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intellectual property software.
« on: June 08, 2010, 12:43:54 AM »
http://www.jkozy.com/Intellectual_Property__Software__and_Piracy.htm

i could say i agree with this article because i also have others reason such as numbers cant be a property.


What you guys think? Should software be called an intellectual property or not?
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2010, 01:00:31 AM »
first off, TL;DR full article~
Yea I kinda think it should be considered intellectual property (in most, not all, cases), but since I am an asshole I will still find a crack/way around paying for it.

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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2010, 01:23:57 AM »
Uhh... if a book can be called intellectual property, why not software?

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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2010, 01:35:40 AM »
Read the article... I’m not going to dissect it paragraph by paragraph, but I don't agree with it at all.  In my opinion, it's just another person trying to justify piracy, and I don't think the author adequately refutes the central premise behind ownership of intellectual property:  in our society, we generally accept that if someone creates something, they own it, unless they've signed away the rights to it, or they didn't otherwise have the rights of ownership in the first place (e.g. they plagiarized the material).  Other laws notwithstanding, the owner of the property normally gets to decide their business model when they put their product on the market.  (By business model, I mean, whether they lease the product or sell it outright -- for example, its common for car manufacturers to lease vehicles to buyers.)

At the most fundamental level, software is still something tangible that somebody has created, regardless of the details of how it came to be, or how it's different from or similar to some other product, or what the quality of the software is, and regardless of the business model used to sell any other product.  It strikes me as a core component of capitalism that, if you create something, you own it, and ultimately you get to decide how your creation is marketed to others.
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Re: intellectual property software.
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2010, 01:45:43 AM »
in our society, we generally accept that if someone creates something, they own it, unless they've signed away the rights to it, or they didn't otherwise have the rights of ownership in the first place (e.g. they plagiarized the material).

I agree with this, but as I said above; when able, I will not be paying for any of it.
As far as software goes these days, something new comes out, a few months later something better comes out based on the same idea/technology. Personally, I will not be paying for each and every new upgrade/newer version. My money is best spent elsewhere.
But that doesnt mean I dont think they own the rights to said product, rather I am one of the reasons they dont thrive.

The rate at which newer and better things arrive and are all based on same but a few added functions has made me not wish to spend on any of it.

Hardware on the other hand...

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Re: intellectual property software.
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2010, 01:46:51 AM »
http://www.jkozy.com/Intellectual_Property__Software__and_Piracy.htm

i could say i agree with this article because i also have others reason such as numbers cant be a property.


What you guys think? Should software be called an intellectual property or not?


With the recent development of artificial DNA you are nothing but a set of data (numbers, software) that can be replicated any number of times therefore you no longer have any value.




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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2010, 01:51:33 AM »
http://www.jkozy.com/Intellectual_Property__Software__and_Piracy.htm

i could say i agree with this article because i also have others reason such as numbers cant be a property.


What you guys think? Should software be called an intellectual property or not?


With the recent development of artificial DNA you are nothing but a set of data (numbers, software) that can be replicated any number of times therefore you no longer have any value.





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Re: intellectual property software.
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2010, 02:59:48 AM »
http://www.jkozy.com/Intellectual_Property__Software__and_Piracy.htm

i could say i agree with this article because i also have others reason such as numbers cant be a property.


What you guys think? Should software be called an intellectual property or not?


With the recent development of artificial DNA you are nothing but a set of data (numbers, software) that can be replicated any number of times therefore you no longer have any value.



A scary yet very possible future.

Already started in like the 40s or something (correct me if I'm wrong). Current legislation allows patents on biological matter. One day, you  might be born and maybe because you have a rash, you're violating a patent.

But from what I read from the article, the guy is stupid.

"A book has authors can collect royalties, software? Ah, they wish it was so. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Someone wrote it, who the fuck cares whether or not they collect the royalties or not. Are we supposed to expect something different out of lets say piriform vs microsoft vs fred the programmer?

"Upgrades". Moron, go fuck a bike. It's like saying, "Charlie and the chocolate factory is what I bought, I should get Charlie and the big glass Elevator too." An upgrade can be seen as the second volume or the continuation of the original.

Articleman thinks that software vs books are different things. Not entirely. "They even claim to retain ownership and sell only the right to use. But even this claim is specious." I'd like to talk about citation. Ok, maybe not since I'm bored already, but damn you I still think my statement has a point. You own the book, yes, but not the content. You may use the content as the author intended you to do so. (ie: read it, and discuss it and maybe slight reference to it, but not modify it and even copy it.) Think how moronic it would sound if someone said, "I bought this book at a book store and now it's my god given right for me to type up a copy for my friends." You'd have more people collectively telling you that you're stupid than those trying to argue about whether dling online is right or wrong. 
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2010, 09:27:02 AM »
This guy will never survive doing business in the adult world.
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2010, 09:44:31 AM »
"Upgrades". Moron, go fuck a bike. It's like saying, "Charlie and the chocolate factory is what I bought, I should get Charlie and the big glass Elevator too." An upgrade can be seen as the second volume or the continuation of the original.
um no.
an upgrade, how i meant it, is like getting a super sized meal at McDonalads... u still get the exact same thing, just a few tweaks, but u are trying to say that I am asking for something completely different just cuz it has its roots in the original. so yea, fail.

not that it matters. we are all members of a torrent site and complaining about intellectual property, thats a laff in itself.
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2010, 06:16:29 PM »
Unless the software is designed to do something specific industry wise I have no problem getting a crack for it. Why even pay for software anyways? Do a quick research and you will probably find a similar FREE software that does the same thing as the payed one.

