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Fool010:
--- Quote from: Havoc10K on March 05, 2011, 03:23:41 PM ---in PVE you need, proper gear lvl, skill, coordination, and that is all, luck doesn't exist there cuz if you have good group you don't need any, it just comes, but skill is needed, and it's not simply mashing buttons, it's correct rotations, talent specc, gear adjustment, everything has it's impact on your progress.
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Nice fantasy world you're living in.
Oh wait, I get it ... it has to be skill, if not you couldn't brag about how great you're doing, right ?
Tatsujin:
--- Quote from: Fool010 on March 05, 2011, 08:22:55 AM ---There's a whole difference between being skilled and being a highly trained mimicking robot.
Funny how people get anal once you remind them that anything they achieve in a game is nothing of great merit. Even funnier is how serious some are about something that useless, SHFG syndrome ?
Sorry, doesn't impress me
@Tatsujin : what you're describing isn't lack of skill but ineptitude. You can very well perform without any major skill, you just have to replicate what works ... not even because you found out yourself, but because you've been told or looked up the corresponding wiki. What I do regret in MMOs is the fact there aren't that much different ways of playing a class/profession or whatever you call it. You can't play the game the way you want, you have to stick to the true and tried tactics. Not because they work better than others, but because at some point they're the only ones to work.
That's a gameplay limitation I never really grew accustomed to, because it's basically rewarding lack of individuality for the sake of achieving 'performance'. When your playing gets mechanical to the point you could program a bot to do it for you, you can start asking yourself if it really takes skill. As for myself, I consider it to cheapen the achievement.
@freidax : well, we can safely assume that planning (or lack of it) makes up a good part of success or failure. Making sure everyone knows the plan and their role is also part of planning, but is often forgotten.
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Ah okay. In your own words then, right? In our World of ... Warcraft, we call that skill and field awareness.
--- Quote from: Fool010 on March 05, 2011, 03:43:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Havoc10K on March 05, 2011, 03:23:41 PM ---in PVE you need, proper gear lvl, skill, coordination, and that is all, luck doesn't exist there cuz if you have good group you don't need any, it just comes, but skill is needed, and it's not simply mashing buttons, it's correct rotations, talent specc, gear adjustment, everything has it's impact on your progress.
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Nice fantasy world you're living in.
Oh wait, I get it ... it has to be skill, if not you couldn't brag about how great you're doing, right ?
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Havoc nailed it down.
Fool010. You play WoW? Are you in an end game guild? I'm really curious at the moment.
And we love fantasy worlds. There is nothing wrong with that. :)
Havoc10K:
lets say you have decent dps gear but you spent all efforts possible on haste rating, if your rotation is incorrectly adjusted for the haste rating you dps will be a burden than help in any raid, earning you a kick in the pixels, me and my friends actually spend a few hours adjusting the little pixelated stats to make the best out of what we have, so that we contribute to the raid progress instead of being a fifth wheel :P
I'd like to see how you go DPS with 800 haste rating without crits and mastery heheh, or even hit :P
Fool010:
I see your point, but your use of 'skill' is way too liberal. What you're both describing is nothing more than practise.
Havoc10K:
of curse, practice makes perfect, that is skill, what else did you think of ?
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