Please read the scenario below and vote. Suspension?

[apriuschan]

So I was suspended for ten days, because I 'Instigated a fight', and was acting 'Excessively violent to a fellow student.'.

In other words, if you witness a freshman girl being shoved into the lockers, (In an aggressive manner)
and interrupt the male student who is shoving said female, if you're hit,you have instigated a fight.

But wait! America's got more for ya! All three of you are suspended for ten days.And to top it off, the other male student (Because his mother decided to threaten the school) Only gets five days of suspension.

And I know it wasn't my place, but I'm not really going to just walk past that. Mind that it might be a little confusing, as I'm not in the best mood, and am typing quickly.Naturally I fought the Male Student when he hit me, so I know I should have been suspended for breaking the rules, but what about the girl? Let alone us being suspended longer than Male Student.

[Takeshi]

I don't get why the girl got suspended..

You were right in doing so either way.

Then again, I wasn't there.

A similar incident happened in Denmark a few weeks ago.

A male stops another male from hitting a girl, the male gets upset and walks away only to get some of his friends and go all-out on the other guy half an hour later. I haven't heard if they got caught, but man I get pissed when I hear shit like that.

[tomoya-kun]

So I was suspended for ten days, because I 'Instigated a fight', and was acting 'Excessively violent to a fellow student.'.

In other words, if you witness a freshman girl being shoved into the lockers, (In an aggressive manner)
and interrupt the male student who is shoving said female, if you're hit,you have instigated a fight.

But wait! America's got more for ya! All three of you are suspended for ten days.And to top it off, the other male student (Because his mother decided to threaten the school) Only gets five days of suspension.

And I know it wasn't my place, but I'm not really going to just walk past that. Mind that it might be a little confusing, as I'm not in the best mood, and am typing quickly.Naturally I fought the Male Student when he hit me, so I know I should have been suspended for breaking the rules, but what about the girl? Let alone us being suspended longer than Male Student.

Did you at least get the girls name and number?

[Ixarku]

A lot of schools in the U.S. have long had a no-tolerance policy towards fighting.  And no-tolerance means, it doesn't matter what the reason is for your involvement, or what happened or why; it means, if you were involved in a fight in some capacity, you get suspended.  It's definitely not fair, but the schools are not interested in "fair".  It's a BS policy intended to remove any possibility of liability or responsibility from the schools.  It's an unfortunate consequence of how parent-school relationships have evolved over the last few decades, what with people suing school boards for all sorts of reasons, some frivolous, some not.

The positive thing to remember is that a suspension from school is highly unlikely to have any significant long-term impact on your life beyond school itself.  I suppose in theory a suspension or repeated suspensions could negatively impact your chances of getting into your college of choice, but I've never heard of it happening, and no potential employer gives a damn as long as you don't have a criminal record.  Obviously expulsion would have a bigger impact.

[datora]

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I'm not gonna vote because I'm only getting your story.  However, if your version is, indeed, the Absolute Reality of an unbiased observer's experience of events ,,, yah.  It sucks.  Yah, you did right, and yah, you're paying the price for it.

As far as the girl ... it sounds like she's getting it raw.  But, you also don't know the entire story from hours or days before.  Just saying, keep an open mind that what you observed could well be the culmination of a lot more.

Future reference, if you've got (or friends or anybody nearby) your mobile phone, hit > video > RECORD.  You can always help in a situation like that by helping to incite positive reaction in the group around you ... and you don't physically touch.  You want to really Do The Right Thing?

Stand between her & her attacker with your hands "in" (near) your pockets and let the other guy beat on you.  Don't feed his aggression.


The school admin (rightly or wrongly) has a policy of anyone involved gets the same treatment.  The teachers & admin will never know exactly what happened, they only know what others have told them.

The guy gets five days because his mommy threw a temper tantrum ..?  Fine.  Make sure the ENTIRE school knows that his mommy has to wipe his bottom for him.  Make sure word goes out to the entire school that this asshole needs his mommy to finish the fights he loses.

Make a complaint to the School Board (at the District level, not your principal) that punishment was handed down unevenly (don't use the word "unfair").  The administration of your specific school has shown favoritism.  Show up at the next two or three public school board meetings and state your opinion verbally and on the public record.  Submit a written, detailed complaint requesting investigation.

Make sure to pointedly ask the School Board for all records, including and especially video surveillance, so that your legal adviser(s) may review them.


Just so you know, I was attacked by two thugs on a school bus one day.  They were upset that I was sitting in their seat.  All three of us were banned from the public bus system for the remainder of the year, even with a dozen witnesses backing up the fact that I was sitting in a seat minding my own business when I was attacked by two older boys.

Life sucks rocks some days.  Welcome to ameriKKKa where criminals and thugs get away with fucking up innocent lives.

[DLTE]

Your fault for entering said scenario without knowing the situation. What if that girl had done something that deserves that treatment?

The school admin (rightly or wrongly) has a policy of anyone involved gets the same treatment.

Don't get involved then. Problem solved. Keep your head down, get your cert from school and GTFO not saving locker-bound females

[Yohan7]

Your fault for entering said scenario without knowing the situation. What if that girl had done something that deserves that treatment?

The school admin (rightly or wrongly) has a policy of anyone involved gets the same treatment.

