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Offline NaRu

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PC DIED!
« on: May 05, 2010, 03:49:44 AM »
Yes my system did died not that long ago. The problem started when I notice my system running very slowly. Things took a long time to load and the things that were loaded started to crashed. So I restarted my pc but windows loaded fine. I did a virus scan not that found nothing. Then I notice that my skype become corrupted. I tried to uninstall it but it failed to do so. So then I tried to clean out the drive like my temp folder and other pointless data collecting folders. Couldnt delete anything. So what the hell is going on. So I had it with fixing so I decided to format and install windows again. So when I went to format it failed to do so. Nothing is working at all. Then I figure out what really happen. My system drive was failing. This is not a normal drive like a western digital. No no it was my Solid State Drive (SDD). For some reason I couldn't right to this drive anymore. Cant delete or change anything on it. This drive isnt cheap either ($390). It was a 120gig OCZ drive. So I called OCZ and gave them my information on what happen. They said that it was my fault the drive failed because of virus that go onto it. First thing I said was that its not because of a virus because no viruse can do that also that can be fix if I format the drive. It a hardware problem. So they connected to me to a different department. They wanted me to troubleshoot it. That fine maybe there is something I can do here that will work. They even said that the drive is dead (they call this trouble froze state). Since they had a name for it I guess this happens alot or enough tfor them to come up with a name. After all of this phone calls I went through they decided to send me a new one. Well its going to take like 3 weeks or so. Thank god that I had a spare 120 gig seagate drive I can use until then. Its very slow compare to my SSD. I miss it.

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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2010, 04:00:02 AM »
If possible, you could try posting here?

http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=29

There are quite a few people that would be interested in that.

I finally saved up on buying an SSD and planning on getting one this month until i read your post.

How old is the drive? Maybe you used it as a torrent drive and that could have possibly killed it?

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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2010, 04:06:06 AM »
SSD drive technology is expected to have childhood problems. What did you expect?
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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2010, 04:16:19 AM »
Out of curiosity, was it an OCZ Core V2 SSD?

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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2010, 04:17:57 AM »
SSD drive technology is expected to have childhood problems. What did you expect?

SSDs these days are being advertised to outlast your PC. Not being able to write is an indicator that a thumb drive has reached the end of it's life, the fact that he wore out his drive so fast is worrying.

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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2010, 05:23:35 AM »
If my guess based on price and reported problem is right, that is probably an OCZ Core V2 120GB SSD. That particular SSD runs on a JMicron JMF602B controller and does not have TRIM support. More worryingly, it does not support the ATA_SECURE_ERASE command (confirmed by users).

That command is an SSD user's last resort for restoring brand-new performance to an SSD. Essentially, it marks all cells as empty, thus indicating to the firmware that all cells can be written into. (Yes, all data will be erased. Surprised?) Note that this is not the same as a normal secure-erase performed by disk-wiping programs. An SSD that doesn't support TRIM or ATA_SECURE_ERASE is doomed to the scrap heap.

This is info I dug up while researching a 30GB OCZ Core V2 that I bought some time ago; most likely I will relegate it to an external enclosure when I'm done with it. The Core V2 hails from a time when the TRIM command had not been implemented in SSD firmware yet, so I'm not surprised that such issues should crop up. This issue has not been reported on the newer SSDs that support TRIM, i.e. SSDs running on the Indilinx Barefoot or Intel controllers. That's not to say they don't have their own issues, but thus far TRIM is sufficient to maintain good SSD performance for most desktop scenarios. Before you look into buying an SSD I strongly suggest reading up on them first; you can easily reduce their write life span drastically without much benefit by faithfully using them like a normal hard disk (e.g. defragmenting them).

It is also highly important that you read up on the differences between the major SSD controllers (which is the main, but not the only, determinant of performance and reliability). Unlike with hard disks, where performance is much more uniform across different brands and models, SSDs are still a relatively new technology (despite having been around for more than a decade), and can be drastically different especially performance-wise.

Major controller makers in no particular order:
* Indilinx (of which their Barefoot series is quite well-known)
* Intel (in G1 and G2 flavours; go with G2 since G1 has no TRIM support)
* JMicron (which has at least 2 versions, a sucky old one and a better new one)
* Marvell
* Samsung
* Sandforce (fresh newcomer, overturning the incumbent Intel X25 as the poster child of performance - it's pushing SATAII interface limits in both read and write. Not recommended unless you're an early adopter and won't whine on forums about SSDs breaking).

They each have their own quirks, and are optimised rather differently, so trying to pick the best one for your needs isn't something you can google in an hour. If you don't have time to be reading up and just want a "safe" SSD*, go with Indilinx Barefoot or Intel. (*I say "safe" only because those 2 controllers have been around the longest among the most commonly available SSDs, and up to now the issues reported with them are relatively minor; who knows what 5-year reliability reports for those drives will say?)

If you don't want to spend precious time reading and don't want to fork out for an SSD known to be more reliable, do yourself and other people a favour and don't jump for an SSD just yet. Yes, you'll be doing other people a favour, because at least you won't be spreading misinformation about SSDs based on older experimental hardware that, in more well-read hardware circles, are already known to be lemons. At this point in time SSDs simply aren't idiot-proof enough that someone who knows zilch about them can go out, buy one and expect to be worry-free for a year or two. You can, if it's an SSD like the Intel X25V/X25M or OCZ Agility/Vertex (TRIM support, firmware well-optimised for IOPS as well as random read/write and relatively stable and reliable), but at the same time there're simply too many lemons out on the market that I can't advocate buying one with no prior knowledge.
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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2010, 05:53:31 AM »
I was looking into purchasing either the 80 GB or 40GB X25... for fun. Hopefully to quiet down my laptop, make it faster for on and off, and then lower sound as well as heat.

