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Offline jaybug

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Re: Maximize Upload
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2010, 01:06:38 PM »
Is the only purpose for Global upload rate limiting to allow for speedier web surfing? Because aside from that, all it is doing for me is making the graph under the Speed tab in the client window too large to make a good guess as to how well things are going.

I've checked the bandwidth allocation of each torrent, and only one has been set to high. Currently it is only seeding at 2kBps. That torrent is 8.67GB, is the reason for such allocation.

So far the best way I can find to have a high seed rate is to pause most all the other torrents. Then changing which torrents to resume after either a few hours, or after a leechers has reached 100%.

If a leecher cannot accept a high rate, I'll add another torrent to try to give someone else a shot at getting their download finished more quickly.
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Re: Maximize Upload
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2010, 03:13:42 PM »
"Global upload / download rate" limits the amount of data that goes back and forth.
Its useful to set this a bit lower than youre actual speed. The client dont tell you how much "traffic"(the communication data to other clients and servers) it generate.

The more connections you got open, the more traffic. If youre upload/download + traffic = higher than bandwith..you choke and youre client cant communicate properly.

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Re: Maximize Upload
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2010, 04:31:17 AM »
uTorrent now has, what they call overhead, and I assume this is what you mean by traffic. The information needed to coordinate between all the clients in the swarm. But there is no Global Download rate. At least not where the Global Upload Rate is located...

I'd like to know why, when I have set the limit to seed/leech a maximum of four torrents, it still wants to have eleven running concurrently.
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Re: Maximize Upload
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2010, 05:00:10 AM »
I was under the impression overhead meant the occasional transmission of bad data (which means you'd have to redownload the piece(s)).

Do your seeding torrents show "(F)" next to "Seeding"? The (F) means forced, afaik.

Otherwise, if you meant "running concurrently" as in they all say seeding, it should be because at most only four of them are ever moving. I don't think the status changes to paused when it's not moving.

Then again I'm not a huge uTorrent user, as I just use it on my laptop occasionally. So I could be wrong about all that.

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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2010, 05:47:15 AM »
I was under the impression overhead meant the occasional transmission of bad data (which means you'd have to redownload the piece(s)).

Do your seeding torrents show "(F)" next to "Seeding"? The (F) means forced, afaik.

Otherwise, if you meant "running concurrently" as in they all say seeding, it should be because at most only four of them are ever moving. I don't think the status changes to paused when it's not moving.

Then again I'm not a huge uTorrent user, as I just use it on my laptop occasionally. So I could be wrong about all that.

A: Oh? That never crossed my mind. It seems to work itself out and I have yet to see a glitch watching my anime even if a couple hash checks failed.

B: No "F"s. But I think perhaps that a torrent is forced if that option is unselectable after right-clicking on the torrent. As most of my torrents are selectable for Force Start. But pausing the torrent will stop seeding after a bit.

C: The 2.0.1 uTorrent client now shows a torrent to not be ready to upload when the blue up arrow turns to a light blue up arrow. Good thing my partial color-blindness is only for reds and greens, eh? lol

Tonight's experiment will be to seed only four torrents, and see if I picked the right ones, and can maintain speeds around the high 80s, all night. I doubt that I could keep that speed with say only two torrents active. Someone would come along with a slow download speed, and mess it all up, wouldn't you know?

As of right now, I have six unpaused torrents. Three are seeing, one is downloading, two don't have any leechers connected. And my overall upload speed seems to be in the same 80s range as before. Highest upload speed is in the thirties and the low one is ion the teens.
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Re: Maximize Upload
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2010, 06:40:15 AM »
A: Oh? That never crossed my mind. It seems to work itself out and I have yet to see a glitch watching my anime even if a couple hash checks failed.

Yeah, that's because the bad data is discarded and the piece is downloaded again. You should not have any bad data in anything you download from a good client like uTorrent, unless you move the data around and the data isn't written properly somewhere along the way.

B: No "F"s. But I think perhaps that a torrent is forced if that option is unselectable after right-clicking on the torrent. As most of my torrents are selectable for Force Start. But pausing the torrent will stop seeding after a bit.

