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Shadow of the Colossus & ICO [HD on PS3]
TMRNetShark:
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--- Quote from: logos on July 06, 2011, 08:33:48 AM ---inb4 tatsujin ragepost
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--- Quote from: Tatsujin on July 06, 2011, 09:03:26 AM ---~snip~ tatusjin's almost immediate ragepost
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I dunno if you actually bothered to read what you posted, but you posted sales for ICO "270,000 in the United States" which is lol pathetic sales wise
nice site to compare sales
if you look at that link you'll notice shadow of the colossus @1mil which is much better than ICO but is still pretty shitty.
Now shadow of the colossus is/was a much bigger hit and received some real awards, but ICO is obscure as hell, got a couple indie awards in obscure categories and some really good reviews, but thats it.
Neither game was received well at launch and neither game is well known even today except by rpg fans and jrpg fanboys, as such you could never consider them "major hits".
good reviews != major hit status
inb4 tatsujin ragerant
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Just because you thought they weren't great games... doesn't mean that people that mattered thought they were great games. Lets look at what some of the paragraphs said...
--- Quote ---Several game designers, such as Eiji Aonuma, Hideo Kojima, and Jordan Mechner, have cited Ico as having influenced the visual appearance of their games, including The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, and Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time, respectively.[16] Marc Laidlaw, scriptwriter for the Half-Life series, commented that, among several other more memorable moments in the game, the point where Yorda attempts to save Ico from falling off the damaged bridge was "a significant event not only for that game, but for the art of game design".[52] Movie director Guillermo del Toro (Pan's Labyrinth) has cited both Ico and Shadow of the Colossus as "masterpieces" and part of his directorial influence.[53] Jonny Greenwood of Radiohead considers, of his top ten video games, "Ico might be the best one".[54]
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Because of ICO, we had developers saying that ICO's art design was so good it influenced how those three great games got their art styles. Marc Laidlaw (someone who obviously wrote the Half Life series) said that that scene was so significant that developers sound definitely take a bit of advice from ICO when making your own game design.
BTW, SotC didn't just recieve "some real rewards" you twit. Let's read again....
--- Quote ---...while it won "Best Adventure Game" and "Best Artistic Design" in IGN's Best of 2005 awards,[84][85][86] who cited Agro as the best sidekick in the history of video games.[87] Two years after its release IGN listed Shadow as the fourth greatest PlayStation 2 game of all time,[88] which they later changed to best overall PS2 game during the platform's 10th anniversary on October 29, 2010. Games Radar awarded it Best Game Of The Year 2006 (being released in the UK in early 2006, later than the US),[89] while the game's ending was selected as the fourth greatest moment in gaming by the editors of GamePro in July 2006.[90] The readers of PlayStation Official Magazine voted it the 8th greatest PlayStation title ever released.[91] Destructoid named the game #1 in their list of the top 50 video games of the decade.[92] During IGN's 2010 Game of the Decade, Shadow of the Colossus was chosen for best game of 2005 and second game of the decade, behind Half-Life 2.
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There are a lot of "Of all time" awards in there, right? So CoD, Halo, Gears of War, Final Fantasy, and all those other "great selling games" might be big hits... but don't you ever compare art to a mere video game again. Then again, you'll just think your right, claim that you are right and neither game was good/recieved well, and we'll start all over again.
I'll save you the trouble. What other games in history does what ICO and SotC does? Can't think of many? They are both adventure/puzzle games... yet nothing seems similar. That's because they are pieces of art and not video games. They are more of cinematic experiences that you control and it immerses you into the universe. Obviously it's not for everyone, but if you were a true gamer... you would know that those two games are important to the history of video games (if you think otherwise, have fun being an idiot).
Now proceed to point and laugh "Hahahahahhahahahaha hah!" I'm just kidding. But seriously... if you've never played the game, I suggest getting the collection pack. Best $40 you will ever spend.
