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Offline edjekora

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sharing ratio
« on: June 16, 2010, 04:42:25 AM »
sorry, my english isn't that good and it's a bit hard for me to read all the help topics... please, don't get angry   :-[

why sharing ratio that Vuze shows me is much higher than one that I can see in my profile here? I'ts really large difference for me  :-\

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Re: sharing ratio
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2010, 05:01:13 AM »
how large of a difference is it? 10-20% loss is pretty much doable through overhead, tracker downtimes and abrupt client shutdowns.

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Re: sharing ratio
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2010, 08:09:09 AM »
Throw downloading bad blocks into the mix too. Though if the difference is significantly large, this shouldn't be the problem unless there's one jerk of a seeder out there.

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Re: sharing ratio
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2010, 01:09:20 PM »
For example, "Daddy Long Legs"...
Vuze shows upload of 15,27gb and ratio 2,242 and in my profile i can see 9.09gb upload and 1.590 sharing. Is that normal? :( It's not 10-20%, its' much more.

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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2010, 09:57:51 PM »
Hmm. I've seen someone else report something similar in the past couple days. And yes that is quite significant, it's nearly 50% loss.

I haven't noticed anything weird, though I haven't been monitoring my torrents all that closely.

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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2010, 02:59:37 PM »

Offline edjekora

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Re: sharing ratio
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2010, 10:02:20 AM »
As much as I understood...

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However, the following events can prevent this mechanism from working properly

1.client looses internet connectivity during seeding/leeching (uploading/downloading) and is closed prior to re-establishing a connection
2.client crashes due to an error or you forcefully terminate it
3.client cannot connect to the tracker despite retries (it will continue its P2P activity with the last successful peer list received)
4.tracker might be down for an unknown period of time
5.your ISP is intervening with your connection to the tracker by manipulating packets
6.administrative operations on the tracker/site software (data restore, upgrades)


1. Internet connectivity was perfectly fine.
2. There was no errors. And what is meaning of "forcefully terminate"? I closing it maybe 2-4 times a week, and allways by pressing "x" in the right corner. Is that improper?
3. Didn't understand what was said here( Can anyone explain, please?
4. About this was said above that loss migt be about 10-20%? But I have much more.
5. and 6. didn't understand too. My english or maybe my knowledge about subject isn't good enough(

By the way, my client is Vuze 4.3.1.4

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Re: sharing ratio
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2010, 05:29:48 PM »
[edited] @edjekora refer to the next comment from Freedom Kira, it explains things better imo

Your case might be an extreme case, the cause might not be listed there, however I find it highly unlikely that this is the case.

On a side note, the BakaBT Wiki is maintained to provide general guidance to members and cover common issues we are facing along with their possible known causes. Members from time-to-time notice that their stats do not reflect what it should be (mostly comparing it to their BitTorrent client stats) and request help through the forums. I created that entry in the Wiki yesterday and used this thread to notify members.

« Last Edit: June 19, 2010, 07:52:27 AM by K7IA »

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Re: sharing ratio
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2010, 10:25:42 PM »
1. Internet connectivity was perfectly fine.
2. There was no errors. And what is meaning of "forcefully terminate"? I closing it maybe 2-4 times a week, and allways by pressing "x" in the right corner. Is that improper?
3. Didn't understand what was said here( Can anyone explain, please?
4. About this was said above that loss migt be about 10-20%? But I have much more.
5. and 6. didn't understand too. My english or maybe my knowledge about subject isn't good enough(

By the way, my client is Vuze 4.3.1.4

1 - you may have to monitor your connectivity more closely. Check randomly, approximately every hour or so.
2 - forcefully terminate means you press ctrl+alt+delete and close Vuze through the Task Manager window that pops up. By the way, with Vuze, if you press the X, it stays open even though the window closes. To actually close Vuze, you have to hit Exit/Close in the File menu.
3 - if what K7IA didn't make sense... hmm. If Vuze can't connect to the tracker, you keep seeding and leeching while you keep trying to connect. If this happens, your stats don't get updated on the site, but they do on Vuze.
4 - should not be the case - most people are able to connect fine.
5 - your ISP (Internet Service Provider), the company you connect to for Internet service, may be changing the data you are sending to the tracker. You're in Israel so there are no guarantees.
6 - also shouldn't be the case, as there would probably be more people reporting bad statistics. But basically, if something goes wrong on the server, an admin might restore a data backup from an earlier point, which could cause your statistics to change to what they were at that point.