Don't get involved then. Problem solved. Keep your head down, get your cert from school and GTFO not saving locker-bound females

I think what the school wants you to do, is to run away like a little girl and try to get a teacher involved. 

But I would have probably done the same thing you did. 

[tomoya-kun]

Your fault for entering said scenario without knowing the situation. What if that girl had done something that deserves that treatment?

The school admin (rightly or wrongly) has a policy of anyone involved gets the same treatment.

Don't get involved then. Problem solved. Keep your head down, get your cert from school and GTFO not saving locker-bound females

Saving a girl like that is amazing, something straight out of an anime or something.

1.  Get her number and stuff
2.  Go out
3. 
4. Make babies.

Of course I go to private school so i've never experienced anything like that sadly,

[Proin Drakenzol]

1) You really shouldn't get involved in shit like that.
2) How do you know the chick wasn't in the wrong (like she attacked him first)?
3) Why the fuck didn't you get her number?

[flyawave]

1) You really shouldn't get involved in shit like that.
2) How do you know the chick wasn't in the wrong (like she attacked him first)?
3) Why the fuck didn't you get her number?

1) Well you should, someone has to...right?
2)Even if the female did something first, locker shoving is a definite no no.
3) Lol, but I don't think that's the point

Of course I go to private school so i've never experienced anything like that sadly,

*GASP* ME TOO!
going to a single sex school means that If I were to do that, I'd get into a fight with a gay

[xfreidax]

Even if what you did was right OP, from the schools point of view I don't think they have a choice but to suspend you if the whole incident ended in a fist fight. They obviously don't want students going vigilante. 

Proper thing to do would've been to alert the teaching staff or security people and let them deal with it.

[vuzedome]

You guys, yeah, but the girl?
And to think these are the kind of people in charge of educating the future generation.
I always settle things like this outside the school, and not wearing the uniform, if you have one.

[Ixarku]

Stand between her & her attacker with your hands "in" (near) your pockets and let the other guy beat on you.

This, of course, still would have resulted in a suspension for all involved parties.  If you're going to intervene in someone else's situation, I say, take his ass down.  As far as the school is concerned, the consequences for the guy intervening will be the same regardless.

[xfreidax]

You guys, yeah, but the girl?
And to think these are the kind of people in charge of educating the future generation.
I always settle things like this outside the school, and not wearing the uniform, if you have one.

We don't know the full story obviously. Maybe the chick started it?

[mgz]

Stand between her & her attacker with your hands "in" (near) your pockets and let the other guy beat on you.

This, of course, still would have resulted in a suspension for all involved parties.  If you're going to intervene in someone else's situation, I say, take his ass down.  As far as the school is concerned, the consequences for the guy intervening will be the same regardless.

however if this scenario occurs thats when lawsuits happen when the kid who stood there and took a beating gets 10 days out.

Yea its been policy in most school for the past decade or so for a no tolerance policy. Everyone involved who didnt go and get a teacher or admin gets 10 days unless their parents complain.

And realistically fighting outside of school, some schools like the high school i went too will suspend students for fighting outside of school. Since they kinda assume in small towns in nice areas you didnt get mugged and werent fighting random other people its not an anime where you went down the street to fight another high school. There is 2 kids beat up in classes and they say its not their parents beating them.

[Takeshi]

In Psychology school I heard that some girls have said they're pregnant to their boyfriends so they wouldn't leave them. Just one of the many situations where a bitch-slap would be in order. Shoving a girl into a locker seems rather unfit for such a situation though.

[JoonasTo]

Wasn't really your business but as that wasn't the question I voted no.
Hard to say without further knowledge but it sure sounds like the girl should have had less punishment.

[sapiens]

1) You really shouldn't get involved in shit like that.
2) How do you know the chick wasn't in the wrong (like she attacked him first)?
3) Why the fuck didn't you get her number?

LOL. It's obvious who is well out of college in this thread.

High-school posters: yeah, kick his ass, be a hero anime-style.
Older dudes: the girl, the girl, the girl!


As for the OP's experience, I wouldn't really care about the scene. If anything, I would just stare at the couple, see if he truly bitchslaps her or just in case anything else exciting happens. Seriously, when you stare at people, most of the time they feel they are being observed and stop.

This reminds me when I was riding a bus to uni, two skinny middle-schoolers (one of them had a girlfriend) started to punch each other, just right next to me. I didn't move a muscle, other people just started yelling "Gonna call the police!", "Lock 'em up, that'll teach 'em!", and stuff.

Meh, I just don't care about things that happen to other people anymore.

[Scudworth]

If what you say is true then you did the right thing and the schools decision is bullshit.
To keep their "no tolerance" policy in tact you needed to be punished, but should have revived like a 2 day token suspension. (less than the bully for sure)

As for the girl. She might have started something but shoving her in a locker is cowardly and not the right way to handle it, no matter what she did.

If everything you said is true and the girl will be a witness you might be able to make a case out if it. If you were hit first then all you did was self defense. A successful assault charge on the perpetrator might make the school rethink the decision. But it would probably be thrown out.

The real problem is the other guys parents. I can only imagine how they are raising him when they come to his defense after something like this. If it was my kid he would have the full suspension and an ass whooping to go along with it.
 

[tomoya-kun]

If you felt that you followed the correct course of action, it doesn't matter if you get suspended.  It's better to do whats right then to be a bystander.  If your parents are reasonable, they will understand that you were doing what's right