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Xiong Chiamiov:
Hmm, you should be getting something closer to 12/2, although 12/1 isn't too far off for US ISPs. :/  You might check your ISPs website to see what they claim to be giving you.

Freedom Kira:
Gah, first BSOD in months, and it managed to wipe out my reply. Here we go again.


--- Quote from: Xiong Chiamiov on July 01, 2010, 03:00:18 AM ---Hmm, you should be getting something closer to 12/2, although 12/1 isn't too far off for US ISPs. :/  You might check your ISPs website to see what they claim to be giving you.

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He might not be living in the US... then again you're a moderator so you have access to his IP.

Anyway, at Midorinokabe:

1. That's one really long post. And I thought I was long-winded.

2. I used to use Vuze once upon a time. Since I got a separate box that acts as a server/torrenter, I've abandoned it. It's very bloated - feature-rich to a fault. Not saying it's a bad client; it's one of the best, but only if your computer can handle it.

3. How sure are you of your speedtest results? You have to run the test with as little Internet activity as possible, including IM, torrents, browsing, gaming, etc. Try running a test with another tool, like Speedtest.net, and see if the numbers match up.

4. It's a good idea to limit your up speed to about 80% of your given upload speed limit. Set it lower, maybe 50-60%, if you plan on browsing while torrenting.

5. You mentioned throttling, and seem to not have quite a clear understanding of it. Wikipedia has a pretty good explanation of it. Basically, it's your ISP limiting certain traffic flow through your connection, usually BitTorrent traffic.
In terms of BitTorrent on your local network, it is simply the process of limiting the amount of BitTorrnet traffic going through your connection.

6. Your router simply connects all three computers to the Internet through one line, assuming it's configured correctly. The sum of the speeds should always be less than your quoted maximum speed, but you should be able to reach fairly close to the limit collectively.

7. I don't know if you ignored newy's comment, or if you just understood and didn't say anything, but basically you can only seed to people who are leeching. If there is no one to take the data, you can't send any. In other words, your seeding rate is bottlenecked by either your bandwidth limit or the leechers; on BBT it is more often the latter. So if you find that you seed slowly sometimes, it is not necessarily because your connection sucks.

8. As for your very first comment, try reading Wikipedia's article on it. It's very informative.

Midorinokage:
@Xiong, I don't quite understand what you are saying, 12/1? Is what you are saying is that I should be more like 12.2 or something along those lines? Sorry for not being able to figure that out. Btw, yes I am in the US and I am up in Alaska dealing with GCI (internet provider), a company known  for claiming false services, having a lot of downtime and failed internet days among other problems; as far as I know, there is a single "trunk line" as some people call it coming into where I live and many people here complain about the internet for various reasons, who knows if this is related to those ratios you said I should have.

@Freedom Kira, sorry for being long winded, I tried to keep it as no nonsense and to the point as possible but I end up failing at that a lot. Vuze is a good program and though my computer is pretty basic and old it runs the program in the background of other applications just fine and doesn't seem to steal my internet speed from other programs unless its been running for 3+ days straight which I try not to do. I also believe that percentage you mentioned was defaulted at 60% before I altered it to 80% yesterday, it didn't seem to alter my speed at all, I will change it back to 60% unless I can see a noticeable difference.

Regrading the Speedtest sent me the link to, I played around with it a few times after restarting my computer and it came up with different values. First of all the yellow pyramid is located in Whitehorse Canada which is not where I live, I am in Alaska, close to Whitehorse but not really in Canada; when I clicked this pyramid it began a test on me, the results were: 5.59Mbs DL and .94Mbs UL with a ping of 126ms, note this also stated my ISP average was quite high. A second test where I clicked a little further to the West which allowed me to click on a blue pyramid which was Anchorage which is actually in my state and closer related to where I am, this came up with 12.26 DL and .96 UL with a 23ms ping, a second attempt on the same city came up with 12.16 DL and .95 UL with a 23ms ping, note that both these tests told me my ISP average was very low compared to my results. The final test was located in San Fransisco which is close to where I plan to moving in a year, did this just to see what would come up, I got a 3.53 DL and a .95 UL with a 43ms ping, note my results were lower then the ISP average this time, the Ave which was now maxed.

