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Incest
donald1:
why should we care anyway. if a brother and sister have a baby together for whatever reason, so what... it's not like it directly effects you. and people are gonna do whatever they want regardless. driving while drunk is illegal, but people do it everyday. yur not supposed to shoot someone in the face with a shotgun, but guess what, it still happens. i say let them have sex, a baby, a loving relationship, or whatever -- there are far more important/dangerous things to worry about on a daily basis.
x5ga:
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--- Quote from: Xenoran on October 26, 2010, 03:41:45 PM ---understood.
Sooooooo back on topic ........ incest is wrong
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...No it isn't :P unless you're making babies, in which case it's 33-50% wrong.
Who are we to stand in the way of true love, or something :P
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When that "true love" has a strong or high chance or probability of damaging to the gene pool that is responsible for our species, it is indeed up to "We" to stand in the way of that. I mean if they truly want to be together I have no problem with that, but if you want to change the laws in most modern, civilized societies or cultures then any couple that is closely blood related should be sterilized so as to not propagate the species with genetic malfunctions!
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I totally agree with you, and there is a significant chance that their incest-born baby will be born without any malformations/deformities/genetic disorders. So, they could abort it if it's a "fail-fetus" or something, but be allowed to keep it if it's OK. The only problem here is that you can't screen for every possible genetic disorder before birth (yet), and for some, not even after (unless you know what you are looking for and have tons of money to do so).
Also, it's their kid, even if it's a genetic monster. They can do whatever they want with it, but let's say without any support from the government (as a penalty).
harpy:
--- Quote from: donald1 on October 26, 2010, 05:22:57 PM ---why should we care anyway. if a brother and sister have a baby together for whatever reason, so what... it's not like it directly effects you. and people are gonna do whatever they want regardless. driving while drunk is illegal, but people do it everyday. yur not supposed to shoot someone in the face with a shotgun, but guess what, it still happens. i say let them have sex, a baby, a loving relationship, or whatever -- there are far more important/dangerous things to worry about on a daily basis.
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not quite true
that will increase of creepy/sick/wrong and so on babies in the future, we already have enough of that.
I bet babies like that started to born because inbreeding was not strictly forbidden, in fact in some cultures it was stimulated (like Egypt, I am talking about ancient times), but at least they did get rid of these kind of kids back then (not only in Egypt), they even had a nice tradition not to think of child as human before it was given name and they could just throw them away, now we have to take care of all these creeps and unfit humans. I know that now and always it was not the only reason why such babies was born, but it is a factor and always will be. Just imagine - there was few humans in the beginning and now there is just way to much. Humans are parasite and we with out "humane" laws produce not only standard healty idiots but also sick idiots.
And please do not misunderstand me, I have nothing special against genetic mutants/sick people, I equally hate all humans and think that those with some kind of sickness should not reproduce (mental sicknesses included) or even better - humans should just stop reproducing and die out.
I have nothing against incest, there is nothing wrong with it unless they make babies, but then again I am against making babies as such :D But incest producer babies just have a higher risk of producing a human being that does not fully coincide within the term human.
Xenoran:
--- Quote from: donald1 on October 26, 2010, 05:22:57 PM ---why should we care anyway. if a brother and sister have a baby together for whatever reason, so what... it's not like it directly effects you. and people are gonna do whatever they want regardless. driving while drunk is illegal, but people do it everyday. yur not supposed to shoot someone in the face with a shotgun, but guess what, it still happens. i say let them have sex, a baby, a loving relationship, or whatever -- there are far more important/dangerous things to worry about on a daily basis.
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people drive drunk yes ... but if you made it legal guess how many more people would. yes its illegal to kill people ... but if it wasnt guess how many more murders would take place every day ..... laws are always broken by the few but if there were not there the masses would then join and that ends in chaos. Telling people they can do what they want whenever they want without conciquence is simple wrong. the same needs to apply to incest the risk it plays over time outweighs this "love" you think these people have. I can guarantee you that if you split that couple up they would find another mate in time
CodeMonkey:
--- Quote from: x5ga on October 26, 2010, 05:24:07 PM ---I totally agree with you, and there is a significant chance that their incest-born baby will be born without any malformations/deformities/genetic disorders.
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Yeah, but the chance is just as significant, if not even more so that it WILL have genetic defects. Depending on the study, the averages are between 33%-73%, but the accepted average usually falls around 50/50. The problem is though, that only refers to the first generation of offspring. By the third generation's offspring that average is almost always a sure 100% genetic defect in the offspring, where the only differences in averages are how lethal or sever the defects are.
Well it doesn't really matter anyway, because in most modern, civilized places it IS very illegal, just like drunk driving or shooting someone in the face with a gauge. That will never change. It's not only considered morally and/or social wrong, but medicine and science both are on the side of the advocates against incest.
Sure love is a wonderful thing and it kinda bothers the soul to interfere with it, but I can pretty easily quite my soul, when I think that my ENTIRE damn species is at stake, in the long run. It seems that some people are only thinking about the immediate future or first born, but if it was allowed or made legal, it wouldn't stop with just the first generation, which kinda has a gathering snowball or domino effect.
Pure, simple and this was learned centuries or more ago (mostly by farmers and/or animal breeders) as well as very proven today with studies along with modern research, that inbreeding IS bad, being a direct path to the extinction of the breed or species. Sure it won't happen in the beginning, but it is proven fact that if a species is allowed to breed incestuously, unchecked, eventually the gene pool becomes so damaged that it can no longer maintain or support its species. FUCK love, I'd rather be sure that the future generations of my bloodline have a healthy society to live in. (YES "healthy society" is a VERY relative and mostly inapplicable term :P, but I am only referring to incest not being allowed and staying that way in society.)
Even "wild" animals don't inbreed or avoid inbreeding unless they are in closed captivity or in some type of isolated environment, that alone should be kind of a big hint. ::) ;) LOL!
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