But yeah, I also looked at the OCZ and somehow... didn't feel like it. Didn't seem right somehow.
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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2010, 01:25:32 PM »
SSD drive technology is expected to have childhood problems. What did you expect?

SSDs these days are being advertised to outlast your PC. Not being able to write is an indicator that a thumb drive has reached the end of it's life, the fact that he wore out his drive so fast is worrying.

You said it!  ;)

I will believe it when the time comes that SSD actually outlive an average pc life... not just some half assed simulation of it.
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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2010, 04:02:37 PM »
SDDs sound pretty inhteresting. . .too expensive for me to buy tho. . . and since they are relatively new to the market its bound to have issues.

But sorry to hear that man.

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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2010, 05:30:38 PM »
SSD drive technology is expected to have childhood problems. What did you expect?

This is why I no longer buy bleeding edge tech (like SSD).   It's good, it's awesome and all -

But this kind of thing is inevitable.

You got expensive ass stuff that's half-ass.   Then in a year or two a perfected version of it emerges.   The way I look at it -

I've been living pretty good with what I have.   No need to be #1 -

I'd rather have 2 of #2.  :P

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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2010, 12:06:44 AM »
I was looking into purchasing either the 80 GB or 40GB X25... for fun. Hopefully to quiet down my laptop, make it faster for on and off, and then lower sound as well as heat.

But yeah, I also looked at the OCZ and somehow... didn't feel like it. Didn't seem right somehow.

If you're looking for longer battery life, faster in booting up and shutting down and overall performance with less sound and less heat, then you can't, just can't, go wrong with one of those Intel SSDs. I have one in my desktop. Using my laptop is a painful experience.

In fact, your biggest worry should be mass storage.

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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2010, 01:54:11 AM »
I flashed my drive and installed new firmware that claims to fix those weird errors I been getting

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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2010, 05:37:12 AM »
I was looking into purchasing either the 80 GB or 40GB X25... for fun. Hopefully to quiet down my laptop, make it faster for on and off, and then lower sound as well as heat.

But yeah, I also looked at the OCZ and somehow... didn't feel like it. Didn't seem right somehow.

If you're looking for longer battery life, faster in booting up and shutting down and overall performance with less sound and less heat, then you can't, just can't, go wrong with one of those Intel SSDs. I have one in my desktop. Using my laptop is a painful experience.

In fact, your biggest worry should be mass storage.

Yeah, I did a lot of research before considering the intel ones. Going for either a 40/80GB one for later semesters. And yes, storage will be the biggest issue. Not to mention finding something to use for dedicated torrenting.

On another note... Windows 7 upgrade versions are fucking shitty. Had to order a copy of OEM because upgrade does not allow clean installs. (it's actually a fucking error code!)
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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2010, 02:25:06 AM »
SSD drive technology is expected to have childhood problems. What did you expect?

This is why I no longer buy bleeding edge tech (like SSD).   It's good, it's awesome and all -

But this kind of thing is inevitable.

You got expensive ass stuff that's half-ass.   Then in a year or two a cheaper, perfected version of it emerges. 

Fixed. Not only is it improved, it's (usually) cheaper (though you may have been implying that).

Kind makes it seem like everyone who buys something early just gets shafted. Doesn't seem smart to me. Then again, smarts don't factor linearly into the real world... maybe more like rand() function...

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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2010, 11:05:39 AM »
SSDs these days are being advertised to outlast your PC.

Avg PC last for 1-2years - In term that you want to be able to play Latest games on Ultra High Details


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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2010, 08:39:19 PM »
SSD drive technology is expected to have childhood problems. What did you expect?

This is why I no longer buy bleeding edge tech (like SSD).   It's good, it's awesome and all -

But this kind of thing is inevitable.

You got expensive ass stuff that's half-ass.   Then in a year or two a cheaper, perfected version of it emerges. 

Fixed. Not only is it improved, it's (usually) cheaper (though you may have been implying that).

Kind makes it seem like everyone who buys something early just gets shafted. Doesn't seem smart to me. Then again, smarts don't factor linearly into the real world... maybe more like rand() function...
first production of items typically is almost guaranteed to be worse then later production of identical items.
Since there is recalls on items, and tweaks to fix small issues that werent worthy of a recall.
Fixed firmware on things etc.

Essentially in MOST cases the earlier in the release process you get an item the less refined it is.

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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2010, 08:41:21 PM »
Its going to take 3 weeks to get another SSD from OCZ. Using a spare 500 gig drive atm

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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2010, 05:03:58 PM »
he's referring to MY data drive out of my main PC

he's lucky I've known him for so long LOL

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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2010, 06:41:16 PM »
You will get it back.. Tomorrow going to call OCZ and tell them what needs to be done

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Re: PC DIED!
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2010, 07:10:42 PM »
SSD drive technology is expected to have childhood problems. What did you expect?

This is why I no longer buy bleeding edge tech (like SSD).   It's good, it's awesome and all -

But this kind of thing is inevitable.

You got expensive ass stuff that's half-ass.   Then in a year or two a cheaper, perfected version of it emerges. 

Fixed. Not only is it improved, it's (usually) cheaper (though you may have been implying that).

Kind makes it seem like everyone who buys something early just gets shafted. Doesn't seem smart to me. Then again, smarts don't factor linearly into the real world... maybe more like rand() function...

There was a time that I bought stuff immediately. 

Then I bought a new Athlon - and a couple months after I picked it up for about $300-400 - it literally fell in price by 50%.   I was out half my money - then the CPU died within a year.

I wasn't too pleased. 
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