Seeding issue~~

[Freedom Kira]

i wouldn't recommend it. it's like going to a charity, eating at the buffet but donating nothing to the cause - aka being an asshole
There is a huge difference between "not forbidden" and "recommended" - don't make it sound like it's good practice.
if you don't want to deal with a ratio: download everything using the public torrent public, but don't pretend to be an upright seeder by seeding it with your private key afterwards - that's just pathetic in my eyes.

Haha, ok ok, not forbidden.

Can't deny that it's a good way to improve your ratio though. And it's helpful to the swarm...

[lmaonade]

It's just that i've downloaded a bunch of stuff w/o thinking last time. I'm already seeding the stuffs i have in my computer. However , the speed is too slow and i can't really catch up to a normal ratio. So i decided to download ( public ) ( bonus ) and WHICH BONUS IS SO SLOW... and seed them. Once i have my ratio to normal ( able to dl with my own key ) . I shall then do everything normally , dl and seed with key.

Well , i have no choice now .. ratio is now at 0.063

[dogsinafen]

Seeding takes time sometimes... Give it a few weeks.

[Freedom Kira]

It's just that i've downloaded a bunch of stuff w/o thinking last time. I'm already seeding the stuffs i have in my computer. However , the speed is too slow and i can't really catch up to a normal ratio. So i decided to download ( public ) ( bonus ) and WHICH BONUS IS SO SLOW... and seed them. Once i have my ratio to normal ( able to dl with my own key ) . I shall then do everything normally , dl and seed with key.

Well , i have no choice now .. ratio is now at 0.063

Bonus isn't for the immediate ratio, it's for the bonus points that you can exchange for upload credit (and thus ratio). Not sure if this is what you meant. Bonus torrents are marked as such because they typically have less than 5 seeders, so yeah it's gonna be slow.

[Animenook]

I had the same problem as you but I just left everything seeding and they eventually picked up, I am fine now, give it a couple days.

[LavaDragon]

i wouldn't recommend it. it's like going to a charity, eating at the buffet but donating nothing to the cause - aka being an asshole
There is a huge difference between "not forbidden" and "recommended" - don't make it sound like it's good practice.
if you don't want to deal with a ratio: download everything using the public torrent public, but don't pretend to be an upright seeder by seeding it with your private key afterwards - that's just pathetic in my eyes.

I would agree with you in most cases, but not all. My upload is only 256kbps and I have no money available until I can land a job for a seedbox so I am practically forced to use the public tracker if I ever want to actually download and watch shows without taking months. I do use my private key to seed once I am done and I try my best to hit at least a 1.0 ratio on the torrent so it's not like I hit and run.

[blubart]

i'm sorry but i don't see a case where this is not just a terrible excuse to inflate ones ego.
downloading with a public key is totally fine - i can absolutely understand if people that have slow connections or just slow upload speeds can not or do not want to deal with the ratio pressure. but why upload with the private key afterwards? it's not like you can use that upload buffer for anything because you are downloading your stuff off the record anyway.
if you want to give your best and seed back whatever you can with your limited connection: do it on the public key - that's working just as good from another leechers PoV.

the point is that you are actually doing a disservice to the community as a whole through this practice - by inflating the global-global (overall average) ratio - an indicator if our ratio requirements are well balanced. if both the registered seeder number and overall ratio increases everything is perfect - or at least should be if there isn't a huge blob of fake data in it.

anyway, that's pretty much offtopic.


edit: To Freedom Kira

Just as good for other leechers, but it also means private seeders seed less.

I didn't think of that point. I should probably note that. Are you saying that if people leech more, that's bad? I'm not 100% sure of what you mean. PM your reply if you want.

there is no difference between a private and a public seeder for the community in general, except for the private seeder to boost his ego while doing it.

no, i'm not saying that it's bad if people leech more. i'm saying that if people would be truthful with their stats, and this would result in a global average ratio drop or a global seeder number drop we could see that a lot of users struggle to meet the ratio goal so we would either modify the ratio requirements (for example lower the seed-back requirements further), change the way the ratio number is generated (2x upload / 1x upload for example - just to give you an idea) or think about a ratio-less system (still tracked only with different parameters qualifying a "good seeder").

All actions that would result in them not needing to download as a public user in the first place.

[Xiong Chiamiov]

Can't deny that [downloading using the public key is] a good way to improve your ratio though. And it's helpful to the swarm...

It's only helpful to the swarm if you wouldn't have downloaded otherwise.

[Freedom Kira]

if you want to give your best and seed back whatever you can with your limited connection: do it on the public key - that's working just as good from another leechers PoV.

the point is that you are actually doing a disservice to the community as a whole through this practice - by inflating the global-global (overall average) ratio - an indicator if our ratio requirements are well balanced. if both the registered seeder number and overall ratio increases everything is perfect - or at least should be if there isn't a huge blob of fake data in it.

Just as good for other leechers, but it also means private seeders seed less.

I didn't think of that point. I should probably note that. Are you saying that if people leech more, that's bad? I'm not 100% sure of what you mean. PM your reply if you want.

It's only helpful to the swarm if you wouldn't have downloaded otherwise.

Yeah. I dare say, though, that most of the time, if you are downloading off the public tracker, it's because you wouldn't download it otherwise because of the ratio hit. If not, you're just being greedy or competitive for ratio. Which I admit to being a bit, but not enough to leech everything off public.

[lmaonade]

Like i said.. i'm trying my best to seed. I have not turned off my pc for a week or so. Seeding for around 2 weeks ; from 0.035 to 0.075. That's just sad because there's no leechers.
And i understand why because most of the files are not recent , which means there are just seeders only. Leechers have either turned into seeders or ran away
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Btw , off topic. I noticed something . Is it true , that when i tried downloading a bonus torrent , and as when i started seeding , it became a non-bonus due to the increased number of seeds ?


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EDIT :  Getting ratio is not my ego problem. I just want to have a normal ratio so that i can be normal again ; meaning able to download with key.
Unless i create a new account .. which i think i don't want to , since i agreed to the T&C when i signed up.

[Xiong Chiamiov]

Is it true , that when i tried downloading a bonus torrent , and as when i started seeding , it became a non-bonus due to the increased number of seeds ?

It is entirely possible, yes.

[Freedom Kira]

That's not bad. I go up around there in two weeks, going 24/7. It helps to seed a ton of stuff, because the more stuff you're seeding, the higher the chance a random leecher comes along and grabs something you're seeding.

Not being recent isn't as big of a problem as the popularity of the torrent. Try going for mainstream stuff.

And yes, the more seeders a bonus torrent has, the less likely it will remain a bonus torrent. On a bonus torrent with zero leechers, it stays bonus when the number of seeders is less than 5, exclusive, I believe. But remember seeders come and go too, so it will likely go back and forth between bonus and non-bonus.