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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2010, 09:01:31 PM »
Yes.  I write software - I write applications.  It is my work, it is my property.

Unless I'm paid to do it, and I agree to terms of a work for hire contract - then it's my employer's property.

If someone tried to take the stuff I wrote - and call it their own - I'd be pissed.   If someone took something without my permission, and used it - I'd be pissed. 

Just like an employer who paid me for full rights to work for hire - would be pissed if I resold it after I got my payment for it. 

People need to get something out of their work, or there will be nothing to work for.

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But dogsinafen has a point - there are many free GPL products that do the same job as pay.   Examples in point - I could go out and get a copy of windows server - however, I can get any linux build out there, and have a superior and more secure product

Also, it is being used legally - with absolutely no worries for me. 

There are free solutions for everything in the software world - so long as you can figure out how to use them.  :)

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For the pay products - you're paying for a package:  software, support, updates - and a commercial backing to your product.  If a product does NOT provide those things, then it is absolutely not worth paying for.

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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2010, 10:51:55 PM »
WHat you make is yours. The distinguishments made in that article are bull shit. Yes, an apple is an apple and an orange is not, but they are both still fruits.

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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2010, 12:58:19 AM »
"Upgrades". Moron, go fuck a bike. It's like saying, "Charlie and the chocolate factory is what I bought, I should get Charlie and the big glass Elevator too." An upgrade can be seen as the second volume or the continuation of the original.
um no.
an upgrade, how i meant it, is like getting a super sized meal at McDonalads... u still get the exact same thing, just a few tweaks, but u are trying to say that I am asking for something completely different just cuz it has its roots in the original. so yea, fail.

not that it matters. we are all members of a torrent site and complaining about intellectual property, thats a laff in itself.

You're talking update vs upgrade. Your metaphor is edition, not volume. But even then, what examples are you using based on continuous payment? I sure can't think of an upgrade that occurs every few months for which you pay. Even antiviruses, you only update. Windows? Update.

Upgrade is going like XP to Vista to 7. Those types of differences.  

Unless you're talking competing products, for which case it's a laughable thing considering something like, "I bought harry potter, give me twilight too." multiple copies of the same thing? Do you seriously need me to explain how classrooms don't pay for 1 book for a whole class but instead buy 30 or w/e it is for each kid?

Also, I was talking about the person in the article, not you.
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2010, 01:16:57 AM »
"Upgrades". Moron, go fuck a bike. It's like saying, "Charlie and the chocolate factory is what I bought, I should get Charlie and the big glass Elevator too." An upgrade can be seen as the second volume or the continuation of the original.
um no.
an upgrade, how i meant it, is like getting a super sized meal at McDonalads... u still get the exact same thing, just a few tweaks, but u are trying to say that I am asking for something completely different just cuz it has its roots in the original. so yea, fail.

not that it matters. we are all members of a torrent site and complaining about intellectual property, thats a laff in itself.

You're talking update vs upgrade. Your metaphor is edition, not volume. But even then, what examples are you using based on continuous payment? I sure can't think of an upgrade that occurs every few months for which you pay. Even antiviruses, you only update. Windows? Update.

Upgrade is going like XP to Vista to 7. Those types of differences.  

Unless you're talking competing products, for which case it's a laughable thing considering something like, "I bought harry potter, give me twilight too." multiple copies of the same thing? Do you seriously need me to explain how classrooms don't pay for 1 book for a whole class but instead buy 30 or w/e it is for each kid?

Also, I was talking about the person in the article, not you.

at any rate, i was drunk when I made that post, so im not even 100% sure what i was thinking at the time.

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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2010, 02:56:50 AM »
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Read the last few paragraphs, and decided not to  read the rest. He's making retarded statements like
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and other nonsensical stuff. It felt a bit like reading a school essay written from bits and pieces of memorized information along with a whole lot of semi-philosophical questions.

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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2010, 03:37:44 AM »
I didn't note that, but the ads and the shit at the top (including the donation button) told me the guy was an idiot trying to get a free lunch.
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2010, 04:47:33 PM »
If you write a software, you make a tool, and I don't see a problem with intellectual property. So I stand with kyanwan's opinion on this one.

If you write a book which is also a document on some specific subject and is used as a tool (recipes, manuals, thesis, etc...), however if it is music or a fictional book and everything else that has cultural value, then I am all for sharing. I believe that once an artist of some sort creates something of an artistic value, it's no longer his, but belongs to the society. Also, as long as artists are credited for their work, they always have the possibility of making money on it.

However this topic is about software, so I don't have any excuse to pirate it, although I do that with some software.
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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2010, 09:05:30 PM »
I concur, though my definition totally says, "ZOMFG You steal!" I don't care. The definition is the definition. I take because it's easy and I don't need any idiots to run around trying to change the definition to make themselves feel better about themselves or to change it so they can take off their tinfoil hats.

It's not "I share"... no. It's "I pirate". Pussies who want to pretend they're doing something "Not-non" legal should just stfu. This shit is about as bad as littering or jaywalking. Just because a whole lot of people do it doesn't mean you can't get caught for it. Just because it's done by a lot of people doesn't mean we need to make it legal.
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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2010, 10:25:17 PM »
Well, there is a difference between pirating something like a movie over the Internet and physically stealing a movie. In the later case one person has and another person does not, in the former case, one person has and that other person still has.