To me, taking your situation into account, the most likely points out of these six are points 3 and 5. I do think the problem may lie elsewhere though, something complicated that no one thinks of, or something simple that no one thinks of.

I'd like to make sure you have DHT turned off for BBT torrents. If you just downloaded the torrent off of BBT while logged in and started it without changing anything, you shouldn't have to worry about this.

Do you have the Mainline DHT plugin installed? If not, don't worry, you don't have to install it.

Can you list the specs of your computer? Hardware, processor, RAM, HDD, OS? Check Google or Wikipedia if you don't know what those abbreviations mean.

List your Internet speed limits too. Use Speedtest (with all Internet activity stopped) if you're not sure.

If all else fails, I'd probably just recommend you change over to uTorrent for a while and see how it goes...

Offline edjekora

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Re: sharing ratio
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2010, 05:45:45 AM »
to K7IA: ok, thanks!

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1 - you may have to monitor your connectivity more closely. Check randomly, approximately every hour or so.
As I could see from surfing online and from download and upload speed in Vuze itself, there wasn't any problem( Internet problems is something that I see maybe twice a year in the worst case.

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2 - forcefully terminate means you press ctrl+alt+delete and close Vuze through the Task Manager window that pops up. By the way, with Vuze, if you press the X, it stays open even though the window closes. To actually close Vuze, you have to hit Exit/Close in the File menu.
This is fine too, usually I close Vuze by clicking it's icon in the right corner and choosing "Exit".

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3 - if what K7IA didn't make sense... hmm. If Vuze can't connect to the tracker, you keep seeding and leeching while you keep trying to connect. If this happens, your stats don't get updated on the site, but they do on Vuze.
Oh. Something like this i've seen. "Cant't connect to the tracker" and the upload speed is still fine. But this wasn't *that* often so I could lose something like 10gb... How can I check it deeper and avoid if this appears again?

4. ok, let's skip it))

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5 - your ISP (Internet Service Provider), the company you connect to for Internet service, may be changing the data you are sending to the tracker. You're in Israel so there are no guarantees.
I never heard of something like this. I have antivirus protecton from my provider, but it's only blocks websites... Even when I have payment problems, they block only surfing trough the browser and (really, strange) it's doesn't afects things like vuze or emule o.0 Anyway, if it was provider, wasn't my sharing ration unupdated a server at all?
I should call them and check it with them?


I never heard of dht, but I downloadig torents while authorised and don't change anything.

Specs of my computer: win xp sp3, amd athlon 175GHz, 512 mb of RAM, quite old one.


p.s. sorry for disappearing, I was very busy, and thanks a lot for answering!!

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Re: sharing ratio
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2010, 06:25:57 AM »
As I could see from surfing online and from download and upload speed in Vuze itself, there wasn't any problem( Internet problems is something that I see maybe twice a year in the worst case.

I was referring more to Vuze connectivity in particular. Doesn't seem to be a problem either way though.

This is fine too, usually I close Vuze by clicking it's icon in the right corner and choosing "Exit".

That is another way of closing it, yeah. I don't think this is the problem either.

Oh. Something like this i've seen. "Cant't connect to the tracker" and the upload speed is still fine. But this wasn't *that* often so I could lose something like 10gb... How can I check it deeper and avoid if this appears again?

Avoid closing Vuze when you see that, because there's a chance it might not send the proper information to the tracker. If you leave it running, it will just update next time it is able to connect. But yeah, 10GB is quite a bit to lose from something so infrequent.

I never heard of something like this. I have antivirus protecton from my provider, but it's only blocks websites... Even when I have payment problems, they block only surfing trough the browser and (really, strange) it's doesn't afects things like vuze or emule o.0 Anyway, if it was provider, wasn't my sharing ration unupdated a server at all?

The problem lies in the connection itself, which runs through the ISP into the Internet backbone. It doesn't have anything to do with software on your computer. Your ISP might have blocked the transmission of some data packets to the tracker.
Think of it this way - through a huge mass of wiring, you have a connection to the tracker from your computer eventually. At some point in that mass of wiring, you have to go through your ISP, which gives you access to the Internet. It's kinda like a hallway, where you are at one end and the tracker is at the other end, and the ISP is like a security guard in the middle of the hallway that stops some things from going through.

