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Offline sapsa

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BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« on: May 22, 2010, 08:32:28 PM »
Dear BakaBT,

I'm allways reading post at "technology" realy often,
alot of people i respect here use RAID matrix
Im just dont know do you guys prefer hardware or software solution for RAIDs
Are you using dedicated linux/windows/other os servers with hw/sw RAID?

Thanks for your Time :)
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Offline Mcgreag

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Re: BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2010, 09:07:11 PM »
It's not so much to what one prefer as to what one affords. Real hardware raid cards are expensive, if you want real hardware RAID 5 you are looking at 300-400$ for a cheap card, 600$+ for a good one.

I use software raid 5 (4x750gb = 2tb total). Due to it being software raid the speed is not much better than a single drive but I use it mainly for safety, so I won't lose everything if a drive dies. Once had a drive die in a 2 disk raid 0 array, not going to make the same misstake twice.
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Re: BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2010, 09:16:32 PM »
I have an actual hardware RAID card (not fake RAID), but it is cheap (both in price and quality). I dare say that most people here who claim to have hardware RAID actually are just using their motherboard's RAID (which is a software RAID). I don't use any kind of RAID right now. My HDD is fast enough.

[edit] As for speed, with a dedicated RAID card, with its one XOR processor,  with 4 drives in a RAID 5 performed a little better than 3 times faster than a single drive.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2010, 09:48:07 PM by nstgc »

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Re: BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2010, 09:47:48 PM »
Since I stopped tinkering with RAID none of my hard disks have failed me.

Karma perhaps? I don't use RAID anymore.
I currently have 8 disks, of which one SSD.

If you're gonna go RAID might as well do it in hardware. Apparently software RAID is getting better but it just feels half-assed.

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Re: BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2010, 09:50:12 PM »
Thats why I stopped using that RAID card. I had two simultaneously drop out and the two that remained were fucked up (the information that is, not the actual drive). That was the last time I've had significant hard drive problems.

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Re: BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2010, 09:58:20 PM »
What a RAID is not - a backup method.

It is meant to be used to meet a requirement that a system needs to able to do.
This could be so that a server can keep running and recover due to a disk(s) failures.
If you have a system that needs a very fast response and/or a volume of request as in a database server.
A large file system that can not be stored across separate disks.

I am not saying that you should or should not do it, but more of a do not do it because everyone else is doing this.  When a RAID is running well, it is one of the great things to watch; but when it breaks, you are in a world of hurt.  They are easy to setup and difficult to configure properly, they have a wicked split personality.  You can go for years and feel life is good until it happens - I ended up throwing a disk drive so hard against a wall that it exploded.  Two days later, data is restored onto a newly setup RAID.

Some tips on a good RAID:
- get disks of the same series/type but try and avoid the same batch, you do not want them to fail at the same time.
- buy enough disks to handle any future repairs.
- marginal power supplies are not to be used - do not try run a power supply close to its limit.  You can get some weird error when the power is unstable.
- isolate the disks as much as possible from vibrations and load noise, it degrades their performance.
- label everything and document everything.  You do not want to pull the wrong drive from a RAID that is in a degraded mode and you do not want to have to relearn how to set up a RAID a year later when you have a problem.
- it needs a UPS. one power glitch can result in having it to recover.  That can take better than a day if you have a 700+GB disks.

It is sort of like bungee jumping, a lot of fun until the one day you hit the ground - You never look at it the same after that.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2010, 11:11:19 PM by bork »

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Re: BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2010, 11:59:59 PM »
Well, the Dell desktop that the company of mine bought claims hardware raid... though I'm not sure if it's hardware or software.

I did however, have it changed from 1TB Raid 0 to 500GB Raid 1 in a Bios type screen. So... not sure if it's hardware or software.
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Re: BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2010, 01:55:50 AM »
A quick way to find out is to see if you can read the drives from Linux without dmraid.

get a live CD of Ubuntu type into a terminal "sudo apt-get remove dmraid" log out, log back in, then try to access your drive. I believe that should clear up any questions.

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Re: BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2010, 06:30:18 AM »
Well, the Dell desktop that the company of mine bought claims hardware raid... though I'm not sure if it's hardware or software.

I did however, have it changed from 1TB Raid 0 to 500GB Raid 1 in a Bios type screen. So... not sure if it's hardware or software.
If it's only raid 0 or raid 1 it doesn't really matter that much if it's software or hardware. It's when you get to raid 5 and have to start calculating parity data. Dell do have an enterprise model with optional hardware raid, the built in on the motherboard (controlled from bios is a software solution (it offloads operations on the cpu). The optional raid card on the DELL costs an extra 375$.
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Re: BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2010, 06:52:17 AM »
Like allways, Community didn't disappoint me.

I was thinking about RAID 5 - I readed alot about it, I wanted to start using it because my SATA BUS is not capable to use full speed of my HDDs - and I wont change mobo just to make my hdds faster :) And In the end RAID 5 give a bit more "protection" when 1 hdd fail.

But still - Im waiting for more people to replay :) but alot of you that was hoping that will replay, replayed - Thanks for that :)
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Re: BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2010, 07:06:12 AM »
Well, the Dell desktop that the company of mine bought claims hardware raid... though I'm not sure if it's hardware or software.

I did however, have it changed from 1TB Raid 0 to 500GB Raid 1 in a Bios type screen. So... not sure if it's hardware or software.
If it's only raid 0 or raid 1 it doesn't really matter that much if it's software or hardware. It's when you get to raid 5 and have to start calculating parity data. Dell do have an enterprise model with optional hardware raid, the built in on the motherboard (controlled from bios is a software solution (it offloads operations on the cpu). The optional raid card on the DELL costs an extra 375$.

True... but it wasn't like I really cared that much about it. Not to mention they're not going to use that computer hardcore (it's a "server" <_< but meh.)
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Re: BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2010, 05:37:57 PM »
Hardware raid FTW...


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Re: BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2010, 07:10:47 PM »
question, should I go RAID 10 or 5?
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Re: BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2010, 09:13:52 PM »
I'm currently have a hardware RAID 6 array. Probably overkill. If you do go with RAID, I would do hardware.
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Re: BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2010, 12:52:56 AM »
question, should I go RAID 10 or 5?

It depends on how the level 1 raid is handeled. In some instances it will provide a more than decent read speed boost since it can read from 2 drives, however, if it can't, go with RAID 5. Also know that you will have to have more drives with a 10.

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Re: BakaBT community using RAID (software/hardware)
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2010, 03:04:36 PM »
yeah, I think I'll go RAID 5
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