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Offline Havoc10K

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3140 on: January 29, 2012, 12:52:22 PM »
Wasn't that already official? Either way, what I was saying in that post was: "People against ACTA, including Havoc10K, piss me off."
Putting aside me, what is pissing you off about people against ACTA ?

Choose your wording carefully.

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3141 on: January 29, 2012, 01:02:18 PM »
what is pissing you off about people against ACTA ?
Not a fan of piracy anymore. It's bad and illegal.
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3142 on: January 29, 2012, 01:17:35 PM »
When you're moshing to punk rock or dubstep, there's always pricks how just stand about and push you in the back as hard as they can. It's about letting off steam by jumping into each other and not just being violent.

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3143 on: January 29, 2012, 01:23:39 PM »
That moment when I point out something. and i have to invoke "meanwhile, in japan" just to get the point across.
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3144 on: January 29, 2012, 01:28:40 PM »
what is pissing you off about people against ACTA ?
troll tro troll tro trolol trolololol. Troll troll troll. U mad?
Yea. I understand that some people can feel this way. I respect your opinion even though I disagree with it.
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3145 on: January 29, 2012, 01:35:27 PM »
Bouncers  :-X :police: >:(

Offline Havoc10K

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3146 on: January 29, 2012, 01:53:37 PM »
what is pissing you off about people against ACTA ?
Not a fan of piracy anymore. It's bad and illegal.

I am going to pretend that you know what you did there.

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3147 on: January 29, 2012, 02:22:10 PM »
I am going to pretend that you know what you did there.
Don't know what you're getting at but I think it's clear that this is my message: I used to pirate without feeling anything earlier. Now, after reflecting on it from various viewpoints, especially the developers' and the laws', seems too wrong. Although, I guess you misinterpreted as you always do.
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3148 on: January 29, 2012, 02:35:56 PM »
I doubt any developer is in loss just because of any piracy, but sure they may be earning less than they would. But well not all software's (oh movies and stuff are still affordable though, blu-ray is another thing for now) are cheap to say the least.
   In any case if I had only two choice I rather developer's suffer than have someone looking at every stuff I browse though. It's already enough that many are already doing it illegally, I don't want a law that permits them to do that for whatever bloody reason it may be. 

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3149 on: January 29, 2012, 02:47:39 PM »
I doubt any developer is in loss just because of any piracy, but sure they may be earning less than they would. But well not all software's (oh movies and stuff are still affordable though, blu-ray is another thing for now) are cheap to say the least.may be.
The expensive softwares must have required a lot of effort. They would obviously want (and deserve) the money. ::)
Parts of it I admired greatly, parts I laughed at till my sides were almost sore;
other parts I read with absolute sorrow,  because I think them utterly false and grievously mischievous...
Many of your wide conclusions are  based upon assumptions...
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3150 on: January 29, 2012, 02:50:24 PM »
I doubt any developer is in loss just because of any piracy, but sure they may be earning less than they would. But well not all software's (oh movies and stuff are still affordable though, blu-ray is another thing for now) are cheap to say the least.may be.
The expensive softwares must have required a lot of effort. They would obviously want (and deserve) the money. ::)

Taking about Photoshop, Windows perhaps? Go take a look at their yearly profits. It's in billions. I doubt piracy is even effecting them. IRC Microsoft announced a $13 billion profit this year. I think that's enough for them.
   However if they were ready to offer their products for a much cheaper price I would buy them of course, but well, they aren't.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2012, 02:52:26 PM by Mistgun_Zero »

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3151 on: January 29, 2012, 03:00:28 PM »
I doubt any developer is in loss just because of any piracy, but sure they may be earning less than they would. But well not all software's (oh movies and stuff are still affordable though, blu-ray is another thing for now) are cheap to say the least.may be.
The expensive softwares must have required a lot of effort. They would obviously want (and deserve) the money. ::)
You show some promise and someone actually gave you a serious answer already. On the other hand the execution was rather crude and your topic of choice leaves you highly vulnerable to fact-based attacks. 4.5/10

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3152 on: January 29, 2012, 03:07:54 PM »
I'm pretty sure that piracy does make a dent, but it's all in costs and it's expected to happen.

Piracy was there even without internet, it simply enhanced piracy level to a much higher one, the ones that make the biggest fuss about it are likely the ones that probably make the least money, or are insignificant enough to actually suffer from it. There are hundreds of programming studios and companies that make hundreds of software.

The best software companies don't even make much effort to protect their products, they use some cheap and easy to exploit key and activation services, but in reality it's just for show because they want to focus on improving further their work instead of worry about security. In majority of companies there are organized teams that work on security measures to protect the software and then when the product is complete the developers try to implement protection. Everyone knows that the harder it is, the more likely it is to be bypassed, so they simply make it appear smart and hard, crackers will still get through anyways.

People that fight against ACTA are not promoting piracy and if you actually gave a fuck to read the treaty you would know why we're fighting and what we are fighting for.


What's so pissing off about ACTA the most is that no government made an effort to actually study it before signing or consulting it with anyone who knows how to make an email at least about it.

