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Warcraft Cataclysm
mgz:
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--- Quote from: iindigo on May 02, 2010, 12:37:24 AM ---Actually, not everything is becoming easier in Cataclysm. 5-man content, at least, seems to be reverting to something closer to how it was back in TBC - that is, 5-man instances will have more bosses (Uldum, for example, will have 7) and they'll require crowd control again. No more of this mindless AOEing everything down stuff.
Also, didn't they say that the loot dropped in 25-mans, while being the "same items" will be scaled up (and thus still better rewards)? I could have sworn I read that in the post.
And by the way, you won't need to purchase Cataclysm to gain a large amount of its content... you will have to for worgen and goblins of course, but they have confirmed that the zone changes that are happening are happening for everyone, regardless if you have the expansion or not.
Besides that, the graphics are getting quite a boost... I mean look at this!
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No, they're going to be the same items. In 25 man you just get more items. 5 man content was.. hard in BC? The only time it was hard was pre heroic nerfs. Shattered Halls or Underbog anyone?
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or look at fights like magtheriyawn where they nerfed him so bad that everyone could kill him.
He was a pain in the balls for guilds that didnt have coordination.
Crimson13:
I still play, I'm guild leader of a nice friendly casual guild, we're just getting into Raiding ICC (at Festergut et al) mostly because we have about 10-15 regularly active players, most of which are RL friends. I enjoy the game immensely still, but then, i don't spend 40+ hours a week playing it and never have (except the first week or 2 after a new expansion). I'm looking forward to Cataclysm.
kyanwan:
What's this? Fanboyism trying to debunk me?
--- Quote from: zat0x91 on May 02, 2010, 07:48:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: kyanwan on May 02, 2010, 07:48:23 PM ---Try druid healing.
1-2-3-4 - then make sure nothing wears off.
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Try doing that on any hard mode in ICC. GL
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I never bothered beating ICC, so I got no idea. If it's anything like ToC - then, bam - bigger hits. I'd be on raid heals picking up the stragglers & helping the main heal. I had a weak-ass 5k hps.
--- Quote from: zat0x91 on May 02, 2010, 07:48:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: kyanwan on May 02, 2010, 07:48:23 PM ---Then you need healbot or some other crap for your whole party, everything's about timing or this or that bullshit - and that's it.
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It makes it easier to heal try reading the description sometime.
"HealBot allows for 60 key mouse combinations to cast any beneficial spells."
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Hm, I didn't know that. I only used healbot on my druid since, forever, and it did help a lot - it helped so much - that I couldn't heal a raid without it. Try being more ... intuitive. You don't think I know what healbot was? I mean, I hooked up my shazbot to wow and wallhack - zomgzor - I got nutshots & headshots all over the place. I headshotted the lich king - and botted thru the whole ICC fo all my gearz. I got leetz. Den I hooked up my leet hax0rzbot and solo'd 25m icc hardcore man.
Dude, please.
--- Quote from: zat0x91 on May 02, 2010, 07:48:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: kyanwan on May 02, 2010, 07:48:23 PM ---Personally, I like oldschool RPG with some complexity - I hate how they cap the enhancements.
( Surprisingly - I'm loving DDO with all its complexity. I tried to sign up for this - ages ago, nearly a year ago - but they weren't taking new customers. :( The last RPG that I really loved - a lot - was Neverwinter - but there was just so far you could take it. WoW is a really dumbed down title - and they're dumbing it down even more - to make it the Call of Duty of RPGs. )
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Go play a feral druid and do some good DPS, then you'll think twice about the game not being complex.
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One class is complex? One class that nobody will invite you to a group with?
So - go play a boring game for another 6 months to get a 9/10 set to be a good feral. No thanks. I gave up feral for boomkin when I hit 70-ish. Ranged > Melee for getting parties on my server. We had a DK & Pally infestation.
BTW - with regenerating your spellpower the way it is in said other game, you really, REALLY need to plan your spells & attacks. Think of where you're going, prep your spells based on your destination ( You can have a fraction of your book - if you don't prep, you can't cast it. ) If you're sloppy and buttonmashing (eg: play like it's wow) - you'll never get anywhere, never beat anything, die all over the place. Even healing - ditto. Overhealing - does not exist. More thought is required, more in-depth. Far more complex. Far less mainstream. Better, imo.