This leaves me quite confused as I don't know where I should really pick to have the speed test done, the place it thinks is closest, the place I think is closest or what, sorry for making a simple test so difficult. Another thing is why is my DL so different and my UL is about the same on every test and does that .01 in my UL speed matter at all or is this negligible? Note that I am in Alaska and that the most accurate test that matches closely to the test Xiong gave me was the Anchorage one which was not the yellow pyramid.

Both the wikipedia links are very helpful, I am spending free time reading bits and pieces which is really helping me understand some of these terms, I didn't have to ask what ping was because of this information, thank you. What is Mbps if I may ask, this is Megabits apposed to MegaBytes if I am not mistaken. What speed is 12.12 or 12.26 exactly, Vuze tells me speed in "B" and not in "b", but if what I tried to figure out is correct, .94Mbps is near the same as about 129-139 KBs?

About Newy's comment, I didn't comment cos I thought I was being made fun of, I understood the analogy but I didn't apply it in a way regarding leeches and thought it was because I was confused how bandwidth and internet speeds worked while using a cable connection. I apologize for interpreting that so negatively at the time. This would explain certain points in the day where my speed barely reaches past 30-60 UL speed, this would be because out of the 18 torrents I am seeding, no one needs my information, did I understand this correctly?

One last question which is off topic, but to save making another thread is: I know from reading the FAQ, rules and wiki how this site works, but I want to clarify something. Ratio is the only thing that matters correct? Even if I have UL'ed 100TB of information, a ratio of around .2 is not sufficient, right? It doesn't matter how much you upload in numbers, the only thing that matters is ratio, right? I really hope I worded that in a way that made sense, I rewrote this three times to make sure it was.

Also wanted to thank everyone for the positive attitude and the immense amounts of help you are all offering me which is something I am not used to from posting on other forums and dealing with internet trolls and anons, I hope one day I can return the favor :)

Freedom Kira:
Haha, yet another long post.

12/1 means 12Mbps download and 1Mbps upload; i.e. it is a measure of your connection speed, or at least what your ISP quotes you. He was probably comparing your speeds to what US ISPs usually give.

If you notice your computer slows down a lot, try uTorrent, as it is much more lightweight. The switch may cause some initial confusion, though, as the interface is pretty different. But if you are running on a slower computer, it may be a worthwhile switch for you. I'm not about to tell you that one is better than the other, as they have their pros and cons.

As for speeds, it seems that calculator tells you to limit it to 80% of your limit. But yeah, if you are fine with other Internet-using activities at 80%, you might as well leave it at 80%.

Ah, Alaska. The yellow pyramid is the server that the site recommends to you based on your location, which in turn is determined by your IP, so it's not always accurate but it tries to pick the server that is nearest your location. When you tested with Whitehorse you may have run into some server overload problems on their side. I just tested with Whitehorse myself, and the speeds are more or less as expected. According to your speeds, you seem to have a 12.5/1 connection given overhead.
You don't seem to have a clear understanding of how it works. When you run a test, regardless of your location, you are testing your own connection, not the connection of the area that you choose. The pyramids that show up are the available servers you can choose from to conduct your test (you need someone to upload/download the test data to/from). Sometimes servers may become overloaded so it's a good idea to try a few different locations until you seem to have consistent results.
In other words, you can't run a speedtest to a server in SanFran and assume the speed you get from that will be the speed you will get from your ISP there.

As for discrepancies in the download speed, it interests me as I don't usually see such large differences. You might just have picked overloaded servers (which would not be able to push out data as quickly as they normally would) by coincidence.
And as for ISP average, this is a comparison of your speed to an average of the results obtained from your ISP. Seems like they take the speeds that fall in the 95th percentile and average them, and compare your results to this average. Read more at Speedtest's Q&A. It will answer your question about location as well.

