Shiki

[dbml]

Another good episode. Not many humans left!

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I'm predicting that Natsuno will end up turning the doc, then bring them down from the inside. They'll set up something so they all get fried by sunlight, then go head-to-head against the two that sunlight doesn't affect.

[newy]

The other one that isn't affected by sunlight is the maid of the Kirishiki clan.

[dbml]

The other one that isn't affected by sunlight is the maid of the Kirishiki clan.

Have we seen her at all yet? I don't recall a maid.

[HazukiChan]

I don't recall her either, but then I could have just not noticed her.

[newy]

We have. And it's not your otaku maid. She wears a traditional yukata/kimono. Black short hair.

[Loke Jen]

Im on episode 5 now, so far its pretty good but i really dont like many of the haircuts and eye coloring.

[HazukiChan]

I need to find that chart that someone posted on MAL that has names for all the hairstyles, I laughed so hard at it.
For example, the nurse with the green hair that is all windy, her hair-do was called " the Mountain Pass" or something really close to that.
 

[Havoc10K]

since I hate dropping shows I started watching I watched the eps from where i left off, and i can't possibly imagine this story being very popular, each episode has nonsense all over the place, Natsuno got sucked and now he is shiki, and he walks during the day.

 newy is wondering how come he is able to, I am wondering who he feeds on ?(hole#1)

 the doc killed his own wife and the monk says that was a sin, but it's not a sin to want to survive ?
the doc wants to help survive the whole village and save it,
it's wrong to kill that which was killed already but it's not wrong for them to kill ?(hole#2)

the doc is now being sucked dry and joins the happy Shiki, so does monk(hole#3)

Natsuno seems to be much stronger that the Kirishiki's dog, even though we don't even know if he feeds at all(hole#4)

Natsuno's friend is having dilemma about killing him but he already stated he has no problem with killing others, gay ? who dug Natsuno out ?(hole#5)

It seems a few days passed since last episode conclusion, where the little kid got caught, you don't call police about this ? (hole#6)
she even dug her own grave, talk about a useful ally in the fight.

Seriously, I find this show so ridiculous that I wonder if it isn't just something to fill a hole after a show that got cancelled.

I hate dropping shows and started this one so I'll finish, but it's really pissing me off seeing how stupid you can be in a rural village.

Edit: so much for your ally Natsuno:

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[newy]

I just read new chapters and seeing your "holes" I can only laugh about you!

Apparently, you're unable to empathize other people. This show is nothing for you. Please drop it for our sake!

"hole" #1: It hasn't even been explained how Tatsumi and Yoshie have become daywalkers/are daywalkers.

"hole" #2: Shiki kill humans in order to survive, humans kill cattle in order to survive. Where is the sin in that? It's perverse but logical.

"hole" #3: What hole? Of course, we don't know how the doc is now to defeat the Shiki but I don't see any plothole here. It's twist. The case of Seishin is more of a psychological matter.

"hole" #4: And where in this episode (17) do you see that Natsuno is stronger than Tatsumi?

"hole" #5: Because he killed Natsuno the threshold to kill has been lowered. Who said Natsuno was ever buried?

"hole" #6: Why call the police when the police is working for the Kirishiki and the original officer "moved" away...?


And to the others, Yoshie is the maid I was talking about.

[cptjanvier]

Wakasensei T.T

The reason why I love anime is because it frequently defies Western storytelling logic. But this one is real torture for me. I just can't get over how easily the heroes and heroines die in this one. Good thing it will be over soon.

[HazukiChan]

Thanks newy for the clarification ^_^

Episode 17 bummed me out as I was expecting more positive action.

[Havoc10K]

I just read new chapters and seeing your "holes" I can only laugh about you!

Apparently, you're unable to empathize other people. This show is nothing for you. Please drop it for our sake!

"hole" #1: It hasn't even been explained how Tatsumi and Yoshie have become daywalkers/are daywalkers.

"hole" #2: Shiki kill humans in order to survive, humans kill cattle in order to survive. Where is the sin in that? It's perverse but logical.

"hole" #3: What hole? Of course, we don't know how the doc is now to defeat the Shiki but I don't see any plothole here. It's twist. The case of Seishin is more of a psychological matter.

"hole" #4: And where in this episode (17) do you see that Natsuno is stronger than Tatsumi?

"hole" #5: Because he killed Natsuno the threshold to kill has been lowered. Who said Natsuno was ever buried?

"hole" #6: Why call the police when the police is working for the Kirishiki and the original officer "moved" away...?


And to the others, Yoshie is the maid I was talking about.

there was a scene where Tatsumi was chasing Natsuno and finally gave up, as for Tatsumi walking, rewatch the shiki little girls tale, that guy there kinda looks like Tatsumi, though I can't really tell cuz of the stupid hair that are all over this place, now for once I liked that nurse, she looked kinda nice and elegant in those clothes, well, she gonna die soon anyways, well Natsuno is about the only one living if you don't count that girl with pigtails whose brother was taken by Shiki, she pretty much broke down, and to make it funnier, the monk was comforting her and realized how stupid he is (in my eyes)

also, yeah, survival, but killing cattle to survive is not like killing a human to stuff your belly, that monk pretty much didn't give a shit about the village since he met the Kirishiki's girl, that girls has power in words, and the cliched scene with the husband making a tear in the eye, that was such a fail, I'm not gonna drop this cuz I hate dropping shows that I started, but I have no idea why you are so hyped about it. Clearly you can see how flawed this story is, I doubt there is gonna be a definite end to the story.

Thanks newy for the clarification ^_^

Episode 17 bummed me out as I was expecting more positive action.

everything that could have made some positive progress in the story has been killed/converted, I suppose that there will be VanHellsing coming to town.

