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Offline SirSkyRider

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3980 on: March 11, 2012, 07:59:40 AM »
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3981 on: March 11, 2012, 08:00:31 AM »
I quite enjoyed Animal Farm actually, same with 1984.

It wasn't really that clever, it is quite blatant. Not really THIS WAY IS GOOD but more of an everything is awful approach.

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3982 on: March 11, 2012, 08:03:32 AM »
I didn't enjoy Watership Down either. Different reasons, but that doesn't matter.

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3983 on: March 11, 2012, 08:36:26 AM »
I quite enjoyed Animal Farm actually, same with 1984.

It wasn't really that clever, it is quite blatant. Not really THIS WAY IS GOOD but more of an everything is awful approach.

Clever doesn't mean subtle, per say, inventive and well-thought out applies here. He made his arguments, and I wanted to listen to them because the stories themselves enriched them.

Doing a modern fable on Stalinist philosophy and the salient issues of exploitation and control in society that the 6th grader me could understand and appreciate was remarkable. 1984 was a cautionary dystopian novel, rather than a genuine denouncements of humanity and the future like I've been reading from others. I don't think it's so much he's critical of all things, just extremes of power and ideology.

In either case, the bluntness of his argument didn't hurt his writing.

Writers who forget that that their writers first and see themselves as political or religious commentators who happen to use fiction as a medium is probably more my issue.
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3984 on: March 11, 2012, 08:39:09 AM »
Quote from: Nikkoru
Writers who forget that that their writers first and see themselves as political or religious commentators who happen to use fiction as a medium is probably more my issue.

That's a valid point...

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3985 on: March 11, 2012, 08:47:57 AM »
And here I thought you were a semi-fan of DFC :)

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3986 on: March 11, 2012, 08:55:12 AM »
Wtf is DFC?

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« Reply #3987 on: March 11, 2012, 09:36:50 AM »
DFC = Delicious Flat Chest

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3988 on: March 11, 2012, 01:00:44 PM »
Science Fiction or Fantasy literature with a political agenda that beats you over the head with it, and adds a kick to the groin for good measure.

Even if I agree with the message I'm being cudgelled with, when it completely overshadows the narrative to the point that I want to beat my head against a wall, then the message itself is discredited as being extreme.

Ayn Rand and Terry Goodkind come to mind immediately, but I've been reading some 70's and 60's new wave SF that make me horribly misanthropic, depressed, and just generally disenchanted with ideologies in general.

Yah, Terry Goodkind is the first person I think of when I see the words 'fantasy' and 'political' in the same sentence.  The Faith of the Fallen and Pillars of Creation sealed it for me.  I hated those books so much that I dropped SoT after that.
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3989 on: March 11, 2012, 01:20:09 PM »
@Nikkoru The worst part is that sometime the bad guys are the smart one.
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3990 on: March 11, 2012, 03:23:19 PM »
@Nikkoru The worst part is that sometime the bad guys are the smart one.
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3991 on: March 11, 2012, 03:27:42 PM »
@Nikkoru The worst part is that sometime the bad guys are the smart one.
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3992 on: March 11, 2012, 04:57:39 PM »
Science Fiction or Fantasy literature with a political agenda that beats you over the head with it, and adds a kick to the groin for good measure.

Even if I agree with the message I'm being cudgelled with, when it completely overshadows the narrative to the point that I want to beat my head against a wall, then the message itself is discredited as being extreme.

Ayn Rand and Terry Goodkind come to mind immediately, but I've been reading some 70's and 60's new wave SF that make me horribly misanthropic, depressed, and just generally disenchanted with ideologies in general.

Yah, Terry Goodkind is the first person I think of when I see the words 'fantasy' and 'political' in the same sentence.  The Faith of the Fallen and Pillars of Creation sealed it for me.  I hated those books so much that I dropped SoT after that.

Unfortunately I had essays to write, so I read the whole series up to ninth one with highlighter in hand. As I did with Tolkien, Moorcock, and Le Guin. The political aspect of it, and the unrealistic lionization of the main character to the point of Nietzschean-like moral supremacy, actually became kind of funny. In a sort of ironic style you get with particularly badly written B-movies, especially with a strong subtext of masculinity, paternalism, or patriotism.

Actually, what got my proverbial goat was his abuse of the fantasy genera. Every book, every aspect of it, just cries out in hatred of magic and magical forces. It's a tool of violence, oppression, self-destruction, and distasteful outcomes. I don't know why that bothered me, but it was like crushing Tinkerbell underfoot just for the sake of stripping the world of joy. This is particularly plain considering how much the protagonists openly loathe the expansive power they have.

Perhaps I was overly critical of that, because it was the subject of my essay.

@Nikkoru The worst part is that sometime the bad guys are the smart one.

Yes, this encapsulates my annoyance. I hadn't thought to put it in terms of a logical fallacy, to me it's more of an issue of literary criticism. Still, value/moral dissonance is precisely the argument I'd use on C.S. Lewis' works and other heavy-handed psuedo-religious fantasy texts.   

I' don't think I've seen a more extensive use of a strawman argument than Goodkind's Faith of the Fallen. One of the characters has flashbacks to her life under the uber-depressing socialist state that's the major antagonizing force to the freedom-loving independent kingdoms in the novel. This character willingly accepts being molested by street people as a child, for the sake of Goodkind's impression of what socialists believe. After all her body doesn't belong to her, and if it gives the wretches of the world happiness then that's what she had to do, lest she be selfish. Besides, your life doesn't have any value..

Actually, there is a lot of rape or suggestions of rape in his novels. One could read into that quite a lot if they were so inclined. I personally find sexual abuse in literature or other mediums to be repugnant when there isn't any real significance to it beyond twisted titillation or to represent someone as being super-duper-mega bad.
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3993 on: March 11, 2012, 06:50:20 PM »
People that use "lite" as a euphemism for demo.

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3994 on: March 12, 2012, 12:43:36 AM »
Still, value/moral dissonance is precisely the argument I'd use on C.S. Lewis' works and other heavy-handed psuedo-religious fantasy texts.
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3995 on: March 12, 2012, 02:24:04 AM »
Daylight savings time..

so pointless... nothing but a pain in the ass.

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3996 on: March 12, 2012, 03:32:08 AM »
When hentai scanlation groups only release magazine one-shots and doujinshi when there are literally thousands of awesome tankoubons (with RAW scans easily available!) waiting to be translated.

Oh and it really irks me when groups bother translating stuff that is over-the-top censored (lightsaber, mosaic etc.). Tadanohito is easily the worst offender of this. 
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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3997 on: March 12, 2012, 03:55:55 AM »
When hentai scanlation groups only release magazine one-shots and doujinshi when there are literally thousands of awesome tankoubons (with RAW scans easily available!) waiting to be translated.

Oh and it really irks me when groups bother translating stuff that is over-the-top censored (lightsaber, mosaic etc.). Tadanohito is easily the worst offender of this.
But a lot of those tanks are really vanilla  :(

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Re: Things that piss you off!
« Reply #3998 on: March 12, 2012, 05:08:21 AM »
Daylight savings time..

so pointless... nothing but a pain in the ass.

This.

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« Reply #3999 on: March 12, 2012, 05:55:36 AM »
But a lot of those tanks are really vanilla  :(

Nothing wrong with a little vanilla in your diet. lol - I think it's a mixed bag when it comes to the available tanks floating out there. I've seen both vanilla and dark.
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