Well, lets see who's smiling on the elections day.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2012, 03:11:07 PM by Havoc10K »

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3153 on: January 29, 2012, 03:09:27 PM »
People defending corporations, patents, and saying piracy is theft when its at most FREE publicity. The music industry and film industry for example are making more money than ever how is that possible if piracy is hurting them so much? It isn't.

And don't even start with anime, its corporations greed and unwillingness to adopt to a new era when a music album might not be worth $20-$30 as it used to just a few years ago. And selling anime in episode format when every single buyer wants hole seasons or complete series, at the same price as you get a complete season or the entire series of an run of the mill Tv-series.

What consumer piracy inspires is consumption we as a society consumes more media than ever before if we would have to pay for it all ironically the whole media industry would ground to a halt. It's a symbiosis and no I'm not talking about counterfeiting ie handbags and other shit that some one is making money off I'm talking about personal use.

There's a big difference.

People that fight against ACTA are not promoting piracy and if you actually gave a fuck to read the treaty you would know why we're fighting and what we are fighting for.

What's so pissing off about ACTA the most is that no government made an effort to actually study it before signing or consulting it with anyone who knows how to make an email at least about it.

Well, lets see who's smiling on the elections day.

Exactly!
« Last Edit: January 29, 2012, 03:16:25 PM by chem.x »

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3154 on: January 29, 2012, 04:00:21 PM »
^ i don't really give a d4mn, i can still download what i want openly around the net, but if they make it so i can't then screw them all and hit the red button encased in glass with a skull imprinted on it!
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3155 on: January 29, 2012, 04:15:24 PM »
People that fight against ACTA are not promoting piracy and if you actually gave a fuck to read the treaty you would know why we're fighting and what we are fighting for.
Oh, but you see, I don't have as much free time as you to waste by reading a BS article to find out more on something that doesn't take anything away from me. ::) Even then, I doubt anything about ACTA will be bad for me.

Well, lets see who's smiling on the elections day.
I hope I am, and you aren't.
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3156 on: January 29, 2012, 05:19:48 PM »
The expensive softwares must have required a lot of effort. They would obviously want (and deserve) the money. ::)
I don't give a damn about their so called copyright which is actually the "right" to stop everyone from sharing something part of popular culture. If you don't want people to share what you create, don't create it or keep it for yourself. Once others have access to it, it's no longer your personal thing and if they are members of the public, now it's part of popular culture and the only form of special treatment I think you deserve is recognition that you contributed it. Sorry pal, it's no longer your. People will continue to create things wither they the law permit them to be a tyrant about it or not. Therefore, copyright is useless and harmful and is should die.
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3157 on: January 29, 2012, 05:27:27 PM »
Parts of it I admired greatly, parts I laughed at till my sides were almost sore;
other parts I read with absolute sorrow,  because I think them utterly false and grievously mischievous...
Many of your wide conclusions are  based upon assumptions...
A. Sedgwick, Darwin's buddy...

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3158 on: January 29, 2012, 05:48:18 PM »
I wouldn't say copyright is fundamentally harmful, as such - in theory it is very beneficial; but in its current form, it certainly does do more harm than good. If there was no copyright protecting creators' right to profit from their creations, then it would have a massive impact; it would see the end of film, music, games, etc as a business - think about it, if they can't easily make money directly from their creations, most anime studios would go out of business pretty sharpish, for example. So we do need some form of copyright to ensure companies are still willing to invest money in creating media.

However, it needs to be restrained, reasonable, and proportionate. A 15 to 20-year copyright term allowing you to control distribution of your work, and make money off it, is reasonable, provided the punishments for infringing that right are equally reasonable, and the work goes into the public domain as soon as the term ends. A 100-year long copyright term, which can be extended basically indefinitely if you have enough money, and with ridiculously over the top punishments for infringement, as we have now, is most definitely not reasonable.

Anyway, we should discuss this in another thread. Back on topic!

What's pissing me off right now are EA, Origin, and DRM in general. I've spent the last 3 hours trying to figure out how to get it to let me play my copy of Mass Effect 2, and it took ages just to get EA to recognise that I do in fact own the game, let alone make it run. I've had to resort to redownloading it all through Origin now, which will hopefully work. It would have been easier to just download a pirate copy ¬¬

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3159 on: January 29, 2012, 05:54:04 PM »
copyright is harmful
How?

I recommend these two books for starters. Read them, understand them, then come back and ask questions. If you can't be arsed to read a few hundred pages to get a better understanding of the topic at hand, please shut up. I chose two introductory works, so even if you have no idea about economics and individual liberties you should be able to understand the texts.

http://www.dklevine.com/papers/imbookfinalall.pdf

and

http://www.uow.edu.au/~bmartin/pubs/98il/ilall.pdf
chapter three is pertinent to this discussions and only 27 pages long. Reading the whole book is, however, not at all a waste of time, quite the opposite in fact.


Now, can everyone please stop responding to that mediocre attempt at trolling? It's getting annoying.