Author Topic: Warcraft Cataclysm (Read 20015 times)

Mirgond · « **Reply #140 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:59:37 AM »

Tell your healers that they should heal themselfs sometimes too

Havoc10K · « **Reply #141 on:** February 28, 2011, 10:04:35 AM »

doesn't help when they get one shotted by bosses

if healer dies it's only tanks fault for not holding aggro, I done most of the raids in pugs, but we never done a single boss in a guild group, they think they know tacs and it should work, but there is no co-op in the guild, our HC runs are a disaster, I can even heal in a pug hc, never healing in guild runs, waste of mana.

Fool010 · « **Reply #142 on:** February 28, 2011, 10:54:33 AM »

Quote from: Havoc10K on February 28, 2011, 10:04:35 AM

doesn't help when they get one shotted by bosses
if healer dies it's only tanks fault for not holding aggro,

When this happens, both are generally at fault. Though, the most common cause for failure are DDs not controlling their outpout, stealing aggro from the tank and forcing their healers to heal a lot more they should, therefore drawing aggro on themselves.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #143 on:** February 28, 2011, 11:33:45 AM »

no, it usually starts soon after aggro, before we even start DPS and healing, soon after we start the damage isn't as much threat as tank should constantly keep it up, problem is, we have a druid tank and Warior Tank, the first should be able to hold aggro, but wariors without correct rotation don't have much potential for tanking atm, blizzard should do something about it, and they plan, but nothing so far, generally, right about the moment we are starting to make damage progres the tanks usually start losing agro cuz they don't really give much thought to it, our raid leaders look at your DPS more closely than they should, losing focus on the matters at hand, they always blame DPS for wipes, even since it's evidence that they lose aggro, pushing wips and healer loss at DPS is always stupid for me, if you can't keep aggro on yourself don't be a tank, I noticed that the warior tank doesn't have the glove enchant that increases aggro by 2% but pointing him that out is like making him cry again.

Fool010 · « **Reply #144 on:** February 28, 2011, 11:40:04 AM »

You sound like someone who's never been a tank, do you ?

You should give it a try before pushing all the blame on the supposed inability of your tank to hold aggro. It's not as easy as you believe it to be.

Not to say some people tank while not having what it takes to, but claiming 'the tank is always at fault' is plain bullshit. What takes parties down is the inability to adapt to sudden changes in the flow of combat.

Now, I'm not gonna argue further about WoW, I didn't like the game and left it as soon as I found some viable substitute.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #145 on:** February 28, 2011, 11:51:47 AM »

my DK is a very good tank, no one ever died on my tanking, in any raid or HC, I simply don't look at DPS, i focus dead on on holding aggro, as all tanks should.

claiming DPS is at fault is bullshit, I can blame a healer if the tank dies, but the only one at fault when healers and dps die is Tanks problem.

You shouldn't assume I don't have a tank, healer or DPS classes

I have 10 chars, and 3 at 85 fully geared for their main roles.

Paladin Healer
DK Tank
Shaman DPS/Healer.

the rest are just for fun.

NaRu · « **Reply #146 on:** March 02, 2011, 07:02:04 PM »

One major problem with people tanking they care too much about DPS. Half the skills for a warrior tank is for damage and the other for keeping aggro. If you are tanking then you should only do skills for keeping aggro and stop caring about dealing damage. The tanks role isnt there for dealing damage.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #147 on:** March 02, 2011, 07:39:01 PM »

exactly, but some are "Elite" so they know better than you know

and they love blaming other people for their mistakes.

Mirgond · « **Reply #148 on:** March 02, 2011, 09:19:56 PM »

So, we tried Maloriak and Chimaeron HM by now. Chimaeron looks promising, i think we'll down him on sunday. Maloriak looks fun, we have no problems with the adds in the new black phase, though he still didn't want to die till now. Shouldn't take long too until we kill him ^^

We also took a look at Magmaw, but there is definitely a dps problem there. Damn add always exploded.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #149 on:** March 03, 2011, 08:07:28 AM »

god damn, i'm not gonna raid with these guys until they learn the basics, 10 wipes on Halfus, I was facepalming all the time, it's obvious they can't handle 2 drakes up at the same time, on the eleventh try I told them to just do one drake up and start from whelps cuz they are most annoying, surprise, we did halfus then, fucking idiots, at least they can't complain on my ~20k dps.

seriously, started looking for a new guild.

Fool010 · « **Reply #150 on:** March 03, 2011, 03:11:01 PM »

Quote from: Havoc10K on March 03, 2011, 08:07:28 AM

god damn, i'm not gonna raid with these guys until they learn the basics, 10 wipes on Halfus, I was facepalming all the time, it's obvious they can't handle 2 drakes up at the same time, on the eleventh try I told them to just do one drake up and start from whelps cuz they are most annoying, surprise, we did halfus then, fucking idiots, at least they can't complain on my ~20k dps.

seriously, started looking for a new guild.

