule for the past 3 months :/

Achievements are mainly worthless, who cares that you rep grinded x amount for this faction, and so on.  Only time it counts is if you killed a hard encounter WHEN it mattered, not when you out gear the fuck out of it.

Casuals have Shadowmourne; guilds that don't do hard modes on 25 CAN get a Shadowmourne, they're not difficult to get.

You don't have any server first titles or difficult titles (Death's Demise, Grand Crusader, Celestial Defender, Light of the Dawn) that would make your account cost more than $1,500.

LK 25 heroic is easy :/

that and things like legendary bug mount phoenix mount(not so much though) and a few other of the rare mounts. Especially if you have things that cant be gotten anymore

[zat0x91]

I forgot to mention; no one gives a flying fuck if your guild is old.  They could still be from the first week of vanilla, but if they're terrible, it doesn't matter.

I want challenging fights not the same fight with stupid twists and 40% more health.

Firefigher and Yogg +0 were pretty much the only fights that didn't do that this entire expansion.

[Tatsujin]

I forgot to mention; no one gives a flying fuck if your guild is old.  They could still be from the first week of vanilla, but if they're terrible, it doesn't matter.

I want challenging fights not the same fight with stupid twists and 40% more health.

Firefigher and Yogg +0 were pretty much the only fights that didn't do that this entire expansion.

Yea, because really how many hours and how many days of the week did your guild raid? 4 hours a day, 5 days a week? Or was it 6-8 hours a day EVERY day? Because LK Heroic 25 is so easy that the average take down for guilds based on all servers is below 1%. Right? I'm sorry dude but LK heroic 25 is not fucking easy with half your guild being not there. It is easy if every member can do their job correctly and they've done their homework right. It is not easy to get into a high-end guild. Don't brag "oh it is easy if you do X" because I can do that X.

I'm not gonna sit on my computer waste hours of my day everyday and come here brag about it. 10/12 Heroic 25 is good enough, How many 10/12 heroic 25 guilds have actually achieved this? My guild has one problem, and it's recruiting dumb officers that don't wanna do shit and when they think they're the shit they leave the guild. It's an RP server. If you wanna get hardcore and "Oh we got this far in two months on heroic difficulty" then go join a hardcore server. Your guild wasn't terrible or shit to achieve that much in a short amount of time, because if they were to be shit then you wouldn't get there at all.

I'm proud to be in this guild and to wield its name. Excelcius isn't vodka or Paragon. Someone that tells me that my guild sucks needs to eat their shit back. We are an old guild, people do give a shit on our server because we have a reputation. My account can easily sell between 4,000 to 6,000. Do you even know what I have? No, you don't. We have a name. Shadowmourne is not easy to obtain when your facing 5-10 other classes within the same raid that can achieve it. Only one person can get it per 1-3 months.

Wow I didn't know some members were this pissy about normal guilds. I wonder if I stated anywhere that we were ultra hardcore. The only other thing I enjoy other than raiding is PvPing.

[zat0x91]

We raid from 6:30-11:30 which is pretty standard for any guild, but whatever, in total it's still less than 90% of most raiding guilds.

A lot of people don't bother to min/max, get raiding professions, research their class, and the list goes on.  There's enough reasons why most "casuals" won't bother to kill it.

It was pretty easy for me to get in a US Top 35 raiding guild.  Damn, writing an application that doesn't look like a ten year old wrote and posting WWS reports of you pulling damage you should be doing, along with you not taking damage from bad shit.  That's difficult I guess.

lol @ "hardcore" guilds; more like guilds that don't tolerate morons.

People in our guild just fucking laugh at people who think their guilds are "good" because they've been around the longest, but don't have real progression.

I know what your account has easily, by looking at your armory.  A quick glance through it shows that you don't much worth on that character.  No rare mounts or titles that are worthwhile.  Yeah, you have two legendarys, but they don't mean anything now; only thing that it shows that you have a lot of time on your hands to go farm a level 60 legendary.

I don't understand where people think that we're "ultra hardcore" because we don't tolerate idiots who can't play their class, but yet we play less than most people.  People can keep using whatever excuse to say that they're bad.

[Tatsujin]

We raid from 6:30-11:30 which is pretty standard for any guild, but whatever, in total it's still less than 90% of most raiding guilds.

A lot of people don't bother to min/max, get raiding professions, research their class, and the list goes on.  There's enough reasons why most "casuals" won't bother to kill it.

It was pretty easy for me to get in a US Top 35 raiding guild.  Damn, writing an application that doesn't look like a ten year old wrote and posting WWS reports of you pulling damage you should be doing, along with you not taking damage from bad shit.  That's difficult I guess.

lol @ "hardcore" guilds; more like guilds that don't tolerate morons.

People in our guild just fucking laugh at people who think their guilds are "good" because they've been around the longest, but don't have real progression.

I know what your account has easily, by looking at your armory.  A quick glance through it shows that you don't much worth on that character.  No rare mounts or titles that are worthwhile.  Yeah, you have two legendarys, but they don't mean anything now; only thing that it shows that you have a lot of time on your hands to go farm a level 60 legendary.

I don't understand where people think that we're "ultra hardcore" because we don't tolerate idiots who can't play their class, but yet we play less than most people.  People can keep using whatever excuse to say that they're bad.

I got the first legendary back in 2006 for your information, Hand of Rag. Oh it was so pleasant to melt faces down with it. Shadowmourne is also a nice axe to wield. Every fucking epic I have gotten I never went back and farmed my ass to get it. I got it when I was there. The only exception is C'Thun's two handed Axe. Everything else was originally looted in the timeline of that content.

For my time, when I'm not raiding. I PvP. I hate questing, farming or grinding for an old legendary. I'm sorry dude but honestly your bragging too much and I could careless about anything that you're saying right now. I love my guild. I do have my right to say we ARE a good guild, right? Because we fucking are. You don't know us and you never been inside the guild. We did what we can do and we got this far. We are old and have a strong reputation on our server and damn proud to say this again, again and again.  Whether you give a shit about it or you laugh about it is really your choice. In the end, we don't give a shit about what you and other people think. I'm paying my 15 dollars and enjoying the game the way I want to enjoy it, just like how your enjoying it the way you want to enjoy it.

Keep your negative opinions to yourself.