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Offline Rhino

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #80 on: May 27, 2010, 01:16:38 AM »
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Like, why is a TV upscale higher ranked than the DVD release?
For the last time, it is no longer a ranking system. If you still have the idea that Group A automatically trumps Group B which automatically trumps Group C, get it out of your head now.

That is all. Is 16pt large enough to read?

gotta make it noticeable! otherwise these old folk can't really read it.
i wouldnt blame people for gettiing confused because [A - FullHD - 1080p], [B - HD - 720p] and [C - SD - <576p]. Each video group has 2 slots: {single-audio} and {dual-audio}. does kinda sound like a ranking system ?

@ duki and nstgc-  ok i see now thanks
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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #81 on: May 27, 2010, 02:32:30 AM »
DId you Read the Wiki? I did, the whole thing. The new plan allows for there to be only one torrent in a particular category. That means only one translation. Who gets screwed? I don't know. Perhaps its the people who don't like localizations, perhaps its the people who do like localization. In one way or another the subtitles (distinguishing from translation which is the conversation from one language to another) will be of higher quality, however that doesn't mean its more enjoyable.
Incorrect.
Video groupings have been changed to [A - FullHD - 1080p], [B - HD - 720p] and [C - SD - <576p]. Each video group has 2 slots: {single-audio} and {dual-audio}. If the best available release happens to be dual-audio, then only one slot will be used (see wiki for details).
We can have up to 7 slots.

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Thanks to Duki for pointing this out, but we can have more than one exception too, so we actually have 6 slots + any exceptions.

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #82 on: May 27, 2010, 02:40:52 AM »
DId you Read the Wiki? I did, the whole thing. The new plan allows for there to be only one torrent in a particular category. That means only one translation. Who gets screwed? I don't know. Perhaps its the people who don't like localizations, perhaps its the people who do like localization. In one way or another the subtitles (distinguishing from translation which is the conversation from one language to another) will be of higher quality, however that doesn't mean its more enjoyable.
Incorrect.
Video groupings have been changed to [A - FullHD - 1080p], [B - HD - 720p] and [C - SD - <576p]. Each video group has 2 slots: {single-audio} and {dual-audio}. If the best available release happens to be dual-audio, then only one slot will be used (see wiki for details).
We can have up to 7 slots.

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Thanks to Duki for pointing this out, but we can have more than one exception too, so we actually have 6 slots + any exceptions.

Actually, I took into account categories. I bolded that part in what you quoted of mine that is relevant. Also, I wasn't saying "up to" but rather there are cases where a single category may only have one slot. This case is when the best versions is mutli-audio.

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*Releases are judged on video, audio and subtitles. A multi-audio release that is, in all three aspects, comparable to or better than a single-audio release will displace it.
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If the best available release* happens to be multi-audio, only one slot will be used.

As I said, I did read wiki, and it says that that if the best is a multi-audio file than only one slot will be used. This means if someone wants something from a particular category, but the translation isn't too their likely (very possible if there is only one slot), they are quite out of luck. This can mostly be remedied by slightly altering the new rules. Such a modification should change the overall goal.

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #83 on: May 27, 2010, 03:06:13 AM »
So it's just good ol' emule and me now...

Is the way to unregister in the wiki?
I won't use that right now, but rather watch for half a year or so how this will go, but seeing the direction right now, I doubt I will use this place often enough anymore to be a registered user.

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #84 on: May 27, 2010, 03:16:58 AM »
So it's just good ol' emule and me now...

Is the way to unregister in the wiki?
I won't use that right now, but rather watch for half a year or so how this will go, but seeing the direction right now, I doubt I will use this place often enough anymore to be a registered user.

there is -- wait 11 months to get pruned.

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #85 on: May 27, 2010, 03:21:37 AM »
Enjoying watching people not fully read the news post and overreacting.... /grabs popcorn

Offline Kagenoryu

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #86 on: May 27, 2010, 03:24:57 AM »
So it's just good ol' emule and me now...

Is the way to unregister in the wiki?
I won't use that right now, but rather watch for half a year or so how this will go, but seeing the direction right now, I doubt I will use this place often enough anymore to be a registered user. Afterall they can't improve without feedback.

there is -- wait 11 months to get pruned.

Nah, I will rather use a way that gets noticed why I leave (which I also suggest to other avi-preferrers or need-to-users), like asking a to unregister then.

Enjoying watching people not fully read the news post and overreacting.... /grabs popcorn
I rather enjoy watching people not reading replies properly. As said above, I will first watch what will happen, but my reaction of seeing I won't need to be registered here anymore is not based on hating the site now or anything rash like that, but just not needing to use it anymore.

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #87 on: May 27, 2010, 03:40:03 AM »
I rather enjoy watching people not reading replies properly. As said above, I will first watch what will happen, but my reaction of seeing I won't need to be registered here anymore is not based on hating the site now or anything rash like that, but just not needing to use it anymore.

Huh. If you're not one of the people overreacting, then my post isn't for you. Basically some people think anything xvid/divx will be gone in favor for h264 encodes. Hard to find anime only done in divx/xvid won't go away for example.

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #88 on: May 27, 2010, 03:40:47 AM »
The world that has moved on, we do need to move with it or be left behind.

Though it's been said (many times) that these changes don't necessarily mean the avi container will go away.


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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #89 on: May 27, 2010, 03:51:00 AM »
Hmmm... okay, fair enough.  I'll try to pitch in with lots of reviewin'.