0.01Mbps is approximately equal to 10Kbps, which is 1.25KBps. It's negligible. The test is rarely, if ever, 100% accurate anyway.

Speedtest should be giving you your speed in Megabits. Your 12.something should be in Mbps. Most clients, Vuze and uTorrent included (though you can change uTorrent's setting to display in bits instead), display your speed in Bytes.

On conversions, there are 8 bits in a Byte, yeah? Hope you knew that. Anyway that's what you use to convert - multiply or divide by 8.
Also, to be exact, a Megabyte is supposed to be 1024 kilobytes. Conventions have changed, though, such that a Megabyte is 1000 kiloBytes, while a Mebibyte is 1024 Kibibytes. It's stupid - in the computing world most people still use 1024 for Megabytes.

Nah, newy wasn't making fun of you. He just answers the "OMG HOW DO I SEED MOAR QUICKLY" question every other day, so he finds a new way to explain so it doesn't get boring. That's how I see it anyway. Don't kill me, newy.
Anyway, that's the jist of it. You can only seed to people who are downloading the data. You don't throw a football where there's no one to catch it.

And yes, everything is relative, which is what your ratio measures. So yeah, if you somehow manage to download 500TB, only uploading 100TB (i.e. 0.2 ratio) isn't really being fair.
To be crystal clear, individual ratios don't matter in the end either, it's your single global one (total up divided by total down) that does.

Oh, we have trolls here too. The n00b-pwners seem to be on holiday though. Well, one of the two, anyway. But yeah, people around here are more helpful and friendly to people who are willing to look up information for themselves before asking questions. We usually just get annoyed at people who just walk in here and ask the same generic question that has been answered in the Wiki, aside from hundreds of times in the forums. If you lurk around the help forum, you'll soon see what I mean.

Midorinokage:
Well, that is the reason I felt I needed to make a post, most of the posts regarding "seeding" or "vuze" were regarding just that, how to make the seeding process faster. I just wanted to know if my speeds were normal with such a fast connect because in the past I never had such a hard time, most of my speeds were fairy equal. Since 2006 I have been using torrents and before my average DL was about 20-40KBs with an upload of roughly 10-15kBs, I could not download fast enough to ruin my ratio and old Azeurus recognized me at 2.0 and 3.0 before formatting multiple times by ratio wise, I had DL'ed about 15 gigs of material tops over the course of months. I assumed my UL speed should be just as killer as my download speed now but now I see this is incorrect, too bad I am not getting a 12/2 ratio rather then a 12/1, that is pretty sad, another thing to dislike GCI about, only provider, high prices and imbalanced connection speeds.

Surprisingly (and probably sad to most of you) I did not know that 8 bits equal a byte, I knew that 1024 MB equals a single GB and 1024 GB's equal a TB which applies even into the PB I have heard they already named (despite Petabyte sounding stupid) but no, I am no computer expert so this helped me a lot, seriously, a ton of help, thank you.

My questions have been answered to the fullest, I thank you all for your help. My speed is normal thus there is no reason to alter my vuze settings, nothing can be done about it so I will simply deal. I also learned a great many things about how the process of torrents work on top of other things now with much appreciation to Freedom Kira for that. I have nothing more to ask and so I think this thread is done, the links will help me in the future as well. Thanks again for all the help :)

07/03/10
In response to Freedom Kira from July 03, 2010, 12:34:20 AM: I may have worded that a bit strangely, I am aware that the BakaBT global ratio is far different from speed as its only talking about the ratio of DL'ed vs UL'ed material, but ratio is also a term used to compare similar values that are related to each other, such as the 12:1 speed ratio I receive, DL:UL, didn't mean to confuse the issue, sorry. And yes, I am very aware of the bastardization of measurability that the US uses compared to the rest of the world, I prefer to use the metric myself but was not raised with it so am slow to convert them. Anyway, thanks again for following up and making sure I wasn't lost in another dimension and confusing people from afar xD

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