Hmm, last time I used uTorrent was when version 1.8.5 or 1.8.6 was the newest...
But I doubt that. It makes more sense if the torrent can't be forced if the option is unselectable.

Anyway, like I said before, remember the global ratio is the important one. That's why I suggest leaving several torrents seeding, as there is more of a chance to catch a leecher (for lack of a better term, heh) when you are seeding more torrents. Even if individual torrent speeds are lower, collectively your torrents move more quickly and stably.

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Re: Maximize Upload
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2010, 11:13:24 AM »
uTorrent now has, what they call overhead, and I assume this is what you mean by traffic. The information needed to coordinate between all the clients in the swarm. But there is no Global Download rate. At least not where the Global Upload Rate is located...

I'd like to know why, when I have set the limit to seed/leech a maximum of four torrents, it still wants to have eleven running concurrently.

Theres a global download rate, verry verry close..

You can even make it visible and ajust it in the main window.


About the maximum active torrents.

Try setting "Maximum number of active torrents" to whatever you want.

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Re: Maximize Upload
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2010, 01:34:57 PM »
I had to quote you in a reply to see if you actually copied your preferences window. I was hoping you had, because it would make it easier for me to explain some things. Upload is set to 100, Down to 0.

Overnight, it appears that I had a steady run of the 70-90 range. I've lowered my upload rate to 100, in order to have a more accurate speed graph. ( If I could copy and paste my speed graph, would that make me a speed grapher?) You lousy pun of the day.
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Re: Maximize Upload
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2010, 10:12:39 PM »
I had to quote you in a reply to see if you actually copied your preferences window. I was hoping you had, because it would make it easier for me to explain some things. Upload is set to 100, Down to 0.
Wait, huh?  He just took a screenshot of the window - you can't really "copy" a graphical application like that.
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« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2010, 11:30:47 PM »
Not a screen shot but this: "http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5823/utorrentbandwithsetting.jpg" I hit the quote button to a particular post, and see if it was a an Internet file, or something else, say a screenshot. But it would be nice if you could copy and paste from uTorrent! Picture worth a thousand words sort of thing, you know.
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Re: Maximize Upload
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2010, 12:35:21 AM »
Well, we're getting incredibly off-topic, but you can do that with a right-click -> view image, or similar.
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Re: Maximize Upload
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2010, 01:23:32 AM »
I'll have to remember that the next time I need to explain something uTorrent related. I never thought that if I could already see an image, that I would need to View Image. But to send it to someone else. I see, said the blind man.

I noticed just before I left for work, that all the active torrents except one were seeding. And luckily it was cruising along at 80kBps. I may further reduce my leechers per torrent down to two, again.

Are these speeds similar to the rate the Power Users seed? If not, it doesn't look like I will ever become one.
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Re: Maximize Upload
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2010, 02:55:34 AM »
Are these speeds similar to the rate the Power Users seed?
Well, I know Power Users who can only seed up at somewhere around 15 kB/s.

I myself gained most of my upload from a constant 80 kB/s up, and it's served me well enough that I haven't done much seeding the last 6 months, while still downloading like crazy, and still not dipped below 2.0.
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Re: Maximize Upload
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2010, 03:32:07 AM »
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I myself gained most of my upload from a constant 80 kB/s up, and it's served me well enough that I haven't done much seeding the last 6 months, while still downloading like crazy, and still not dipped below 2.0.

So, I guess what I have is about as good as it gets. It just seems a shame to have all that unused bandwidth that I pay for every month.
All of a sudden I feel as if I am playing an MMORPG IRL, sort of. Having to find the right torrents that seed like crazy to allow me to download like you wouldn't believe. I can't wait to see what I can download in about two hours, when the probationary period expires!

Again, thanks for all the help, time and bother I have caused you all.
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Re: Maximize Upload
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2010, 05:18:32 AM »
Are these speeds similar to the rate the Power Users seed? If not, it doesn't look like I will ever become one.

You seem to have a misconception of what a Power User is.

Power User status is completely irrelevant to upload speed. As long as you have a high enough uploaded amount of data, and a high enough ratio, you are a Power User.

So, even someone with a dial-up connection can become a Power User given enough time.