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #90 on: May 27, 2010, 04:19:16 AM »
Even though my two cents aren't particularly valuable, I figured I'd add them anyway. IMO at least one XviD/DivX release should be retained for every series regardless of its comparable quality to other releases, simply because not everyone has the ability to deal with the Matroska container and not everyone has a powerful enough machine to decode H.264/AVC at full speed. You would definitely have to have a pretty bad machine to be unable to play back 640x480 files in H.264, but I think it's a bit unreasonable to assume that every anime viewer who uses this site has a machine capable of using the newer formats. I'm still watching anime on my Pentium 4, and I had to pay for CoreAVC to get enough performance to play back 720p files. Unfortunately, libavcodec has terrible performance unless you have a machine sufficiently overpowered to overcome its weaknesses. Most likely a Pentium 3 or worse would be necessary for you to be unable to play SD releases in H.264 format, but I for one think that it is worthwhile to maintain compatibility as well as promote quality. I don't think it would be majorly confusing to have a category E for "here's a XviD version if your computer sucks" content.

Unfortunately, having access to the highest quality versions doesn't do people much good if they can't actually play those files back. I'm by no means against re-organizing the categories, but in the interest of making the site's content useful to the widest audience possible, I think that complete codec neutrality will be detrimental to the site's usefulness. As others have said, since it's up to the users to keep Torrents seeded, there wouldn't be any harm or drain on BakaBT's resources to preserve at least one MPEG-4 Part 2 release for everything, and since the staff is going to the trouble of re-organizing everything anyway, I'm sure there's a way to do it without being obtrusive or confusing.

On a completely unrelated note...

Does this mean that B or C releases will finally receive free leech if an A release isn't available? :P

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #91 on: May 27, 2010, 04:30:27 AM »
On a completely unrelated note...

Does this mean that B or C releases will finally receive free leech if an A release isn't available? :P
No.

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #92 on: May 27, 2010, 04:52:09 AM »
Most likely a Pentium 3 or worse would be necessary for you to be unable to play SD releases in H.264 format, but I for one think that it is worthwhile to maintain compatibility as well as promote quality.

What about Pentium 2's? (with MMX of course) Should we accept .mpg format just to preserve compatibility? At some point you have to move on.

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Unfortunately, having access to the highest quality versions doesn't do people much good if they can't actually play those files back.

It only cost a few hundred dollars (or less) to purchase a computer capable enough to play even the highest quality vids. They can think of it as motivation to get a job and buy a semi-modern computer.

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #93 on: May 27, 2010, 05:01:07 AM »
Is this the demise of the horrible upscales to 1080p that look like a 4yo encoded them?
meaning if the DVD (SD) version preserves more quality because of a competent encoder, we can remove the up scales?
That is unless it's a bad upscale of a 720p from TV but i has (what might just be my opinion) better fansubs.

maybe? are my hopes too high?

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #94 on: May 27, 2010, 05:24:46 AM »
Is this the demise of the horrible upscales to 1080p that look like a 4yo encoded them?
meaning if the DVD (SD) version preserves more quality because of a competent encoder, we can remove the up scales?
My memory fails me; do we have any?

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #95 on: May 27, 2010, 05:33:55 AM »
Is this the demise of the horrible upscales to 1080p that look like a 4yo encoded them?
meaning if the DVD (SD) version preserves more quality because of a competent encoder, we can remove the up scales?
My memory fails me; do we have any?

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Thanks for the reply. I only remember seeing two 1080p that was slightly lower quality than the 720p but i believe at least one was also a different fansub.
For me that should be a reason to keep it since different fansub and quality was reasonable.
It was mostly poking at those two while giving a hypothetical exaggeration of a situations to ensure I was understanding some of the specifics because reading through the previous posts it got a bit confusing in that regard.

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #96 on: May 27, 2010, 05:39:48 AM »
so does this mean that regardless of the new ranking system (video), the parent torrent will still be the one with the best subtitles and audio?

or am i wrong in my understanding because i might have gotten a bit confused after reading 5 full forum pages worth of replies?

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #97 on: May 27, 2010, 07:49:31 AM »
It only cost a few hundred dollars (or less) to purchase a computer capable enough to play even the highest quality vids. They can think of it as motivation to get a job and buy a semi-modern computer.

...By that logic, one could simply buy the anime on DVD/Blu-ray and play it on a stand-alone unit without the need for a computer at all. Somehow it seems a little silly to be telling people on a BitTorrent site that they should spend money, when obviously they are here because they either don't have any or don't want to spend what they have. :P

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #98 on: May 27, 2010, 07:57:27 AM »
...By that logic, one could simply buy the anime on DVD/Blu-ray and play it on a stand-alone unit without the need for a computer at all. Somehow it seems a little silly to be telling people on a BitTorrent site that they should spend money, when obviously they are here because they either don't have any or don't want to spend what they have. :P

Sure, if they don't ever plan on upgrading their computer. Ever. They will have to eventually. It's the nature of the beast.

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Re: Our updated video categorisation system
« Reply #99 on: May 27, 2010, 09:30:06 AM »
Hate having to see all those great DTV fansubs go and only keep DVD/Blu-ray rips with eyecancer vobsubs or Iame OCR'ed subrips without signs/karaoke/etc.
You should really keep at least 1 batch of the best DTV fansub group for every anime.