Sosseres:
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on July 06, 2011, 05:49:24 AM ---Back when the game was released. ICO (in its time) and SotC (in its time) were major hits. Don't compare old hits to modern games, unless you state your own opinion from that time.
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They are making a HD pack to sell. That HD pack is directly comparable to modern games since they are competing for the same sales. When they came out they looked great. They still look pretty good, mostly from nice art direction and not from how water and similar things look.
logos:
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on July 06, 2011, 10:38:45 AM ---There's nothing to rage about, logos. You simply want to show off in which you utterly fail at it. Did you read what I just said at the very bottom? No, you didn't. And I did read what I posted. But you, on the other hand, didn't. Posting to someone like you who lacks common sense to read and comprehend is becoming more and more a waste of my time.
They were major hits, not in sales figure, but in reception. Go back and ready. Okay?
If you wanna get cocky with me I have no problem getting cocky with you. I like mashing kids with "lol inb4 ragerant" -- fucking nerd.
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you know, once you start with the persona insults its like admitting that I'm right, at least TMR attempted some reason instead of just throwing insults
Anyways, my whole point was that neither game was a major hit, I'm not saying that either game is bad, I've played them both and really enjoyed them. But that doesnt make a game well known, and the fact stands that neither game is well known, ICO especially. And the whole reason I referred to sales is because sales is a direct indicator of popularity and notoriety, again, a game cannot be considered a 'major hit' when lacking fame. As previously stated, ICO has 270,000 sales in the US, they didnt have any mass marketing, so its unlikely that many people that havent played have even heard about it. At best ICO can be considered a cult classic.
So continue to tell me that I'm a stupid twit and throw facts that dont have anything to do with my argument at me and feel superior because your fanboy mindset doesnt allow anyone to talk poorly about your beloved games
Tatsujin:
--- Quote from: logos on July 07, 2011, 12:04:29 AM ---
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on July 06, 2011, 10:38:45 AM ---There's nothing to rage about, logos. You simply want to show off in which you utterly fail at it. Did you read what I just said at the very bottom? No, you didn't. And I did read what I posted. But you, on the other hand, didn't. Posting to someone like you who lacks common sense to read and comprehend is becoming more and more a waste of my time.
They were major hits, not in sales figure, but in reception. Go back and ready. Okay?
If you wanna get cocky with me I have no problem getting cocky with you. I like mashing kids with "lol inb4 ragerant" -- fucking nerd.
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you know, once you start with the persona insults its like admitting that I'm right, at least TMR attempted some reason instead of just throwing insults
Anyways, my whole point was that neither game was a major hit, I'm not saying that either game is bad, I've played them both and really enjoyed them. But that doesnt make a game well known, and the fact stands that neither game is well known, ICO especially. And the whole reason I referred to sales is because sales is a direct indicator of popularity and notoriety, again, a game cannot be considered a 'major hit' when lacking fame. As previously stated, ICO has 270,000 sales in the US, they didnt have any mass marketing, so its unlikely that many people that havent played have even heard about it. At best ICO can be considered a cult classic.
So continue to tell me that I'm a stupid twit and throw facts that dont have anything to do with my argument at me and feel superior because your fanboy mindset doesnt allow anyone to talk poorly about your beloved games
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When you write something like "inb4 Tatsujin ragerant" then you're acting pretty immature and being cocky, not once but twice then I won't have a problem being cocky as well. Your point about sales is already registered. Everything else is thrown out the window. Go back and read the big fold of scripts I posted and get it through your head. Okay? End of discussion.
Back on topic please.
logos:
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on July 07, 2011, 12:46:39 AM ---When you write something like "inb4 Tatsujin ragerant" then you're acting pretty immature and being cocky, not once but twice then I won't have a problem being cocky as well.
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"“Inb4” is used when a poster replies before the most likely event or another users posts some specific content or phrase. This is done to avoid said content or provoke lulz at someone who actually posts it afterwards."
that is all
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