Inception

[GregD]

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The reason Don kept his top and didn't leave it alone every other time was because he was in a dream. He couldn't leave it there. Now that he's in the real world, there's no doubt the top will be there when he comes back to it.

[fohfoh]

There is a HUGE problem with the top though.

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In the earlier parts, it is explained that a totem should be unique to the individual to know whether or not you're in reality. The top is NOT his. It's his wife's original totem which she locked away when in the dream world. Thus, this totem should be void in the first place. Wasn't it also explained that for the wife, it was supposed to spin forever when in a dream?

Also, I don't fully recall, but how many times does the top actually fall? We see the top being swooped up a lot, but how many times does it actually fall. (Quite a few times it's just sitting somewhere, we don't see it fall)

Also, does anyone else realize that all the individuals we see with a totem, they're all connected to some type of "game"? There's quite a few individuals without a totem either.

[Xiong Chiamiov]

I'm not one for complicated plots or hard-to-understand movies so I'm wondering if I'll even get something out of watching this.

This is one of those movies where you generally need a few watches to figure out everything.

I got in my second watch today, and I feel like I'm doing pretty well at understanding what went on.  There are layers and layers of things you can interpret if you wish, though.

Also, I don't fully recall, but how many times does the top actually fall? We see the top being swooped up a lot, but how many times does it actually fall. (Quite a few times it's just sitting somewhere, we don't see it fall)

I can think of two off the top of my head:

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* right after Mal stabs Adriane (or however you spell her name)
* when Cobb's in the bathroom... I think that was after testing out the sedative from the Chemist?

[GregD]

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The reason Don kept his top and didn't leave it alone every other time was because he was in a dream. He couldn't leave it there. Now that he's in the real world, there's no doubt the top will be there when he comes back to it.

Sorry about this. I completely forgot to spoiler it. Thanks Xiong.

[sanguis]

I really really enjoyed this movie, just saw it last night, very very reminiscent of Dark City and the Matrix.

I only have one major flaw with the movie:

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Why oh why did they do the Inception on an Airplane? Some turbulence and the inner-ear-falling-reflex-thing would have kicked in and the whole thing would have been undone.

I also have a minor problem with the time-dilation thing; I'm more than willing to accept that dreams go faster than reality, no problems, but dreams in a dream going faster than a dream? and then dreams inside dreams inside dreams going faster still? I'm sorry but there is a limit to what the brain can process and it's not 300x reality.

As for the spinning top:

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I only remember it falling twice, but I can't remember when, there was also a part, fairly early, where we didn't see the top fall when we should have because the action moved a Di Caprio picked it up.

I was also under the impression that Di Caprio was only a few months at most on the run, that it was basically the one before the opening watanabe job that screwed him over. So the kids should be a little bigger, but it's still believable.

[GregD]

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Why oh why did they do the Inception on an Airplane? Some turbulence and the inner-ear-falling-reflex-thing would have kicked in and the whole thing would have been undone.

I also have a minor problem with the time-dilation thing; I'm more than willing to accept that dreams go faster than reality, no problems, but dreams in a dream going faster than a dream? and then dreams inside dreams inside dreams going faster still? I'm sorry but there is a limit to what the brain can process and it's not 300x reality.

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It was done on the airplane because that would be the only time Cobb and his group would have "alone time" with the guy. As for the turbulence, I can imagine it was a very calm day with low winds.

[xxbigtubs]

was a great movie, I believe you really have to pay attention or you will lose what is going on. how some people like to talk during a movie, or make fun of stuff going on. you can't in this movie or you may get lost.

[GregD]

I remember someone telling me how you shouldn't leave to go to the bathroom during the movie. Looking back, I can tell how missing even a couple of minutes you would miss out on something major.

[cyphir]

I thought it was a great film, definitely one worth going to the cinema for.
Although I do find myself agreeing with another poster here that it would have been better if they got rid of all the action scenes

If you guys enjoyed this film I highly recommend Memento by the same director. Brilliantly done, more realistic (I guess you could argue against that), and maybe its just me but I got more of a psychological mind-kick out of it.

[GregD]

Realism is not an important aspect for a movie like Inception.

[sanguis]

There is a HUGE problem with the top though.

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In the earlier parts, it is explained that a totem should be unique to the individual to know whether or not you're in reality. The top is NOT his. It's his wife's original totem which she locked away when in the dream world. Thus, this totem should be void in the first place. Wasn't it also explained that for the wife, it was supposed to spin forever when in a dream?

Also, I don't fully recall, but how many times does the top actually fall? We see the top being swooped up a lot, but how many times does it actually fall. (Quite a few times it's just sitting somewhere, we don't see it fall)

Also, does anyone else realize that all the individuals we see with a totem, they're all connected to some type of "game"? There's quite a few individuals without a totem either.

I got my second viewing today and kept in mind things about the totem; so for what it's worth I think that the totem is valid as the only other person who knows the totem is Mol and she's dead which could make it difficult for her to trick Cobb. However going through the film the second time I actually think it's his children's faces that are his true totem as he never sees their faces when he brings them into a dream and no-one but Caine's character would know what they look like.


We see the top tumble twice; we also don't see it tumble twice; first when Saito interrupts Cobb after Page's character jumps into his dream and the second time is at the very very end, but it wobbles where as the dream top keeps perfectly straight.


I think the three totems we see (the top, dice and chess piece) are game related as it's very easy to get a hold of a game piece no matter where in the world you are and they have the added bonus of being cheap. The other characters would have totems it's just that the audience doesn't get to see them as it doesn't add to the plot.

[Soulreaper77]

There is a HUGE problem with the top though.

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In the earlier parts, it is explained that a totem should be unique to the individual to know whether or not you're in reality. The top is NOT his. It's his wife's original totem which she locked away when in the dream world. Thus, this totem should be void in the first place. Wasn't it also explained that for the wife, it was supposed to spin forever when in a dream?

Also, I don't fully recall, but how many times does the top actually fall? We see the top being swooped up a lot, but how many times does it actually fall. (Quite a few times it's just sitting somewhere, we don't see it fall)

Also, does anyone else realize that all the individuals we see with a totem, they're all connected to some type of "game"? There's quite a few individuals without a totem either.

I got my second viewing today and kept in mind things about the totem; so for what it's worth I think that the totem is valid as the only other person who knows the totem is Mol and she's dead which could make it difficult for her to trick Cobb. However going through the film the second time I actually think it's his children's faces that are his true totem as he never sees their faces when he brings them into a dream and no-one but Caine's character would know what they look like.

Yeah, because Mal is already dead he is the only person alive that knows the exact weight distribution of the top so that makes it a totem.
Also about the children's faces,

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didn't he say that he forgot how they looked like because he was in limbo for 50 years without seeing them? Which would make the last scene reality because the top begins to tumble and he sees his children's faces.

[deathman]

That movie sucked ball......I mean michael cane in such a small role(compared to other movies) and also i am sick of fucking leonardo di caprio...i hate this babyface bastard he is like 30 now and he still has the same fucking face also i never liked any movie he played in .....

[sanguis]

then why did you go and see it?

[deathman]

then why did you go and see it?

Lets just say i didnt want to be the guy among frineds who would be like''naah i dont watch this shit i am going to watch fucking stalone or jet li'' and there were ''other'' reasons aswell among the ''friends''.......do i need more reasons for losing time of my life.....yeah but i tried to find some of them........