The one thing I've learned from online gaming is that a good friendlist is more than often more useful than a guild. You chose the people you accept on your list whereas you don't chose your guildmates, unless you're the boss.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #151 on:** March 03, 2011, 03:21:36 PM »

Yeah, but my list is not as big as you think

can't raid with just that

zat0x91 · « **Reply #152 on:** March 03, 2011, 08:39:04 PM »

Quote from: Havoc10K on March 03, 2011, 08:07:28 AM

god damn, i'm not gonna raid with these guys until they learn the basics, 10 wipes on Halfus, I was facepalming all the time, it's obvious they can't handle 2 drakes up at the same time, on the eleventh try I told them to just do one drake up and start from whelps cuz they are most annoying, surprise, we did halfus then, fucking idiots, at least they can't complain on my ~20k dps.

seriously, started looking for a new guild.

You're raiding with idiots; should of left that guild a long time ago. Just apply to a better guild if you have the gear and/or experience I guess.

I don't normally tend to raid with friends because of differences of gear, skill, or whatever other reason. Although I did manage to raid with five people from school, who actually knew how to play the game, not keyboard turn and all that shit, plus ended up being best friends with then.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #153 on:** March 03, 2011, 09:16:29 PM »

there are two really good persons in this guild, i'm in it still just because of them, also, there was a time where we had a few really prosperous guild, but WotLK ruined it all, the easiness of it made a lot of great players simply drop the game leaving you with "Elitists" and now finding a real guild that actually does what it takes, and not NOOB you cuz you miscalculated something.

Once I find such a guild i'm out of here, I was pugging with many guilds and few months ago I was scouted out by one, but can't get in touch with them atm, their leader who needs to make the decission is in hospital atm

zat0x91 · « **Reply #154 on:** March 03, 2011, 09:58:21 PM »

Me wanting to clear content and not putting up with retards makes me 'elitist'? I'm fine with that as long my time isn't wasted on wiping easy stuff.

mgz · « **Reply #155 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:18:37 PM »

Quote from: Fool010 on February 28, 2011, 11:40:04 AM

You sound like someone who's never been a tank, do you ?

You should give it a try before pushing all the blame on the supposed inability of your tank to hold aggro. It's not as easy as you believe it to be.

Not to say some people tank while not having what it takes to, but claiming 'the tank is always at fault' is plain bullshit. What takes parties down is the inability to adapt to sudden changes in the flow of combat.

Now, I'm not gonna argue further about WoW, I didn't like the game and left it as soon as I found some viable substitute.

yea right, unless they massively changed shit in cataclysm ive been able to MT without paying much attention since prebc in mc/aq40/nax40

Havoc10K · « **Reply #156 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:25:01 PM »

they made some changes but nothing that would make Tank pay super attention in standard fights, only bosses with ads are more annoying, but nothing really bigger, but the wipes I was talking about were in Baradin Hold, where DPS was good, Tank was bad, and blamed us DPSers, I actually did that boss myself as tank with a few other people in the guild to show them where the raid leaders are a fucking rip off of some superhero movie.

that boss is only hard cuz he has a shitload of HP and needs decent DPS, but for some reason the ywere losing healers, we did it in one go when everyone followed my instructions, it's really nothing hard when you come prepared.

mgz · « **Reply #157 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:32:56 PM »

Quote from: Havoc10K on March 03, 2011, 10:25:01 PM

they made some changes but nothing that would make Tank pay super attention in standard fights, only bosses with ads are more annoying, but nothing really bigger, but the wipes I was talking about were in Baradin Hold, where DPS was good, Tank was bad, and blamed us DPSers, I actually did that boss myself as tank with a few other people in the guild to show them where the raid leaders are a fucking rip off of some superhero movie.

that boss is only hard cuz he has a shitload of HP and needs decent DPS, but for some reason the ywere losing healers, we did it in one go when everyone followed my instructions, it's really nothing hard when you come prepared.

yea thats pretty much what i assumed seeing as they keep dumbing down mechanics and just adding numbers so shit hits harder and faster with a simple twist as oppose to making fights genuinely difficult like twin emps or huhuran

Havoc10K · « **Reply #158 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:41:10 PM »

yeah, but at least now the heroic modes and raids are close to being as hard as TBC were, still not there, and they should be much harder, but it's close at least, WotLK was so easy I actualy soloed some of the heroics before TBC, no feat of strength sadly

Fool010 · « **Reply #159 on:** March 04, 2011, 12:21:40 AM »

Brings me back to my main gripe with MMOs.

Lack of technicality, you don't have to be skilled. Drop in the the right gear and replicate mechanically the working tactics and there you go.

Sure, some can't even master something that basic