[harlock81]

Wakasensei T.T

The reason why I love anime is because it frequently defies Western storytelling logic. But this one is real torture for me. I just can't get over how easily the heroes and heroines die in this one. Good thing it will be over soon.

Why is it so bad that most of the people are dieing? I think it holds more water than most anime plots where for no real reason or logic the good guys all win and everything is ok in the end. Early on the show painted a dark out come and i dont really see a happy ending coming and i prefer it that way. Sometimes its nice when the bad guy wins, or atleast the good guys lose too. It works that way in the real world sometimes so why not in anime.

It didnt look as much like tatsumi chasing natsuno and giving up as it did he was following natsuno and decided that he didnt need to anymore for what ever reason.

[dbml]

Why is it so bad that most of the people are dieing? I think it holds more water than most anime plots where for no real reason or logic the good guys all win and everything is ok in the end. Early on the show painted a dark out come and i dont really see a happy ending coming and i prefer it that way. Sometimes its nice when the bad guy wins, or atleast the good guys lose too. It works that way in the real world sometimes so why not in anime.

+1 for that! Having the good guys win all the time (or everyone making it out alive) gets incredibly dull. And I love this series for not being like that. It's dark, mysterious... although a bit ponderous. I happen to love the hairstyles, though the faces could use some work Like that one dumbass who was always trying to be buddy-buddy with Natsuno. His face made me cringe.

As for episode 17, looks like the ol' doc is fed up. Guess he's gonna try to them it down from the inside...... maybe.

[cptjanvier]

It's not bad. I like Shiki for the same reason - it's not like most of the other stuff. I've been saying this the entire thread: it's hard for me, because every time I get attached to a character, they die.

Shiki doesn't follow standardized storytelling logic at all, so the compartment in my brain that's responsible for analyzing and remembering story lines is set up (a hero appears) and knocked down (a hero dies) in almost every episode. Needs a lot more brain power than "a hero appears - fights - wins - the end". It forces me to actually watch and think and makes me curious about every new episode. That's great!

I'm just complaining because it makes me work harder

I wonder ... if the hairstyles and animation overall were less outrageous and more realistic or if it was full of mainstream bishies and bishoujos - would the show have more of an emotional impact? Do you think you'd be more involved if everyone looked like they jumped out of Oreimo or ... let's say Ergo Proxy?

[newy]

Do you actually know what it is that is between your ears? YES, it's a brain. Try to use it. Why should Tatsumi continue chasing Natsuno in the open where everyone including the still living village people? A servant of the Kirishikis, outsider with whom the mysterious epidemic came. They are already suspicious enough. No need to add fuel to the fire.


Survival: Arrogant, aren't we, human? What makes humans superior to other animals that it is wrong for the Shiki to feed on them? Come down from your high horse, monkey.

Seishirou Kirishiki is a comic relief character among the Kirishikis as you haven't noticed at all.


You should learn to provide convincing arguments to your "theories" and stop the polemic bullshit.

let's say Ergo Proxy?

The atmosphere would probably be totally different. Oreimo, no thanks. Way too...uh... un-serious.

[dbml]

It's like trying to reason with a monkey, ain't it? I has banana! *monkey howls in delight*
Or perhaps a brick wall.

I personally find the art style to be the perfect fit for the series. I'm not sure how to explain it but... it's kind of like, edgy. It's dark and moody. Just because it's something different doesn't mean it's bad.

[Havoc10K]

I don't mind bad guys winning, but making an entire village a bunch of complete retards is the only way to that goal ?

I know the art work perfectly fits the show, the hairstyles and some characters are totally hideous, but I don't see how a village of complete retards is favoring the bad guys, there better be some really redeeming reason for this crap.

Do you actually know what it is that is between your ears? YES, it's a brain. Try to use it. Why should Tatsumi continue chasing Natsuno in the open where everyone including the still living village people? A servant of the Kirishikis, outsider which whom the mysterious epidemic came. They are already suspicious enough. No need to add fuel to the fire.

what in the open ? in a forest ? Natsuno ran through the trail in the forest when Tatsumi stopped chasing him, and since when did Tatsumi start being afraid of it all ?
you are providing nonsense arguments to defend the stupidity of this show, at least i try to follow logic, which this show doesn't do at all, baptism of modern rationalism ? does that mean stay ignorant to what you don't understand ? since when humanity didn't poke at the things they don't understand ? at worst we destroy what we don't understand, at best we get to understand it, I have no idea why you are defending this show so hard, but clearly I am not the only one that hates the logic in this show.

[cptjanvier]

Of course a change in the art style would change the show. Personally, I also think that the art style fits perfectly. It adds a lighthearted and somewhat bizarre element to what could have been an extremely (like, deadly) serious show (with Ergo Proxy art style) or a more mainstream show (Oreimo art style). It's a fascinating style, because it's so unreal, yet I find myself caring about the characters quite a lot.

Now that's an anime I'd love to see - same story, different art styles - see how the story changes according to art style.

[devout]

Whatever happened to just saying, "this anime just isn't for me" :X.


As for me, I don't have the qualms with Shiki that havoc does. Yeah there are some characters whose way of thinking and whose actions get on my nerves (mainly seishin, toshio sometimes, and some others), but whats new lol? Plot-holes, fortunately there aren't any... yet, can't really comment on plot-holes until the story finishes. My suspense of belief is still intact (unlike at times in Umineko where I just had to stop watching for a second and think... really............. ..)

At this point I'm just wondering what main character is gonna survive until the end... I sure as hell hope its not only seishin .