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Proprietary video codec H264 and open-source WebM

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Daiz:
If Microsoft honestly were stupid enough to stop me from watching "unauthorized" video files on my computer then I'd just switch to some flavor of Linux and use all the FOSS splitters/decoders to watch my shit. Problem fucking solved.

You're being overly paranoid. Nobody would be stupid enough to do shit like this, it'd be a commercial suicide.

K7IA:
In your small world people might mass migrate to some flavor of Linux just because they can't watch their pirated movies, but the reality is far from it.

10 years ago when people were hoping that Linux distributions would finally get a chance with Microsoft pushing its licensing strategy and its fight against illegal copies of Windows operating system, suddenly vendors started shipping their desktops and laptops with Windows OS. Those same vendors didn't even give you a proper chance to choose your OS on your brand new PC after all these years.

What makes you think that Microsoft would openly commit commercial suicide?

http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source/desktop-linux-why-it-may-have-lost-its-chance-820

Now there is a reason why I didn't create this thread in the Lounge section. This is not some sort of struggle to push WebM and get rid of H.264 , it is simply a discussion about technologies. I only expect that you contribute with something useful along with relevant sources.

Daiz:

--- Quote from: K7IA on May 30, 2010, 01:25:56 PM ---I only expect that you contribute with something useful along with relevant sources.
--- End quote ---

While you're free to post wild fantasies pulled out of your ass?

Seriously speaking your posts haven't made much sense from the very beginning of this thread, like this one from the first post:

--- Quote ---At some point, you would expect a newer technology to be better in every aspect compared to it's predecessors, that's why it is only natural to dismiss "VP8" if you think that "what defines a better codec is the ability to the keep the file size lower compared to other codecs while keeping the quality as high as possible and is playable on your computer".
--- End quote ---
What the fuck were you trying to say here? Which is the "new technology" you're referring to, H.264 or VP8?

Neither Apple nor Microsoft (who are just minor parties in the H.264 patent pool, Apple having exactly ONE patent in the pool) have some sort of magical "stop H.264 videos from playing" button in their offices. Something like that would never be made either.

I suggest you actually educate yourself on the subjects you are talking about instead of taking every FUD or biased article as the Ultimate Truth(tm).

theholyduck:
99% of computers already have a h264 decoder, LEGALLY, either by running windows, mac or similar (microsoft, adobe and apple al pay mpeg-la liscences to sell products that include a h264 decoder), or living outside the us and thus out of reach for mpeg-la decoder royalties. similarly, there is no royalties or legal problems in distributing h264 video for free, ANYWHERE: its completely liscence and royalty free .

while the vp8 spec is frozen and was developed in secret by a properitary company repeatedly proven to be staffed almost entirely by idiots, (nubmer6 who used to work for on2 can elaborate more on that)
where as h264 was developed in a 100% open manner, where everyone with the skill to join in the developement of the format was accepted. it went through rigorous testing as a standard, and countless amount of highly experienced people worked on it to make it a open and free standard.

While vp8 is now open and free.h264 is open (the spec is 100% freely available and theres no restrictions on writing your own decoder or encoder) but only free outside of the us, or for non-comercial users.

see how h264 is essentially the pinnacle of open developement and free flow of information? where as vp8 again is a FROZEN format developed totally in secret without a real spec.
Already several bugs, some of them MAJOR have been discovered in vp8, but is un-fixable because they're present in both the encoder and decoder. and theres already several million videos encoded with the broken encoder.

Open and free videoformat, don't make me laugh. its a gigant pile of shit and google refuses to help you if you use it and get sued

fohfoh:
AFAIK, Microsoft did try to implement that either in earlier versions of vista or windows 7 (forgot which it was). The issue was that there was such a HUGE backlash from people that they were required to removed that "feature" in a later update.

Seriously, take the tin foil hats off.

Even if it was true, I'm sure a codec pack would implement things that would "cheat" the system to make it seem like a piece of media. Locking out media forever is a stupid move for anyone so no one is going to do it.

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