Oh yeah. Another thing that really got my goat - is this.
1 spell. 50 levels. You keep the same 5-6 spells throughout the entire game. Only 2-4 spells / abilities are of any use - you're basically like a hero in WC3. That - was a pisser.
--- Quote from: zat0x91 on May 02, 2010, 07:48:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: kyanwan on May 02, 2010, 07:48:23 PM ---Have you seen what happened with ICC? They added a buff called "Strength of Wrynn." The last time I played - it was at 5 or 10%.
Now - they buffed it to 30% - so every noob and their grandma can play. Now, any loser can have a cakewalk through the whole thing. If you were doing 10k damage before - you're doing 13k now. Your defenses are upped 30% - then your stronger self upped by all your buffs. Insanely easy.
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Wrong, it's at 15% as of now and 10% a week ago. Every month will increase by 5% from what they have done already.
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But still - they're doing that. You haven't really disproved anything. The last time I played ICC - it was just getting easier and easier to the point of pathetic. If you know the dance moves, you win the fight - that was about it. That was it for about everything.
http://www.ladderdueling.com/images/Strats_Wotlk/deathbringer17081.png - Proves my point exactly. That's how all of the fights are - predictable, on timers, just dog food - every last one. If you don't dance the dance, you die. Unless you're the first person to down the thing - it's boring. Every single fight - smack like that.
I liked WoW - I played for a good while - Blizz keeps catering to people who they shouldn't cater to - then things that need fixing, they don't fix. Things that don't need fixing - they "fix".
Then someone else finds something to whine about ( qq ) - and it gets worse. Then they've got the imbalanced servers - leaving one faction completely bare as hell, with people deserting left and right now with fact change, man don't get me started on that.
It's just going downhill. It's gotten to big for its own good.
[ PS: Aion rims dirty infected assholes. ]
Stereojar:
WoW became a huge piece of crap.
I started it before BWL patch was released...... Was a hardcore player and enjoyed the game WAY TOO MUCH. Until TBC came out. I was take aback from the scenery, the new areas and the heroic dungeon system but the boss tactics were kinda "meh".
Then WotLK came out. Was absolutely mesmerized by the new areas and the dungeon graphics, and 2 weeks later i was bored like hell. Game was extremely easy mode :S
About 4 weeks after WotLK release, we were clearing all content in 4.5 hours .... (both 25man and 10man)(had a very good guild). The game was pretty much over for me by then. Boss fights were piss easy most of them being tank and spank. Acquiring good gear was easy as well with that piss-easy heroic farming, PvP was retarded it didn't matter on skills AT ALL anymore...Quit the crap a while before Ulduar patch came out. Haven't played since, but i still miss the good old vanilla days
The only reason i would consider checking out cataclysm would be to fly in Azeroth and get to see the changed scenery. As someone mentioned Blizzard is not the same as it was 10 years ago... Let's see what happens with Diablo III (IF and WHEN it gets released)
Just for the record my chars were :
Vanilla : Undead Warlock, Troll Hunter, Tauren Druid
TBC : Undead Warlock, Tauren Druid (played all specs), Blood Elf Hunter, Blood Elf Rogue, Orc Warrior (Tank) and Orc Shaman
WotLK : Undead Warlock, Orc Shaman
ps : HORDE FTW
southerndoom:
It looks interesting.I loved Vanilla,raided some had a good time.TBC was fun at first
then i quit for a few months and came back around when sunwell was released.That
expansion killed my will to raid.I had loved MC/BWL but TBC was killin me.SSC and later
on Sunwell made me wanna blow my pc up and i only normally raided 2 days a week
so i cant imagine how the hardcore guys felt.I quit right after i hit 80 in Wotlk.
Between my guild having troubles and just my enjoyment plummeting i stopped.
I went back in November of last year to check out what all had changed.It was fun.
Played a couple months and stopped again.Picked it back up a couple weeks ago.
I think they have some great changes to the game but there is still many flaws.
I'll never play for any great length of time again and ill never raid with any seriousness.
It is fun to log in,relax and kill stuff for a bit.Cata looks like it has tons of potential for someone
like me.I love questing,5mans and leveling.Im over raiding but still do it on occasion so puging
is fine by me for that.
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