I should call them and check it with them?

I'm not sure, actually. I personally never had any problems with ISPs and BitTorrent traffic. See if anyone else here has some insight on that.

I never heard of dht, but I downloadig torents while authorised and don't change anything.

I'm not sure what you mean by "authorized," but if you don't know what DHT is, chances are that's not your problem.

Specs of my computer: win xp sp3, amd athlon 175GHz, 512 mb of RAM, quite old one.

What a fast processor :P

Anyway, I had somewhat higher specs when I used Vuze. Win XP SP3, Intel P4 3.0GHz, 1GB RAM. I don't think specs is the problem, though you probably feel that your computer becomes very slow when you are running Vuze because it uses so much memory.

So what are your Internet speed limits? I figure it might help a little.

Try this:
1. Download uTorrent (or find it on Google, use version 2.01 or 2.02, not 2.1 because it's currently still in alpha testing) and install it.
2. Stop one of the torrents you are seeding in Vuze. You don't have to remove it. Pick one that you normally upload pretty fast to.
3. Open that torrent in uTorrent and point it at the data you have. Use the reseeding tutorial in the Wiki if you aren't sure how to do this.
4. Write down your current upload stats recorded on the BBT website, not in Vuze.
5. Let the torrent seed 1-2GB (over a week or two).
6. Add the amount you have seeded to the amount you wrote down in step 4. Check this with the updated amount on the website. Do you still notice a difference?

(note1: you can run uTorrent and Vuze at the same time)
(note2: keep checking back on the forums to see if anyone else is reporting similar discrepancies, and post a comment if you notice one. You might not be the only one)
(note3: in step 2, you can also choose to stop all your torrents so that the one torrent you open in uTorrent in step 3 can upload faster)

[edited] @edjekora refer to the next comment from Freedom Kira, it explains things better imo

Eh, you should have left your explanation. It might have explained things better to certain people.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2010, 06:31:04 AM by Freedom Kira »

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Re: sharing ratio
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2010, 08:27:53 AM »
[edited] @edjekora refer to the next comment from Freedom Kira, it explains things better imo

Eh, you should have left your explanation. It might have explained things better to certain people.

I felt as if I was reading my own post, with words I originally intended it to be. Strange... Yours suddenly looked like a re-wised version, so I removed mine. It was a subset anyway.

cheers


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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2010, 10:13:44 PM »
I felt as if I was reading my own post, with words I originally intended it to be. Strange... Yours suddenly looked like a revised version, so I removed mine. It was a subset anyway.

cheers

I thought it was just put into different words. Yours might have made more sense to some people.

Well, whatever  :D

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Re: sharing ratio
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2010, 04:33:20 AM »
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What a fast processor
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(note1: you can run uTorrent and Vuze at the same time)

I don't think it will be the best idea, because... You've seen  :D

Thanks again, I'm trying Utorrent and afterwards will report if it helped or not...

p.s. you're really talented in explanation to people like me, thanks again!!

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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2010, 05:02:50 AM »
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What a fast processor

I was just amused at your "175GHz" processor.

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p.s. you're really talented in explanation to people like me, thanks again!!

I try. Sometimes using different wording helps people understand. Good luck!

By the way, a new announcement says that the server lost power and so the stats for about 20 hours are gone.
If you notice a difference, this could be what caused it.

You should write down the current amount that you uploaded in uTorrent and the amount that shows up on the website again and use the new numbers when you compare later.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2010, 05:04:54 AM by Freedom Kira »

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Re: sharing ratio
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2010, 04:48:02 AM »
As I can see now, uTorrent works fine 0.o
Record of Lodoss War - site shows 1,31 - uTorrent shows 1,34
Daddy Long Legs - site shows 2,43 - uTorrent shows 2,40

I guess, 0,03 gb loss is that loss you have mentioned about. By the way, I have really low upload speed and that's why I was so worried about that huge loss.

Problem solved, don't it? Thanks a lot again  :-*

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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2010, 06:26:31 AM »
Ah, good. Weird though that the problem is with Vuze... I never had that kind of problem before.