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Shogun 2 Total war
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--- Quote from: JoonasTo on March 26, 2011, 09:38:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: Path on March 26, 2011, 03:41:52 AM ---It's not as bad as it used to be, though; in Empire I used to sell off land on the first turn to avoid having half the world declare war on me. In Shogun 2 the AI will generally honour alliances, as long as you understand the mechanics to keep it happy.
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ie. Constant tribute? That's pretty much the only thing that works in the earlier versions.
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The main exploit in Empire (it didn't work quite as well in Napoleon due to the way the game was setup, but there was rarely a need for it) was to offer military access to another faction. The AI valued military access so highly that it would never voluntarily break the agreement, i.e. declare war on you. Need a secure border? Give them military access and you're set to go. Experienced players generally avoided using this since it destroyed what little challenge the game had to offer, but many were happy to exploit it.
Sosseres:
Sigh, I just can't get multiplayer to work. :/ Any suggestions? I can connect to the multiplayer area, join a MM game lobby (most of the time). Then it won't go further due to a crash or desync.
oh it also gets stuck on Opponent found, arranging battle. Forcing me to restart the game, which takes like a minute. Kind of frustrating.
edit, yes I have the ports open.
edit 2, managed to play 1 game. Lost horribly, even though I had the better unit composition, probably because he started on the side with the melee bonus objective.
edit 3, I now almost never get a lobby. But I do find an opponent. Getting stuck here sucks. Oh but if opponent gets lobby he can force start, nice, except I only got my general and nothing else (my army value was above 5k it seems)...
edit 4, I managed to play a couple of games. Opponent force started and I got swept in. Sucks when all I have is my general due to incorrectly configured armies though. Try taking a castle with only the general. Hard even if opponent doesn't have units.
edit 5, I now forswear multiplayer until they patch it or a work around to load the lobby is around.
AceHigh:
Finally got to play the game.
There is one thing that struck me: This game's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness: lack of faction diversity. It doesn't matter what clan you chose, the units are identical while some clans get a stat boost on specific units. After all it's all Japan and pretty much a civil war. However it is the game's biggest strength, because balancing must have been a piece of cake for the developers.
The gameplay was good, AI is more or less competent, the graphics are improving with each game. So it's a good game. However it still failed to captivate me the same way Rome: Total war did. I seek the diversity of army units between different factions, and that is the part where "Rome" and "Medieval" settings really shined.
Maybe in the future they will release some expansion where you can fight other real states like Korean and Chinese? That would be more interesting, although I know that at that time Koreans bitch slapped Japanese in naval warfare with their turtle ships, but maybe you could get a "what if" dynamic campaign or something.
It's almost like the history is fucking with us by first fascinating us with the age of samurai, cool looking katanas and all other shit like that, just to later punch us in the face with the fact that (with the exception of Korean war) they never tried to conquer their neighbours.
Sosseres:
--- Quote from: AceHigh on March 28, 2011, 09:06:06 AM ---Finally got to play the game.
There is one thing that struck me: This game's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness: lack of faction diversity. It doesn't matter what clan you chose, the units are identical while some clans get a stat boost on specific units. After all it's all Japan and pretty much a civil war. However it is the game's biggest strength, because balancing must have been a piece of cake for the developers.
The gameplay was good, AI is more or less competent, the graphics are improving with each game. So it's a good game. However it still failed to captivate me the same way Rome: Total war did. I seek the diversity of army units between different factions, and that is the part where "Rome" and "Medieval" settings really shined.
Maybe in the future they will release some expansion where you can fight other real states like Korean and Chinese? That would be more interesting, although I know that at that time Koreans bitch slapped Japanese in naval warfare with their turtle ships, but maybe you could get a "what if" dynamic campaign or something.
It's almost like the history is fucking with us by first fascinating us with the age of samurai, cool looking katanas and all other shit like that, just to later punch us in the face with the fact that (with the exception of Korean war) they never tried to conquer their neighbours.
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The first shogun game got an expansion. So they could do the same for this. Mongol Invasion. A quite realistic scenario. Though maybe calling it a prequel would be better?
They could also expand it with a sequel of the Korean invasion. Both are viable since they already have most of the Japanese art and units done.
As for the factions being the same. Some are inherently stronger due to their bonuses or position. There is a reason there is a difficulty stated on each of the clans. ^^ Having stronger archers is worth more than having stronger cavalry for example.
A better example would be to compare a bonus such as # Can recruit superior siege units (I didn't build a single one in the campaign) vs # Can recruit superior ashigaru (the main part of any army). This is an overall trend where they tried to set a flair to the clans by making them good at various things, while some things are simply better to be good at.
Path:
The Imjin War would make a good expansion, but it's unlikely to happen due to the publisher's stance (SEGA doesn't seem enthusiastic about a war between Korea and Japan—I rather doubt that Koreans would care, but who knows). I'd love a Three Kingdoms expansion that did away with Japan entirely (most of what would be needed for this is already in the game), mostly because CA will never make a game based on the era, so the only hope is some form of expansion.
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